4-0, Clean Sheet but has anyone seen Cesc?

Glitch33 · Post by **Glitch33** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:32 pm

The stats only cover what a player does with the ball.

It doesn't tell what he did when he didn't have the ball.

SteveO 35 · Post by **SteveO 35** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:41 pm

[quote="StokeyGooner"]Did Cesc not play in the confederations cup, and consequently miss the start of our pre-season?

I am a bit concerned about his start to the season but he is possibly still playing himself back into match fitness.

Agree with what somebody in an earlier post said about Diaby though. How many more poor standard performances is he going to put in before he is replaced by Ramsey for instance?[/quote]

Good grief - did some people actually go the game yesterday. Amazing that a thread about another average Fabregas performance brings out half a dozen responses from the "Cesc, Arshavin and Walcott can-do-no-wrong brigade", and the "Vela, Wilshere and Ramsey should play every game because they looked good in the Beer Cup" brigade.

Where the fuck were you lot when Diaby turned the game the other night with a piece of strength, pace and creation that the rest of our midfield combined could only dream of, and when he scored 2 against Pompey. He's started off better than most this season - there's going to be a few regrets around here when he gets a run of 10 to 15 games in a row under his belt in the centre of midfield

BTW - Ramsey has been amazingly ordinary in every game he's played, the crowning moment being against his former club last season when he did everything in his power to gift them the game down there. Not going to jump on his back, but just proving a point. If you think Ramsey is head and shoulders above Diaby......well.

Jumpers For Goalposts · Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:34 am

Am I the only Gooner that thinks Cesc's body language looks just like Thierry's in his last season??

Cesc looks as if his mind is elsewhere - Las Ramblas perhaps. . . . . . . . . .

If he does pack his bags and head for Spain he will add his name to a long and distinguished list

Anelka
Overmars
Petit
Pires
Henry
Hleb
Baptista (ooooops)

Why the f**k do we never unsettle or buy THEIR best players??

ramon · Post by **ramon** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:40 am

come on now even if he does go to Barca now what the heck is he going to do for that team which isn't already happening?

i mean he maybe back to his childhood club but do Barca really want to upset the status quo? And However good Fab is, I think he would struggle to get into the Barcelona side at the moment. In my opinion Barca have the best midfield partnership in the world. Of course Barca are the cream of Spain and Europe but I don't think Fabregas would be happy getting splinters in his arse from the bench.

there would be all the idiotic hoo ha in the media as always if/when he does leave but for how long will that last?

At Arsenal he is loved by Gooners and will be forever. He is the lynchpin at Arsenal, numero uno, and pretty much has the side built around him. At Barca he would be just one of the boys.

Post by **flash gunner** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:48 am

OK as Hadareud wrote earlier he isnt playing terrible but he is far from his usual high standards and that is the problem.

I think its a combination of not having a DM next to him, he hasnt played well since Flamini (a proper DM) left also i think he has had his head turned by Barca and as a Barca fan as a boy and Barca being Europes top club who could blame him? I think on top form he stands as good a chance as anyone else of getting into the Barca 1st team

augie · Post by **augie** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:51 am

Steve O ramsey is 18 years old and has not even had half a chance to being a player for this team. Diaby is 23 years old and has over 100 appearances for Arsenal

Are you honestly saying that this guy is good enough to play for any team expecting to challenge for honours ?

It is amazing that in over 100 appearances for the club you cite one pass v liege and 1 game against the worst team in the league this season as a reason to believe in the guy and yet you slate ramsey (28 appearances with only 10 of them as a starter) over 1 game last season

Fact is diaby isnt now and never will be good enough and lacks the intelligence to play at the very top level (whether we can be classed at that level now is another matter) - his ball control, awareness and tackling are nowhere near good enough and yet for some reason (maybe cos he is french ?) wenger is sticking with him instead of trying players like ramsey who have yet to show if they are going to cut the mustard or not. One thing is for sure we are never going to know unless we play them and we will never win fcuk all if diaby is a regular in our team

hadareud · Post by **hadareud** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:03 am

strange thing then that Mourinho wanted him at Chelsea and this summer at Inter.

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:10 am

Cesc has been below par and his body language didn't help matters in the closing stage.

I (hope to) believe this is all injury related.
Remember how he missed the Celtic & Man U games due injury. Well he was a doubt for Man U anyway but he mentions in the Sat match programme that he felt a 'twinge' in the Friday training and was pulled out.

He then went on to play for Spain in the week after and later in the week. Days before Man Citeh.
In the Man Citeh game well as saw the tackle from the Crunt which left Cesc with several stiches. I doubt they'd have healed in a week and probably has some discomfot.
So come the 70th minutes when a strong takle comes in his hurt. Which now doesn't suprise me, as the stiches could have opened up. But he played on and had the balls not to moan or cry off!

