Listen to yourselves

[Rocky Number Seven]

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Haha Jayson this is exactly what I was going to put!!

[brazilianGOONER]

let me tell you one thing jambug, you don't walk into a place for the first time and tell everyone who's been there for years that they are deluded and your opinion is better than theirs.

you shut up, listen, and if you disagree, you politely say"sorry for i am new here, but my views are different" and then you explain them.

now we already know you understand fuck all about football, that you like to suck wenger's cock and that you have absolutely no class or respect. what else can you tell us?

I remember when you used to do that

a few years ago, didn't we all, sid? didn't we all...

[RVP2]

No people don’t complain about not finishing above man u, city and Chelsea, or about not winning trophies.

They complain because the manager has done nothing to address the same inherent failings that have been present for about 4years, notably, but not limited to the gk situation and the centre of defence.

They complain because the very same manager refuses to admit that these weaknesses even exist and doesn’t learn from his past mistakes, i.e. the inevitable collapse in feb/march.

They complain because the club pays big wages to unproven and never will be good enough players, and has the 2nd highest wage bill in the country then pleads poverty (in fact this isn't true as the club consistently say there is a significant transfer kitty to spend) and the mager continues with clearly not good enough players to the detriment of results (alumunia for many seasons anyone???)

They complain because the manger refuses to use all the resources available to him (I'm talking about the ring fenced transfer funds that he has had for the past few seasons) to make his team as good as they could be.

Please attempt to argue any of these points. I doubt you will though as you simply can't. if you don't even try, simply f off back to some other band wagon you jumped on circa 97/98.

Spot on mate.

[JakeN13]

Yes we may charge the highest prices and be listed in the top ten of Forbes richest sports clubs but how dare you bastards complain about us net spending less than Stoke/Sunderland and many others over the past ten years.

I am with Jambug! Viva the superfan. We don't financially compete with anyone on transfers

We don't buy Cahill or Samba for 12-15m because we can't compete with Gazprom paying 50m for Torres. It all makes sense now.

The above is a great point but Wenger and the club never have to answer it because the ones that shouts the loudest are the "Wenger is a *word censored*" brigade who complains and moans about everything they possibly can...which makes it very easy for the club (and people like Jambug) to point at all fans who rasises a concern and shake their heads like they're all idiots who don't understand that we can't compete with Cska and City in the transfer market.

It was exactly the same when Wenger first fielded a whole 11 with non English players. Everybody had a go right, left and centre and tWengers instant answer was of course...sure if you don't want the best players like Henry and Pires that's fine...since nobody put the question to him why he could give Igors Stepenovs a chance and not Matt Connolly for instance.

[jambug]

I asked why we should finnish above Multi Multi Million pound spending Chelsea City and UTD. Not one of you have given one. I have not once infered wenger has not made any mistakes or indeed infered he is perfect. Buying and selling certain players is a matter of opinion. Yours, mine, all the others on here and in the ground and around the World and we will all disagree or agree to a greater or lesser degree. That same debate with differing views you can be sure goes on at all Clubs. The crux of the matter is, irrespective of how much money we have, relative to the afore mentioned, we have very little. The truth of the matter is you expect Wenger to produce miracles. You expect Wenger to produce a team cappable of finnishing above Chelsea, UTD and City irespective of his relatively meagre budget. You think just because Arsenal have to charge such high prices because of the riduculously inflated market place that automatically gives you the right to demand success. Well it does'nt work like that. If you have an issue with prices take out your frustrations on the cause of those high prices. Why is it Wengers or Arsenals fault that they are competing in a race where effectively 3 of the competitors are running on steroids!! AS I say NOT ONE of you has given a valid reason as to why we should finnish above those financially 'doped' teams. Oh and dont be so touchy, I hav'nt insulted anyone unless you think being called a bunch of 'neg heads' is particularly insulting!!

[Rugby Gooner]

let me tell you one thing jambug, you don't walk into a place for the first time and tell everyone who's been there for years that they are deluded and your opinion is better than theirs.

you shut up, listen, and if you disagree, you politely say "sorry for i am new here, but my views are different" and then you explain them.

now we already know you understand fuck all about football, that you like to suck wenger's cock and that you have absolutely no class or respect. what else can you tell us?

Good Skills B.G.

[OneBardGooner]

I joined this site with the hope of finding like minded Gooners, you know guys that love Arsenal come hell or high water. Guys that actually support the team. Guys that realise that there is more to being a fan than just watching the medals roll in. Guys that are proud of the way our Club is run. Proud of the way we are still hanging in there despite sugar daddies throwing MILLIONS even BILLIONS of pounds of un earnt dosh at other clubs. But what do I find ? A bunch of whingeing whineing ungrateful fair weather, I hesitate to use the word, fans, doing nothing but gripe, gripe and gripe some more. Jeeeez, I thought it was bad on 606 but you lot take the biscuit. And this is supposed to be a site for are SUPPORTERS. If all your expectations of a football team/club are that they throw insane, unsustainable, crippling amounts of money about, in our case money we havn't got (relative to the afore mentioned I mean) then you are sad sad sad. And dont come out with that rubbish about 'we charge the most for tickets' or 'we have got the money' because that is utter bull. In the first instant, yes we do charge high prices but WHYS THAT? Because if we at least want to try to compete we have to raise the money somehow. WE HAVN'T got and most DON'T WANT a sugar Daddy therefore you and I have to pay for the ridiculously over inflated Wages and transfer fees that have been caused by the sugar Daddys in the first place. And sencondly yes of course we have money but relative to Chelsea City and even UTD? Do me a favour. And while I'm talking of favours why don't you do yourself one, and go and support the National bank of Russia or the Saudia oil barons as you seem to love money so much!!!

