TeeCee wrote:Economics is one of Arsenes strengths.......tactics and man management are not.
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Retarded, moi??
It's not retarded to wonder if AW's ideas will not work in an Abramovich dominated era. It is not retarded to wonder how we let our good experienced players go and replace them with very inexperienced players with a fragile psyche that crumbles in the presence of decent physical opposition. It is not retarded to wonder how the manager cannot see that some players are just not good enough to play for The Arsenal.Vlad III wrote:Amazing loyalty folks! Do you not remember Bruce Rioch? or even GG's later days?
Yes we all want to win the title and the champions league, but it's not our divine right. Arsene Wenger has made this club what it is today and without him I dread to think where we would be. He has done an amazing job with limited resources and any other team in the country would jump if they had the chance to get him. It makes me ashamed to be a gooner when people come out with shit like "lets get david moyes" Seriously, are you retarded? Everton are doing wonderful at the moment aren't they? He will need a new trophy cabinet soon with all the sucess he's having.
All I can say is: Be careful what you wish for!
Everton are doing poorly with an injury list that would make AW weep.I wonder how we would fare if Bendtner,RvP,Fabregas,Gallas,Clichy and Arshavin were all injured at exactly the same time. That's what Everton and Moyes have had for 2 seasons and still he gets on.
If you think it's retarded to watch a team show no heart or fight and get angry because it is the least you expect from them, then good luck to you.
It isn't disloyal to the club to think if AW has given us great service but it's time to start thinking what was previously unthinkable.....A new start.
It doesn't have to be with a new manager but if he can't see what everybody else can see from a mile off then it's time to part ways amicably.
No one expects to win the league and champions league every year, just to compete after the leaves have fallen off the trees.
You talk like he is the only world class manager in the world. He is now the highest paid in the league, why should I not expect him to organise a team that can FUCKING DEFEND SET PIECES
It is retarded to say you would rather David Moyes than Arsene Wenger. Simple as that. Ask any Everton fan who they'd rather. Do you think Cesc is gonna hang around if the saviour Moyes comes in? How about RVP or Arshavin? would they fuck! Do you think they are going to play attractive football under super Dave? hmmm... not me. But you want him because "he gets on" when he has injuries? WOW! Where do I sign?
Vlad III wrote:It is retarded to say you would rather David Moyes than Arsene Wenger. Simple as that. Ask any Everton fan who they'd rather. Do you think Cesc is gonna hang around if the saviour Moyes comes in? How about RVP or Arshavin? would they fuck! Do you think they are going to play attractive football under super Dave? hmmm... not me. But you want him because "he gets on" when he has injuries? WOW! Where do I sign?
Let me ask you vlad, do you think cesc, rvp et al would prefer to play the beautiful football you refer to or actually win some trophies ? If you think that it is the former then you are seriously deluded my friend
Great players want to win and it is often that drive that sets them apart from other players. Wenger, and the board, have and are continuing to take the piss out of our best players by expecting them to be satisfied with being also rans in every fcuking season 
Some fans seem to forget that we had a glorious period of success under GG a few years back but his last few years were not a pretty sight. I would suggest that it is a similar situation to the one we now find ourselves in and sometimes a new broom to sweep clean is excatly what a club needs
The point is, that the grass is not always greener. People forget very quickly the success this club has had in recent years and now demand change. Well good luck to them. Maybe getting rid of Wenger, Cesc, Arshavin and all will bring the trophies you all think will come flooding in without them. In my opinion, thats not going to happen. How many other managers are going to keep us competing at the level we are? Spending no money and selling their best players year after year? More to the point how many other so called world class managers are going to want to do that?
As for the players wanting to win trophies, of course they do, but I also think they appreciate Wenger's philosophy and truly enjoy playing for the club. Cesc will probably leave soon, just like many have in the past, but he'd leave a darn sight sooner with David Moyes in charge!
As for the players wanting to win trophies, of course they do, but I also think they appreciate Wenger's philosophy and truly enjoy playing for the club. Cesc will probably leave soon, just like many have in the past, but he'd leave a darn sight sooner with David Moyes in charge!
The problem with wenger is that we became very dependant of his coaching and mentality. He instored his own personal philosophy in the club, and has some kind of mentor figure amongst the youngsters. If he leaves, not only will we most definitly lose some of our key players that came in just for him, but the whole transfer activity will bring big differences in the changing room.
Last night I had a dream, I had a dream that Wenger would stay and that he would finaly admit changing tactics is the right decision....
And I mean hell! If Arsenes philosophy is to outscore teams with small, quick technical players, then just have the guts to put 40 mil on a guy like Villa! I know it is over 100% sure we will never get a guy of his caliber anyway... How we let The bargain Shay given slip through our hands that I can still not understand. How come we haven't bought a replacement for Almunia yet, this I don't know either.
Wenger is a great manager but he has flaws and being so stubborn he doesn't admit them. He would just need a good kick up his arse by anyone on this planet that could have the slightest influence on the guy.
I don't know maybe convince his wife to tell him "Honey! I'm gonna divorce if you don't buy one real quality striker, one good DM, and a feckin goalie for f*ck sake!"
Last night I had a dream, I had a dream that Wenger would stay and that he would finaly admit changing tactics is the right decision....
And I mean hell! If Arsenes philosophy is to outscore teams with small, quick technical players, then just have the guts to put 40 mil on a guy like Villa! I know it is over 100% sure we will never get a guy of his caliber anyway... How we let The bargain Shay given slip through our hands that I can still not understand. How come we haven't bought a replacement for Almunia yet, this I don't know either.
Wenger is a great manager but he has flaws and being so stubborn he doesn't admit them. He would just need a good kick up his arse by anyone on this planet that could have the slightest influence on the guy.
