FREE THE ARCHWAY ONE - PETITION

[olgitgooner]

Allegedly the WPC who forced the banning order has been suspended.

https://www.facebook.com/shewore?hc_location=stream

[QuartzGooner]

Without being a lawyer I do not know if the club can overrule a police ban?

They can't.

In that case the focus of complaint must be with the police, both in the immediate case of the ban, and for the longer term harrassment, and why that has happened.

Olgit has posted that things seem to be moving on that front.

[REB]

http://shewore.com/



In October, we wrote about how an Arsenal fan who does a lot of work for a local charity was unfairly banned from The Emirates and the impact this had on the local charity. The back story is that a fan got in a few verbal’s with another Arsenal fan, 7 hours after a game, 3 miles from the ground. It was an argument not related to football, and just so happened to occur on a day Arsenal were playing. It was a situation that could happen to anyone at anytime.

The fan in question was banned by the club, based on advice by the WPC who headed up the Arsenal police intelligence team. This despite the judge stating during the case that the fan should not be banned as it was clearly not football related. What occurred was clearly exploitation of power, banning a single fan on the basis of a decision by a single officer.

Since our article on the matter, there have been developments in the case. The WPC who ‘advised’ the club on the matter has since is currently ”subject to ongoing disciplinary measures at present and no longer a part of the Arsenal Football Intelligence Unit.” The reason behind the disciplinary measures have not been released, yet this case was not the 1st time that said WPC was controversially involved in the ban of fans, after once saying “The football ban should send a clear message that police will not tolerate disruptive behaviour, before, during or after any matches” after two fans got banned due to a fracas which started due to them standing up.

So with the WPC in question now no longer part of the Arsenal Football Intelligence Unit, the question is, why are the club still upholding the ban, despite it being a ban based solely on her advice. A petition was recently started by friends of the banned for to gain “Justice For The Archway One”. Pin badges are also being sold by the badge sellers throughout pubs and outside of the stadium to raise funds to enable the fans to fight his case against the club.

We at SheWore back this campaign completely. This is Big Brother, This is 1984. This is the club banning someone for an action which just happened to happen on a game day. It could happen to anyone. You could be drinking in Liverpool Street on the day of a game, get in an argument, and get banned, or Regents Park, or Euston, or even on the banks of the River Thames in Temple, all these places are around 3 miles from our ground.

Both Arsenal Football Club & the Metropolitan Police had been served subject access requests under the Data Protection Act/Freedom of Information Act for all correspondence/evidence/statements relating to the decision to ban Mr Doherty, however neither has been forthcoming with any information stating they will not disclose to third parties & that all correspondence is confidential. Mr Doherty has made complaints regarding the actions of both parties & this now lies in the hands of the Information Commissioner’s Office. It must be remembered that Failure to comply with the Data Protection Act is a Criminal Offence!

The decision to ban the fan was clearly wrong it is impacting on the charity and sets a very poor precedent.

Sign the petition now and show your support, not just for the banned fan, but for all fans who could be potential banned after this poor decision.

GC

[REB]

SIGN THE PETITION HERE,

THANK YOU


http://www.change.org/petitions/arsenal ... e_petition

[cardinal2011]

Is this the same fella who had all those problems after Copenhagen?

[Ryanswannell]

Done.

[g88ner]

Ah yes, last time we heard about this chap, I had to change the thread title from "Arsenal ban charity" when what they actually did was ban a bloke (on advice from the police) who just so happens to work for a charity. Hardly the same thing!

I also remember Herd saying this guy was being harassed for 15 years by the police, so this MUST be about more than a little disagreement 7 hours after a game last season? - Why were they harassing him for the 14 previous years?

Look, I don't pretend to know anything about this case, but it doesn't add up. Certainly not enough for me to have any confidence in petitioning against the police.

Arsenal are taking advice from the police, and 99 times out of a hundred, the club (any club) would go with that advice. Yes, the person who made the request may have been disciplined but how do we know it was her decision and hers alone? - if it wasn't, then it's understandable that the club are reluctant to overturn police advice.