ps: maybe you could change your monnicker to WumTurd then we could more easily understand why you are saying what you are saying....

[flash gunner]

I asked why we should finnish above Multi Multi Million pound spending Chelsea City and UTD. Not one of you have given one. I have not once infered wenger has not made any mistakes or indeed infered he is perfect. Buying and selling certain players is a matter of opinion. Yours, mine, all the others on here and in the ground and around the World and we will all disagree or agree to a greater or lesser degree. That same debate with differing views you can be sure goes on at all Clubs. The crux of the matter is, irrespective of how much money we have, relative to the afore mentioned, we have very little. The truth of the matter is you expect Wenger to produce miracles. You expect Wenger to produce a team cappable of finnishing above Chelsea, UTD and City irespective of his relatively meagre budget. You think just because Arsenal have to charge such high prices because of the riduculously inflated market place that automatically gives you the right to demand success. Well it does'nt work like that. If you have an issue with prices take out your frustrations on the cause of those high prices. Why is it Wengers or Arsenals fault that they are competing in a race where effectively 3 of the competitors are running on steroids!! AS I say NOT ONE of you has given a valid reason as to why we should finnish above those financially 'doped' teams. Oh and dont be so touchy, I hav'nt insulted anyone unless you think being called a bunch of 'neg heads' is particularly insulting!!

:sodomite:

[Eboue-Why?]

Jambug, if you really have been monitoring this site for a while then you'd have noticed that people aren't simply moaning about where we're finishing, it's mainly about Wenger's stubborness in addressing weaknesses in the squad, the fact that we have 6 or 7 players in that squad that plainly aren't up to standard and why if we have 10s of millions in the kitty (the Board's words not mine) he refuses to address the shortcomings.
I've never got the impression that people on here think we have a right to be Champions, only that at least the Manager should try to put us in a position to 'compete with the best teams in Europe'. Remember that infamous quote from years ago?

[northbankbren]

JUMBUG,

who has said WE SHOULD finish above them, Who????

Show me the post.

As a certain mod here would put it....

VANITY THREAD ALERT

It a "want" that all have, a "want" to finish above them.

You say we dont have money to spend so you clearly dont have a clue. Common sence says that if we dont improve the squad we wont finish above the mentioned teams.

Again can you post quote of anyone on here saying we SHOULD finsih above those teams????

[brazilianGOONER]

I asked why we should finnish above Multi Multi Million pound spending Chelsea City and UTD. Not one of you have given one. I have not once infered wenger has not made any mistakes or indeed infered he is perfect. Buying and selling certain players is a matter of opinion. Yours, mine, all the others on here and in the ground and around the World and we will all disagree or agree to a greater or lesser degree. That same debate with differing views you can be sure goes on at all Clubs. The crux of the matter is, irrespective of how much money we have, relative to the afore mentioned, we have very little. The truth of the matter is you expect Wenger to produce miracles. You expect Wenger to produce a team cappable of finnishing above Chelsea, UTD and City irespective of his relatively meagre budget. You think just because Arsenal have to charge such high prices because of the riduculously inflated market place that automatically gives you the right to demand success. Well it does'nt work like that. If you have an issue with prices take out your frustrations on the cause of those high prices. Why is it Wengers or Arsenals fault that they are competing in a race where effectively 3 of the competitors are running on steroids!! AS I say NOT ONE of you has given a valid reason as to why we should finnish above those financially 'doped' teams. Oh and dont be so touchy, I hav'nt insulted anyone unless you think being called a bunch of 'neg heads' is particularly insulting!!

as a physics teacher, i used to tell my students not to measure the ammount of knowledge they gathered by comparing themselves to the other students - they should simply try to be the best they could, regardless of what.

as a football team, we must try and be the best we can within our possibilities.

and right now, we are a bunch of bottlers. we have a lot of cash in the bank, we pay ridiculous wages to players that not even the cash rich teams you mention would pay (or you think ferguson would give the likes of bendtner and diaby 60k wages?) and we could easily address our problems with proper training and proper signings (that can be made with the money we own!).

we're angry because we have the means to be champions but our manager is too stubborn to do the necessary changes.

got it now?

by the way, you forgot to apologize for your first post.

[Babu]

I asked why we should finnish above Multi Multi Million pound spending Chelsea City and UTD. Not one of you have given one.

If you really want to discuss it, and are not just on a wind-up, then I will try and give you a reason.

