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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:13 pm
by donaldo
Rocky Number Seven wrote:USM I really wonder how long you have supported this club for? Groundhog day would be going from 71-79 without a trophy, or for some who still support this club 53-71. Thats 18 years in the wilderness. We support this club because we love it through the good times and the bad. Because of the history we have and the way that we are admired in the football world. For our traditions and for doing things the "Arsenal" way. That way is to live within our means and not flog ourselves like a cheap whore to the highest bidder to be some rich sugar daddys play thing. Every single club of a similar stature as us in the English Premier League has some kind of outside investment, we are self funding and that is something that I am proud of. It is the "Arsenal" way and admire the way the current board are looking to continue this with the fanshare scheme. In my opinion the board are doing a good job in maintaining our position as regular diners at Europes top table without jeopardising our future. I remember the days when we could only wish to have the AC Milans, Juventus's, Barcelona's and Real Madrids coming to our place, now it is a regular occurence. I really don't think you realise how lucky you are to support The Arsenal and everything it stands for. :barscarf: :barscarf:

71-79 we were not the 5th richest club in the world.We didnt charge the highest ticket prices in the world.What makes so many people angry about the board and Wenger is the acceptance of just finishing top 4 and that winning trophies doesnt matter.The board love Wenger because he doesnt spend big money and achieves their objective by finishing in the top 4 and Wenger loves the board because as every season that goes by without a trophy his job is safe.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8541445.stm

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:15 pm
by Iceman29
USMartin wrote:
Iceman29 wrote:
USMartin wrote:
And if i did like pricks I'd LOVE you for sure because you certainly have shown yourself to be one.
Takes one to know one I guess
:lol: Maybe - seems a reliaible way to assess things like this

I'm just a prick who cares a bit more about the consequences of what I say or who I might say it to. But yes I can be a prick so maybe I have good prickdar as a result

And since we're both pricks you should sign the petition then and help a fellow prick out. You'd be helping Arsenal too maybe.
I think you lot in the US are a bit too concerned about what is and what is not said on a forum. Try and lighten up a little.

As far as your petition is concerned, its a joke not only because I am extremely satisfied with the board, the club and the management but also because the club are just going to laugh it off if they ever receive it. It has no substance. You got 11 peeps already and I heard hitler and bin laden want to sign up as well. Why dont you send it to the club as it stands.

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:18 pm
by mcdowell42
What about Amanda HUGGINGKISS that was good

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:18 pm
by Rocky Number Seven
donaldo wrote:
Rocky Number Seven wrote:USM I really wonder how long you have supported this club for? Groundhog day would be going from 71-79 without a trophy, or for some who still support this club 53-71. Thats 18 years in the wilderness. We support this club because we love it through the good times and the bad. Because of the history we have and the way that we are admired in the football world. For our traditions and for doing things the "Arsenal" way. That way is to live within our means and not flog ourselves like a cheap whore to the highest bidder to be some rich sugar daddys play thing. Every single club of a similar stature as us in the English Premier League has some kind of outside investment, we are self funding and that is something that I am proud of. It is the "Arsenal" way and admire the way the current board are looking to continue this with the fanshare scheme. In my opinion the board are doing a good job in maintaining our position as regular diners at Europes top table without jeopardising our future. I remember the days when we could only wish to have the AC Milans, Juventus's, Barcelona's and Real Madrids coming to our place, now it is a regular occurence. I really don't think you realise how lucky you are to support The Arsenal and everything it stands for. :barscarf: :barscarf:

71-79 we were not the 5th richest club in the world.We didnt charge the highest ticket prices in the world.What makes so many people angry about the board and Wenger is the acceptance of just finishing top 4 and that winning trophies doesnt matter.The board love Wenger because he doesnt spend big money and achieves their objective by finishing in the top 4 and Wenger loves the board because as every season that goes by without a trophy his job is safe.
Would it not be the current board that have got us into that position? I'm not saying things are right but people just dont seem to realise where we have come from compared to those days and speak as if Arsenal has only been around for the past 15-20 years.

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:19 pm
by northbankbren
USMartin wrote:
I have answered you repeatedly. If you really believe that simply not being as close to bankruptcy as some some teams may be should be our sold concern God bless you, mate.

