Why have Arsenal always been tight

[brazilianGOONER]

If and its a big IF Kronke/Usmanov buys us out and spends and with a couple of years we win the Championship and European cups etc i wonder if all you morally high supporters will be celebrating?

surely, yeah!!!! and that while being extremely concerned about our future.

it's like fucking a gorgeous woman with a beautiful ass that you just met without condom. it's wonderfully great. but then when you think about it later, you shit in your pants

edit: and it is also like paying for sex: you are fucking a great woman, but that's only because you had the cash... it's cheating... you know you wouldn't be there by other means

Yeah but not everyone that has sex without a condom catches aids or other STD's!! And Scats a fact!!!(not, I hasten to add, that I'm advocating that people shouldn't be protected when having sex with a stranger!!).

yeah, but you wouldn't risk your life/football club by trying it, would ya???

[I Hate Hleb]

Depends how great the woman/arse is!!!

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

Because in 10-20 years we will exist and Man Utd, Chelsea and Liverpool won't.

Cant believe manure or mousers will ever go bust, they are such a massive worldwide brand that someone (prob arabs) will always be queuing up to buy/finance them

[BT]

Seems to me that our club are doing things that are good for our long-term future.

Winning (or purchasing) silverware is not the only way a club is measured.

We have won fuck all for a few years. But we have come very close to it. And we have played football which is admired the world over.

We have a sound financial strategy in place. One of the best managers in the world (being human, he does make a few mistakes). A new stadium. And about £300million of managable debt.

Man Utd - working up towards a £billion debt. Likely to sell Old Trafford and then lease it back. No more fat chequebook for players/wages. Ferguson losing the plot completely.

Chelsea - even the mega-rich Russian is curtailing their previously ridiculous spending. And the backbone of the team is getting a little old.

Liverpool - same level of debt as us. But no new stadium. And a manager who they can't even afford to sack. Likely to miss champions league next season.

Man City - early days. But Arab investment not yet paying off. Interesting that Dubai has overextended itself with the stupid mega hotel complex. Has not met the massive loan repayments for it. There will be reprocussions. And they don't own their own stadium.

West Ham - £100million in debt. £40million of which is owed to other football clubs. Now taken over by genuine (British) West Ham supporters. They are looking for extra investment from elsewhere. And the Icelandic bank still owns half. Hoping to move to the new stadium built for the Olympics. They will be paying rent forevermore. If it comes off.

Pompey - unpaid debts to the taxman/vatman. Winding-up order upheld in court today. They are fucked. Poor bastards.

As a Gooner, would I want to swap places with any of the above clubs?

Nope.[/b]

Olgit - Man City are owned by Saudi's not Dubai and they are sitting on most of the world's oil. Their stadium is owned by Manchester Council but does that make it worse than ours? For one, its got a better name. What Man City haven't done yet is perhaps choose the best manager, have purchased players past their peak and too many egos but they aren't going to be losing money for a long time, if ever. They have plenty of time to practice getting it right.

The thing with Arsenal, as ever, is there is a middle ground. No one is asking us to spank millions on the likes of Robinho but we could have competed for the likes of Given at 6 million without breaking the bank. Or we could have had Alonso for 16 million and arguably reaped the rewards last season. There's no guarantee Kroenke won't do what the Glazers did. Likewise, small investment now = trophies = merchandise sales, ticket sales, tv revenue, attracting and not losing the best players = more money and more trophies...

[donaldo]

So we pay the highest ticket prices in the world to have class do we? That explains everything.Thank you Mr Hill-wood

[Step]

Because we try (and always will) to do things the right way.

We believe in long trerm stability rather than risking all financially for a chance of immediate success.

When we win something its through hard work, skillful football and careful structured management and the trophies mean so much more as a result.

The media just don't get it and we never get the credit we deserve when we do win a trophy (even an undefeated league season).

Ferguson the best ever premiership manager.... don't make me laugh.
Give Fergusmoan Wengers budget for the last 10 years and see how many trphies the great Fergie would have won.

United are wobbling a bit now and the main reason why is that funds are tight (comparatively speaking).

Arsenal remain a cut above the rest.

[Magic Hat]

If and its a big IF Kronke/Usmanov buys us out and spends and with a couple of years we win the Championship and European cups etc i wonder if all you morally high supporters will be celebrating? Surely youll be off forming FC Arsenal like those united fans did

I would love the club and yes I would be enjoying the titles but I would be very worried about our future. I believe keeping within your budget and trying to be debt free is the best course for the long term

[augie]

How the fcuk is buying a few players classed as buying the league or cheating ?? The original question was why are we so tight when it comes to spending a few bob to buy some players and some of ye have equated that bleeding the club, mortgaging the clubs future and threatening its very existence, suggested that it would cheapen any success we then enjoyed and lastly, and this is my personal favourite, it would mean that we as a club would be cheating Maybe we should give vermaelen back to ajax ? Or maybe send cesc back to barca ? You couldnt make shit like this up really We want the club to buy a few quality players not the worlds who is who in football Most of us feel that when you charge the highest ticket prices in the country and you rake it over 40m from shitty in the summer then it is not unreasonable to expect that the very least we would spend bringing in replacement players would be the 40m so enough of this bullshit about expecting the club to spend money is cheating

[Exiled-Gooner]

I do love it when someone posts about how tight we are or we should spend as then come the replies of we end like manure debt problem or we doing it the right way so there is a Arsenal in the future.