Firstly, don't talk about United. They are in the same boat as us, almost. They have debt, and they have money problems, but they went up against big-spending chelsea and kicked their arses.

In 2004/05 and 2005/06 when chelsea walked the League we could ALL have given up.

2004/05 chelsea won the League by 12 points!
2005/06 chelsea won the League by 9 points!

So...what did ManUnited do in the summer of 2006?!?

They ONLY bought Carrick, and Larsson in January.

What happened?

They won the League in 2006/07 by 6 points. No £50million signings, just addressed a problem, and got on with it.

Next summer, what did United do? Bought Hargreaves and Tevez. Addressed a problem, and got on with it, won the League again.

Next season - what did United do?!?
Bought Berbatov. What happened? Won the League again.

You seriously think that with the proper signings we couldn't have competed with United and Chelsea?
They didn't have to be huge gambles either.

A goalkeeper would have been a start. Given was available for £5million. Other signings that we could have got; Kompany wanted to come to us, and would have sorted our defensive hole out; Inler wanted to come to us, and would have sorted our midfield hole out. I could go on and on, but not sure if you will even answer.

So, what did The Arsenal do. We decided to bottle it completely, and go for 4th place, and a rise in the share price, with no experienced signings.

We could easily have spent £10m each window more in the last 4 years and have challenged - if not won - the PL.

[Perryashburtongroves]

We want to see progress, we want to see a manager that actually knows how to change the course of a game when things aren't going right, we want to see the massive and expensive scouting network uncover juts ONE decent player, we want to see the manager publicly acknowledge that performances aren't up to the standard expected, we want to see him get rid of the dross that shouldn't even be near our reserve team, let alone the first XI, we want to see the usual mistakes eradicated, gaping holes plugged and most importanlty, we want to see eleven Arsenal players on the pitch that realise what playing for the club means. I doubt many on here would actaully kick up a fuss if the manager told the truth and admitted his mistakes or if the players gave 100% and still came up short.
What we can't tolerate is the lies, the lack of effort, the crap excuses and delusions that stem from the manager and board and above all, the absolute lack of respect and appreciation for fans that have paid in for years, travelled up and down the country and across Europe to watch and support this club and who have put up with periods that were a lot worse than this and never stopped supporting. Yes, we want to win things, yes, we want the best players and the big names but right now, all we ask for is a bit of effort and respect. Then, as we all know, the trophies will follow.

[MEDINABOY]

oh jambug!your a breath of fresh air ,a tonic.just what was needed here on the gooner.it's sad to say that of late there has been a dearth of a contrary view to what is the norm here.PARAGRAPH.
rosetinters have been undercover for a while now and we have resorted to squabbling amongst ourselves.PARAGRPH.
you are a senile pillock who has lost all grip on reality and will be playing the "we aint got no money song"while the ship sinks.PARAGRAPH.
we could have won the title for the last three years if the paranoid french wa***r had spent relatively small amounts on the defence.PARAGRAPH.
that is why we should be above your hero's -mufc and the chavs.PARAGRAPH.
any how welcome and keep on posting we just cant get enough of idiots like you.

[Deise Gooner]

I asked why we should finnish above Multi Multi Million pound spending Chelsea City and UTD. Not one of you have given one. I have not once infered wenger has not made any mistakes or indeed infered he is perfect. Buying and selling certain players is a matter of opinion. Yours, mine, all the others on here and in the ground and around the World and we will all disagree or agree to a greater or lesser degree. That same debate with differing views you can be sure goes on at all Clubs. The crux of the matter is, irrespective of how much money we have, relative to the afore mentioned, we have very little. The truth of the matter is you expect Wenger to produce miracles. You expect Wenger to produce a team cappable of finnishing above Chelsea, UTD and City irespective of his relatively meagre budget. You think just because Arsenal have to charge such high prices because of the riduculously inflated market place that automatically gives you the right to demand success. Well it does'nt work like that. If you have an issue with prices take out your frustrations on the cause of those high prices. Why is it Wengers or Arsenals fault that they are competing in a race where effectively 3 of the competitors are running on steroids!! AS I say NOT ONE of you has given a valid reason as to why we should finnish above those financially 'doped' teams. Oh and dont be so touchy, I hav'nt insulted anyone unless you think being called a bunch of 'neg heads' is particularly insulting!!

We arent Stoke or Wigan who are happy to finish mid table and have another season in the Premier League and we arent Spurs that cream ourselves when we finish 4th and get into the CL. This club has a long tradition of winning trophies so we shouldnt just say there is no point competing.

Last year we were second, 3 points behind with United to come to the Emirates and yet again the failing that have been evident over the past 4-5 years meant we ended up falling to 4th. Your multi-million steroid users we miles behind us but that probably too inconvinient for you

We have a good squad that with investment in the areas that have been crying out for quality, proven players for 5 years can and will win the league. That is why its so frustrating for us 'spoilt fans' as we have been promised so much by Wenger, Gazidis and others before them and they have failed to live up to their promises and ignore the fans.