Anyway, good luck with the petition. If he really has done nothing whatsoever to deserve police attention, then it's bad luck indeed!

[Brady's left peg]

Ah yes, last time we heard about this chap, I had to change the thread title from "Arsenal ban charity" when what they actually did was ban a bloke (on advice from the police) who just so happens to work for a charity. Hardly the same thing!

I also remember Herd saying this guy was being harassed for 15 years by the police, so this MUST be about more than a little disagreement 7 hours after a game last season? - Why were they harassing him for the 14 previous years?

Look, I don't pretend to know anything about this case, but it doesn't add up. Certainly not enough for me to have any confidence in petitioning against the police.

Arsenal are taking advice from the police, and 99 times out of a hundred, the club (any club) would go with that advice. Yes, the person who made the request may have been disciplined but how do we know it was her decision and hers alone? - if it wasn't, then it's understandable that the club are reluctant to overturn police advice.

Anyway, good luck with the petition. If he really has done nothing whatsoever to deserve police attention, then it's bad luck indeed!

g88ner... I don't believe you could of read any of the available content regarding this before posting the above reply. You have to treat each case individually and in this case disregard whether he has allegedly been involved with the police before. Reading your post it appears you have already found him guilty! For your information it has been known on more than one occasion for the police to lie or be very economical with the truth.
In this case the judge at his trial did not implement a banning order because he considered it not football related, but this wpc who is now facing disciplinary action from the met, decided to take the law into he own hands and approached the club herself... she has now been removed from her position in the Arsenal intelligence unit.
The one thing you are right about though, is that there is more to this than meets the eye. But in this instance it could well turn out to be the wpc being over zealous not the other way around.

[Ryanswannell]

... she has now been removed from her position in the Arsenal intelligence unit...

Do we really have one of them???

[g88ner]

Ah yes, last time we heard about this chap, I had to change the thread title from "Arsenal ban charity" when what they actually did was ban a bloke (on advice from the police) who just so happens to work for a charity. Hardly the same thing!

I also remember Herd saying this guy was being harassed for 15 years by the police, so this MUST be about more than a little disagreement 7 hours after a game last season? - Why were they harassing him for the 14 previous years?

Look, I don't pretend to know anything about this case, but it doesn't add up. Certainly not enough for me to have any confidence in petitioning against the police.

Arsenal are taking advice from the police, and 99 times out of a hundred, the club (any club) would go with that advice. Yes, the person who made the request may have been disciplined but how do we know it was her decision and hers alone? - if it wasn't, then it's understandable that the club are reluctant to overturn police advice.

Anyway, good luck with the petition. If he really has done nothing whatsoever to deserve police attention, then it's bad luck indeed!

g88ner... I don't believe you could of read any of the available content regarding this before posting the above reply. You have to treat each case individually and in this case disregard whether he has allegedly been involved with the police before. Reading your post it appears you have already found him guilty! For your information it has been known on more than one occasion for the police to lie or be very economical with the truth.
In this case the judge at his trial did not implement a banning order because he considered it not football related, but this wpc who is now facing disciplinary action from the met, decided to take the law into he own hands and approached the club herself... she has now been removed from her position in the Arsenal intelligence unit.
The one thing you are right about though, is that there is more to this than meets the eye. But in this instance it could well turn out to be the wpc being over zealous not the other way around.

I read the article mate. Yes, police are known to lie but aren't fans also known to bleat and moan about the police? and why should we disregard what he may have previously done before the trial? - this isn't a court of law, and I'd imagine the police would usually take past behaviour into account before recommending a banning order.

Also, I haven't found him guilty at all - I just don't think there's anywhere near enough evidence to warrant me petitioning against the police!

For that, I'd have to be pretty damn certain there's a level of corruption at play.

Turn it round... why would the police harass a bloke for 15 years (according to Herd) if he's not only a normal stand up bloke, but a dedicated charity worker to boot?