Augie is right with both of his posts,we not asking wenger to piss 2/300 million on players but around 30-50mil of which 40mil is transfer received so basically the club would be adding 10mil and this would be on 2-4 players who would not only help win the title but possibly continuous titles.
Even the C/L trophy and in doing so recoup that 10mil and generate extra funds because we WON silverware.

I believe our reserves are not ready to step up yet maybe a couple of yrs time but these additions(if there came)would help develop the reserves,so adding to the squad does 2 things.I don't except the argument that purchasing a couple of players would put us in the debt category of manure,chavski and laughapool that's ridiculous,the board or wenger wouldn't let that happen for a start.

It's hard to take that after spending to create teams that won us 3titles and 4 FA cups that the sudden reversal of policy has seen us go trophy less for 5 seasons and now with the flash of the cash we could win it this season.Like i said before we not asking for 100s of million but how long are fans willing to wait to see if wengers dream brings rewards???

[Magic Hat]

Augie, at what point did we say buying players within the budget was a bad thing? The players you listed were in the budget, I merely disagree with any idea of going beyond said budget and going into (further) debt for that "one extra player"

I doubt Wenger and the board just decided on Jan the 1st not to buy anybody. I doubt the same with City, Spurs and Chelsea but none have signed somebody that a) wasn't a freebie or 2) a youngster for the future. Two of those clubs have unlimited money and City certainly could use cash to strengthen their defence, I doubt it is parsimony that is stopping them.

There is a finite amount of talent good enough for top four in the EPL, then limited by can they adapt to the league? Then do they fit into the team? If the answer for "random player" are probably yes, we still have to persuade the other club to sell them and the person to come to the club. Oh and then there are fun little issues like work permits which can destroy a deal. Remember the trouble we had with the dm's we tried to get two summers ago? It wasn't like we didn't try to get dm's that year but for various reasons, we didn't manage to get one

Remember when we talk about a big 15-20+ buy, that the wages come out budget as well so factor those in.

[lowerwest]

Wenger coming out with the old returning players are like new signings. Really pathetic it will all flounder on a whole heap of promises again and we all know it. Those 4 games end of Jan/Feb will sort us out like 2 years ago. And Wenger will have to find a new excuse....weather,fixture pile up,refs,African Nations...take yer pick.

[LDB]

So we pay the highest ticket prices in the world to have class do we? That explains everything.Thank you Mr Hill-wood

No you pay your ticket prices to watch the best football in Europe in a state of the art stadium, challenging for the title most seasons, never failing to qualify for the champs league or get past the group stages.

Im sorry, this isnt a your-a-bad-fan argument but if you seriously think there is so much wrong with AFC then vote with your wallet.

From experience I know that such negative attitudes are almost always born out of a love of the club but it really is getting to the point where some people on here are defying reality just to be negative.

Rant over

[brazilianGOONER]

So we pay the highest ticket prices in the world to have class do we? That explains everything.Thank you Mr Hill-wood

No you pay your ticket prices to watch the best football in Europe in a state of the art stadium, challenging for the title most seasons, never failing to qualify for the champs league or get past the group stages.

Im sorry, this isnt a your-a-bad-fan argument but if you seriously think there is so much wrong with AFC then vote with your wallet.

From experience I know that such negative attitudes are almost always born out of a love of the club but it really is getting to the point where some people on here are defying reality just to be negative.

Rant over

there there.

this thread smells terrible, i must say

[LDB]

So we pay the highest ticket prices in the world to have class do we? That explains everything.Thank you Mr Hill-wood

No you pay your ticket prices to watch the best football in Europe in a state of the art stadium, challenging for the title most seasons, never failing to qualify for the champs league or get past the group stages.

Im sorry, this isnt a your-a-bad-fan argument but if you seriously think there is so much wrong with AFC then vote with your wallet.

From experience I know that such negative attitudes are almost always born out of a love of the club but it really is getting to the point where some people on here are defying reality just to be negative.

Rant over

there there.

this thread smells terrible, i must say

I mean seriously, my pompey dupporting mates whine less

[brazilianGOONER]

So we pay the highest ticket prices in the world to have class do we? That explains everything.Thank you Mr Hill-wood

No you pay your ticket prices to watch the best football in Europe in a state of the art stadium, challenging for the title most seasons, never failing to qualify for the champs league or get past the group stages.

Im sorry, this isnt a your-a-bad-fan argument but if you seriously think there is so much wrong with AFC then vote with your wallet.

From experience I know that such negative attitudes are almost always born out of a love of the club but it really is getting to the point where some people on here are defying reality just to be negative.

Rant over

there there.

this thread smells terrible, i must say

I mean seriously, my pompey dupporting mates whine less

almost 600 posts in here and only now you figured that out?

this place has pessimism all over it. and still, it is funny as hell

look at the bright side, when we win something, there will be so many celebrations that we may all end up in an alcoholic coma