But if you really believe there is no middle ground between what we are doign and risking bankruptcy you are world-class naive and gullible. And all anyone who may question the way things are seriously suggesting in venturing somewhere within that middle ground. Now maybe you should answer this - do you sincerely believe if we spend any more than we are now that bankruptcy is an inevitable outcome - yes or no?

I do not mean to seem pushy but I think this is a genuine yes-or-no question and answer. Do you believe that any deviation form what we are doing now would lead automatically to bankruptcy?
You havent answered me.....what was the team again?

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:24 pm
by Iceman29
71-79 we were not the 5th richest club in the world.We didnt charge the highest ticket prices in the world.
Being the 5th richest club in the world does not guarantee success. Just ask Real Madrid!
As far as the most expensive ticket prices in the world, its a myth. I saw PSG at Parc de Princes around a month ago. Paid €55 for a row 3 seat for a ligue 1 game which costs £36 at Arsenal. Villareal charged us €75 for that CL q/f. I remember paying £55 for the return leg at the Arsenal. I think Barca charged us €70 for pretty average seats at Nou Camp as well

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:30 pm
by MM99
Iceman29 wrote:
71-79 we were not the 5th richest club in the world.We didnt charge the highest ticket prices in the world.
Being the 5th richest club in the world does not guarantee success. Just ask Real Madrid!
As far as the most expensive ticket prices in the world, its a myth. I saw PSG at Parc de Princes around a month ago. Paid €55 for a row 3 seat for a ligue 1 game which costs £36 at Arsenal. Villareal charged us €75 for that CL q/f. I remember paying £55 for the return leg at the Arsenal. I think Barca charged us €70 for pretty average seats at Nou Camp as well
Very good post this.

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:33 pm
by AA23Northbank
MM99 wrote:
Iceman29 wrote:
71-79 we were not the 5th richest club in the world.We didnt charge the highest ticket prices in the world.
Being the 5th richest club in the world does not guarantee success. Just ask Real Madrid!
As far as the most expensive ticket prices in the world, its a myth. I saw PSG at Parc de Princes around a month ago. Paid €55 for a row 3 seat for a ligue 1 game which costs £36 at Arsenal. Villareal charged us €75 for that CL q/f. I remember paying £55 for the return leg at the Arsenal. I think Barca charged us €70 for pretty average seats at Nou Camp as well
Very good post this.
Agree completely again, only 2 trophies from 71-89, the club has known worse periods than this one, and we're against two clubs funded by billionaire benefactors so we're dealing with a ridiculously over-inflated transfer market, we're doing fine, we're only 3 games into the season, anything can happen! :)

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:38 pm
by USMartin
Iceman29 wrote:
USMartin wrote:
Iceman29 wrote:
USMartin wrote:
And if i did like pricks I'd LOVE you for sure because you certainly have shown yourself to be one.
Takes one to know one I guess
:lol: Maybe - seems a reliaible way to assess things like this

I'm just a prick who cares a bit more about the consequences of what I say or who I might say it to. But yes I can be a prick so maybe I have good prickdar as a result

And since we're both pricks you should sign the petition then and help a fellow prick out. You'd be helping Arsenal too maybe.
I think you lot is the US are a bit too concerned about what is and what is not said on a forum. Try and lighten up a little.

As far as your petition is concerned, its a joke not only because I am extremely satisfied with the board, the club and the management but also because the club are just going to laugh it off if they ever receive it. It has no substance. You got 11 peeps already and I heard hitler and bin laden want to sign up as well. Why dont you send it to the club as it stands.
Now - at least we're dealing in substance here - or the lack of it anyway. Now I dsiagree with you on that point but its a valid point to discuss things. As for when it will go in it certainly wouldn't be now anyway and I suspect that even based on the rate of signatures being made now there will e heathy number by the time it does. You are welcome to sign if you change your mind - or if you like to clarify your point about its lack of substance as any constructtive comments aree most welcome and appreciated.