I don't know maybe convince his wife to tell him "Honey! I'm gonna divorce if you don't buy one real quality striker, one good DM, and a feckin goalie for f*ck sake!"
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Re: Retarded, moi??
Excellent post, topgoon. I love Wenger but I'm quickly coming to the end of my tether with him. He seems as incapable of accepting the great youth experiment has failed as he is incapable of teaching his players a real Plan B for when the tippy tappy beautiful passing game will not break down a team of 11 defenders.topgoon wrote:It's not retarded to wonder if AW's ideas will not work in an Abramovich dominated era. It is not retarded to wonder how we let our good experienced players go and replace them with very inexperienced players with a fragile psyche that crumbles in the presence of decent physical opposition. It is not retarded to wonder how the manager cannot see that some players are just not good enough to play for The Arsenal.Vlad III wrote:Amazing loyalty folks! Do you not remember Bruce Rioch? or even GG's later days?
Yes we all want to win the title and the champions league, but it's not our divine right. Arsene Wenger has made this club what it is today and without him I dread to think where we would be. He has done an amazing job with limited resources and any other team in the country would jump if they had the chance to get him. It makes me ashamed to be a gooner when people come out with shit like "lets get david moyes" Seriously, are you retarded? Everton are doing wonderful at the moment aren't they? He will need a new trophy cabinet soon with all the sucess he's having.
All I can say is: Be careful what you wish for!
Everton are doing poorly with an injury list that would make AW weep.I wonder how we would fare if Bendtner,RvP,Fabregas,Gallas,Clichy and Arshavin were all injured at exactly the same time. That's what Everton and Moyes have had for 2 seasons and still he gets on.
If you think it's retarded to watch a team show no heart or fight and get angry because it is the least you expect from them, then good luck to you.
It isn't disloyal to the club to think if AW has given us great service but it's time to start thinking what was previously unthinkable.....A new start.
It doesn't have to be with a new manager but if he can't see what everybody else can see from a mile off then it's time to part ways amicably.
No one expects to win the league and champions league every year, just to compete after the leaves have fallen off the trees.
You talk like he is the only world class manager in the world. He is now the highest paid in the league, why should I not expect him to organise a team that can FUCKING DEFEND SET PIECES
Some people seem to equate being an Arsenal fan with being an Arsene fan. The club comes first. End of. Wenger is just one of a long line of managers that have worked for our club. He will leave some day and someone else will manage us. That is a fact. Yes he has had some great years but equally some abysmal ones too. 5 years (possibly/probably 6) without a league trophy is not good enough for a club of our stature, particularly when the problems preventing us from winning that trophy are so obvious that even fans in the street and retarded mongo tabloid journalists can see them!
I have said for the last 3 seasons I'd give Wenger until May 2010 to produce something. I stand by that. But if next May we haven't won anything and he is still persisting with poor players like Diaby, Eboue, Bendtner, Tweety, Denilson and (too a slightly lesser extent) Song then I will at that time join the chorus of "Arsene out". It will make me sad to do it but The Arsenal come first for me, not the manager.
Cheers DB, Vlad the topgoon impaler III seems to think I enjoy saying this. It's just borne out of frustration.
We all love AW and I'd defend him over the wankers in the press anyday but the indefensible leaves me cold.
How can a team need to be 3 or 4 goals up at home or away before the fans can relax ?, How many corners do we concede goals from in identical fashion every week for the past 5 years now...how is that progress?
Vlad III, I noticed you only focused on the Moyes suggestion and completely ignored the Mourinho one...deep down inside, I think you probably agree with me.
We all love AW and I'd defend him over the wankers in the press anyday but the indefensible leaves me cold.
How can a team need to be 3 or 4 goals up at home or away before the fans can relax ?, How many corners do we concede goals from in identical fashion every week for the past 5 years now...how is that progress?
Vlad III, I noticed you only focused on the Moyes suggestion and completely ignored the Mourinho one...deep down inside, I think you probably agree with me.
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On the corners issue (indeed all set pieces - we are shit at taking and defending all types of set piece) I get the impression that Wenger does not practice them with the players in training. I think he finds the idea of a goal scored like that just doesn't sit well with his ideal of the perfect tippy tappy 100 pass goal. It's like it's beneath him or something...topgoon wrote:Cheers DB, Vlad the topgoon impaler III seems to think I enjoy saying this. It's just borne out of frustration.
We all love AW and I'd defend him over the wankers in the press anyday but the indefensible leaves me cold.
How can a team need to be 3 or 4 goals up at home or away before the fans can relax ?, How many corners do we concede goals from in identical fashion every week for the past 5 years now...how is that progress?
Vlad III, I noticed you only focused on the Moyes suggestion and completely ignored the Mourinho one...deep down inside, I think you probably agree with me.
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Yep, thats actually what I said yesterday. If you consider the state of affairs for our non-existance of a front line now, then maybe just maybe we will buy in January.Magic Hat wrote:I'll wait till end of season before making such a choice
If not, then I would consider quietly moving Lord Wenger upstairs. Towhom we go for well.......
I focused on the Moyes suggestion as it was so utterly ridiculous!topgoon wrote:Cheers DB, Vlad the topgoon impaler III seems to think I enjoy saying this. It's just borne out of frustration.
We all love AW and I'd defend him over the wankers in the press anyday but the indefensible leaves me cold.
How can a team need to be 3 or 4 goals up at home or away before the fans can relax ?, How many corners do we concede goals from in identical fashion every week for the past 5 years now...how is that progress?
Vlad III, I noticed you only focused on the Moyes suggestion and completely ignored the Mourinho one...deep down inside, I think you probably agree with me.