I don't know, it just feels to me that there's more to this than the article lets on... and for that reason, I'm out.

[northbank123]

Ah yes, last time we heard about this chap, I had to change the thread title from "Arsenal ban charity" when what they actually did was ban a bloke (on advice from the police) who just so happens to work for a charity. Hardly the same thing!

I also remember Herd saying this guy was being harassed for 15 years by the police, so this MUST be about more than a little disagreement 7 hours after a game last season? - Why were they harassing him for the 14 previous years?

Look, I don't pretend to know anything about this case, but it doesn't add up. Certainly not enough for me to have any confidence in petitioning against the police.

Arsenal are taking advice from the police, and 99 times out of a hundred, the club (any club) would go with that advice. Yes, the person who made the request may have been disciplined but how do we know it was her decision and hers alone? - if it wasn't, then it's understandable that the club are reluctant to overturn police advice.

Anyway, good luck with the petition. If he really has done nothing whatsoever to deserve police attention, then it's bad luck indeed!

g88ner... I don't believe you could of read any of the available content regarding this before posting the above reply. You have to treat each case individually and in this case disregard whether he has allegedly been involved with the police before. Reading your post it appears you have already found him guilty! For your information it has been known on more than one occasion for the police to lie or be very economical with the truth.
In this case the judge at his trial did not implement a banning order because he considered it not football related, but this wpc who is now facing disciplinary action from the met, decided to take the law into he own hands and approached the club herself... she has now been removed from her position in the Arsenal intelligence unit.
The one thing you are right about though, is that there is more to this than meets the eye. But in this instance it could well turn out to be the wpc being over zealous not the other way around.

I don't think g88ner is jumping to conclusions that he's guilty. In fact I think the point he is making is that he's NOT jumping to conclusions either way.

And I'm inclined to agree with him. An article that makes crude, clumsy and seemingly baseless suggestions that Arsenal and the Met Police are engaging in criminal behaviour hardly strikes me as even-handed enough to be the sole basis for making a judgment on the situation.

Not saying the bloke is guilty or a wrong'un or has been treated fairly, just saying I imagine there are a few more facts that haven't been mentioned.

[Brady's left peg]

Ah yes, last time we heard about this chap, I had to change the thread title from "Arsenal ban charity" when what they actually did was ban a bloke (on advice from the police) who just so happens to work for a charity. Hardly the same thing!

I also remember Herd saying this guy was being harassed for 15 years by the police, so this MUST be about more than a little disagreement 7 hours after a game last season? - Why were they harassing him for the 14 previous years?

Look, I don't pretend to know anything about this case, but it doesn't add up. Certainly not enough for me to have any confidence in petitioning against the police.

Arsenal are taking advice from the police, and 99 times out of a hundred, the club (any club) would go with that advice. Yes, the person who made the request may have been disciplined but how do we know it was her decision and hers alone? - if it wasn't, then it's understandable that the club are reluctant to overturn police advice.

Anyway, good luck with the petition. If he really has done nothing whatsoever to deserve police attention, then it's bad luck indeed!

g88ner... I don't believe you could of read any of the available content regarding this before posting the above reply. You have to treat each case individually and in this case disregard whether he has allegedly been involved with the police before. Reading your post it appears you have already found him guilty! For your information it has been known on more than one occasion for the police to lie or be very economical with the truth.
In this case the judge at his trial did not implement a banning order because he considered it not football related, but this wpc who is now facing disciplinary action from the met, decided to take the law into he own hands and approached the club herself... she has now been removed from her position in the Arsenal intelligence unit.
The one thing you are right about though, is that there is more to this than meets the eye. But in this instance it could well turn out to be the wpc being over zealous not the other way around.

I read the article mate. Yes, police are known to lie but aren't fans also known to bleat and moan about the police? and why should we disregard what he may have previously done before the trial? - this isn't a court of law, and I'd imagine the police would usually take past behaviour into account before recommending a banning order.