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:43 pm
by USMartin
Iceman29 wrote:
71-79 we were not the 5th richest club in the world.We didnt charge the highest ticket prices in the world.
Being the 5th richest club in the world does not guarantee success. Just ask Real Madrid!
As far as the most expensive ticket prices in the world, its a myth. I saw PSG at Parc de Princes around a month ago. Paid €55 for a row 3 seat for a ligue 1 game which costs £36 at Arsenal. Villareal charged us €75 for that CL q/f. I remember paying £55 for the return leg at the Arsenal. I think Barca charged us €70 for pretty average seats at Nou Camp as well
But nothing guarantees anything. To say we should not spend with absolutely guaranteed results is frankly a bit silly. The Busby Boys were going to dominate English and European Football for a decade. Nothing in life or fottball is guaranteed.

But to deliberately charge a lot more more than we can and spend a lot less less for reasons that appear at least selfishly driven should be inexcusable to all of us really, even if sometimes other clubs charge more than we do.

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:53 pm
by Iceman29
But to deliberately charge a lot more more than we can and spend a lot less less for reasons that appear at least selfishly driven should be inexcusable to all of us really, even if sometimes other clubs charge more than we do.
What evidence / proof that you have that we are over charging? It is a relative concept. If we were winning the triple during this period of time no one would complain and happily pay the tickets price without mentioning over charging. That's human nature.

As far as player spending goes, yes we can go and spend £15m on a player but then there are wage demands, bonuses and various other expenses. Have done cash flow budgeting for Arsenal? Do you have a complicated excel spreadsheet with all the inflows and outflows with all the numbers? Do you prepare sensitivity analysis to see what impact on cash flows will be there if we give a 5% increase in salary? Do you know what consequences will there be on liquidity if we break the wage structure to sign a particular player?

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:54 pm
by donaldo
Iceman29 wrote:
71-79 we were not the 5th richest club in the world.We didnt charge the highest ticket prices in the world.
Being the 5th richest club in the world does not guarantee success. Just ask Real Madrid!As far as the most expensive ticket prices in the world, its a myth. I saw PSG at Parc de Princes around a month ago. Paid €55 for a row 3 seat for a ligue 1 game which costs £36 at Arsenal. Villareal charged us €75 for that CL q/f. I remember paying £55 for the return leg at the Arsenal. I think Barca charged us €70 for pretty average seats at Nou Camp as well
Yeah Chelsea were winning titles before Abramovich came in :roll: :shock:

As for the most expensive season tickets:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... rpool.html

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:57 pm
by HashKads
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:00 pm
by HashKads
I seriously think that this is pushing me over the edge. You say not to open threads by him but its just everywhere like a virus! :banghead: We remove trolls from the forum and I feel this is no better. Its not a healthy debate, its something that hardly anybody wants to talk about anymore. I think we need to have a democratic vote to decide whether or not to remove this virus. :banghead: :banghead:

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:02 pm
by USMartin
Lucky number seven, Its not the lack of trophies, its the lack of desire for trophies that is so troubling.. Some of the best teams ever in any sports have failed at the final test. No matter what you spend or who you buy nothing is guaranteed.

Its the idea that making an even larger profit is better than trying a bit harder to win trophies that is so galling. What is so shameful about making a smaller profit but making a bigger effort to win things?

No one is against the Board making a profit and being rewarded for their efforts. But there is making a tidy profit and then there is seeking to make 5 and 10 and 30 and 100 million pound profits on shares you paid a pittance for or simply inherited. And that is ridiculous and naked greed. These aren’t people whose next meal depends on selling out or anything. They were all fairly comfortably wealthy before this and will simply be that much wealthier after this.

In other words this is just rich men and women using the club simply to be much much richer and abusing the loyalty of those who have trusted them to protect the club’s best interests.

I have no qualms about the Board taking annual dividends as reward for their tireless work on the new stadium and yes even the Highbury re-development, and making a very pretty penny. The Board have a problem with because they are the ones cashing in as much as they can by selling out. Apparently they just want a bigger prettier penny and appear willing to betray their commitments to protecting Arsenal best interests as a football club to get it.

I will say it again there is a middle ground between what they are doing and what some suggest we believe they ought to be doing that can satisfy all of us – except apparently these very wealthy individuals.