I think he needs a rest, not through fitness but his legs are taking a pounding from tackles and playing so quick after injury.

RNTGOONER · Post by **RNTGOONER** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 1:30 pm

augie i dont rate diaby for any of the reasons you mention, i rate him because he nearly killed john terry

Post by **DB10GOONER** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 1:47 pm

hadareud wrote:
littlefire wrote:Hadareud, have you got the stats on Song today?
41 passes
36 successful (87 %)
4 interceptions
19 tackles (14 successful)

brilliant tackling performance.

Meaningless stats. (AGAIN!

) As are the stats on Cesc.

ONE LAST TIME; One cannot qualify a players performance with quantative stats. No offense Hadareud but I'm so sick of this stats shit!!

Stats are so open to subjective fudging and interpretation that they are useless when trying to quantify something like football performance. What is the constant? What is the variable? Define a tackle? 41 passes? To where? Over what distance? How many were assists for goals or even put another player into a key position? How many were just 5 or 6 yard passes to the side or rear?

Song was above average on Saturday, but still managed to give the ball away under no real pressure and put the team on the defensive on a couple of occasions. He has deffo improved from last season but he still would not get in any of the other "Big 4's" teams and is not a good enough DM to help drive a team to the title.

Cesc was poor by his highest standards and has been for months. His body language is that of a player not happy. No stat can tell you that - looking at his body language and interaction with his team mates can.

Personally, I think he looks demotivated and pissed off. He is looking at the likes of Eboue, Diaby, Denilson and Song and thinking "Why do I have to play with such poor and (at best) barely average players?" I don't blame him. It's a short career and the chances to win honours can be few.

If we don't win the PL or the CL this season then he is gone next summer. Guaranteed.

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 1:51 pm

Can't blame him.
Most of our team are good squad players. Which is the point!
We're playing a first team filled with Squad players and not world beaters!

Post by **DB10GOONER** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 1:54 pm

Boomer wrote:Can't blame him.
Most of our team are good squad players. Which is the point!
We're playing a first team filled with Squad players and not world beaters!

A very good point. If Song and Denilson were the back up to a couple of real quality midfielders I'd have no problem with them - but they are being asked to perform regularly at a level they are no where near good enough for. The buck stops at Arsene's door.

franksav63 · Post by **franksav63** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:05 pm

DB10GOONER wrote:
hadareud wrote:
littlefire wrote:Hadareud, have you got the stats on Song today?
41 passes
36 successful (87 %)
4 interceptions
19 tackles (14 successful)

brilliant tackling performance.
Meaningless stats. (AGAIN! ) As are the stats on Cesc.

ONE LAST TIME; One cannot qualify a players performance with quantative stats. No offense Hadareud but I'm so sick of this stats shit!!

DB10 is so open to subjective fudging and interpretation that they are useless when trying to quantify something like football performance. What is the constant? What is the variable? Define a tackle? 41 passes? To where? Over what distance? How many were assists for goals or even put another player into a key position? How many were just 5 or 6 yard passes to the side or rear?

Song was above average on Saturday, but still managed to give the ball away under no real pressure and put the team on the defensive on a couple of occasions. He has deffo improved from last season but he still would not get in any of the other "Big 4's" teams and is not a good enough DM to help drive a team to the title.

Cesc was poor by his highest standards and has been for months. His body language is that of a player not happy. No stat can tell you that - looking at his body language and interaction with his team mates can.

Personally, I think he looks demotivated and pissed off. He is looking at the likes of Eboue, Diaby, Denilson and Song and thinking "Why do I have to play with such poor and (at best) barely average players?" I don't blame him. It's a short career and the chances to win honours can be few.

If we don't win the PL or the CL this season then he is gone next summer. Guaranteed.

Really....

I thought you were a lezza?

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:07 pm

DB10GOONER wrote:
Boomer wrote:Can't blame him.
Most of our team are good squad players. Which is the point!
We're playing a first team filled with Squad players and not world beaters!
A very good point. If Song and Denilson were the back up to a couple of real quality midfielders I'd have no problem with them - but they are being asked to perform regularly at a level they are no where near good enough for. The buck stops at Arsene's door.

For example the other big teams probably have the same quality.
Take 2 good squad players from Man U
then 2 others from the Chavs
another the Mousers
add a dash from Citeh.....
The combination added with 3 'proper' first players = Arsenal FC.

hadareud · Post by **hadareud** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:10 pm

is it really necessary to complain about stats every single bloody time DB10?

somebody asked me to post them, I did. We know you don't care for statistics, we don't need to hear it every time you see some. Ignore them if you hate them so much.