Also, I haven't found him guilty at all - I just don't think there's anywhere near enough evidence to warrant me petitioning against the police!

For that, I'd have to be pretty damn certain there's a level of corruption at play.

Turn it round... why would the police harass a bloke for 15 years (according to Herd) if he's not only a normal stand up bloke, but a dedicated charity worker to boot?

I don't know, it just feels to me that there's more to this than the article lets on... and for that reason, I'm out.

That's your choice..... lets hope one day your not in a similar position. But please consider this first.... Only a criminal court can impose a banning order, something this court felt was not needed as the judge deemed the offence not football related. This was a police officer going against the judges wishes and dishing out her own punishment via the club.
By the way the petition is against the club not the police as it was the club who banned him not the courts, even though the incident had fuck all to do with the club/stadium/match etc. I couldn't care less what previous he may of had in this instance they were wrong and it is this instance that all this relates too.

Edit....... further information from late today.
Mick Doherty has now been given a copy of the submission made by the WPC in question to Arsenal FC, this is only after intervention by the ICO - Information Commissioners Office.

It clearly shows that the whole truth was not presented to Arsenal FC, the WPC omitted to tell Arsenal FC that she had applied for a banning order to the court, in addition that this had been turned down by the magistrate.

This may explain why the relaease of this information has taken over four months, also why there has been a reluctance to release it, as it clearly shows that Arsenal FC were misled by the by the Metropolitan police.
Who'd of thought it.... a copper telling porkies!!

[g88ner]

That's your choice..... lets hope one day your not in a similar position. But please consider this first.... Only a criminal court can impose a banning order, something this court felt was not needed as the judge deemed the offence not football related. This was a police officer going against the judges wishes and dishing out her own punishment via the club.
By the way the petition is against the club not the police as it was the club who banned him not the courts, even though the incident had fuck all to do with the club/stadium/match etc. I couldn't care less what previous he may of had in this instance they were wrong and it is this instance that all this relates too.

Edit....... further information from late today.
Mick Doherty has now been given a copy of the submission made by the WPC in question to Arsenal FC, this is only after intervention by the ICO - Information Commissioners Office.

It clearly shows that the whole truth was not presented to Arsenal FC, the WPC omitted to tell Arsenal FC that she had applied for a banning order to the court, in addition that this had been turned down by the magistrate.

This may explain why the relaease of this information has taken over four months, also why there has been a reluctance to release it, as it clearly shows that Arsenal FC were misled by the by the Metropolitan police.
Who'd of thought it.... a copper telling porkies!!

I'm impartial so my reluctance to nail my colours to the mast isn't really a "choice" as such - it's more a lack of evidence. Of course, that position is subject to change based on more evidence coming to light... but even if it does, does that make it right that people signed it prior to knowing this key evidence?

Yes, I could sign it and support this bloke, but i'd be wrong to do so as it belittles the whole process, as what value does a petition have if it's not being signed by informed people? - which, of course, it why online petitions are a load of bollocks. How many times do you see them floating around facebook and forums, asking people to support a cause they have very little interest in or knowledge about, but sign the flippin' thing anyway!

After all, why not? - lets back our fellow man and stick it to da man! you know, David and Goliath and all that... lets not let evidence and informed decisions get in the way of a good old petition against a world famous business!

Either way, I hope it doesn't happen to me either... but if it does, I won't be expecting petitions on my behalf by a bunch of strangers who - for the most part - haven't bothered to review the evidence and will forget about the cause a millisecond after signing their name and putting their weight behind what should be an important document that everyone has thought long and hard about before signing.

But good luck to the bloke.

[clockender1]

I signed.

Unless he gets arrested at or outside an Arsenal game for fighting, it seems wrong to stop him enjoying his football.

i'm sure a lot of people have had some argy bargy in the pub and on holiday, it doesn't make you a Hoolie unless you go looking for it every week.

just mho.

[Belfast Boy]

g88ner sure the guy's innocent until proven guilty - no???