FA CUP TRADE OFF POLL

[armchair]

Wonder if the Wenger fans will give our next manager 9 years of support while winning sweet fa?
The new guy needs to hit the ground running or the Wenger supporters and #flipfloppers will have the knives out right away

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

I suggested this 2 weeks ago and cockender in particular said I was not a proper supporter because I did not view the FA cup as a major trophy anymore and that it would be a cop out for wenger if we win it.

[StuartL]

Winning the FA cup (if we do) in no way makes up for the many gutless performances in the last few years in various competitions.

I want our club to succeed but would be fearful that the board would see this as an indication that Wenker has got his mojo back - given that he will say "we are only 1 or 2 percent away" or "this is the best squad I have ever worked with" or some other complete bollocks.

"Special Circumstances" like the 8-2 v mancs, 4-4 v toon when 4-0 up , 6-3 v city, 5-0 v bindippers and 6-0 v Chelsea stop being special when the keep re-occurring.

I want us to win the FA cup. but given the choice of 1 more potless year and being free to start afresh (including an overhaul of coaching / scouting / medical staff) with a new manager, with new ideas who will make changes according to the opposition's gameplan and install some proper drive and discipline in our bunch of halfhearted pussies.

Oh and we might even get a manager who will relish the opportunity to purchase some world class players with our hard earned stash they are sitting on for a rainy day

[northbank123]

I suggested this 2 weeks ago and cockender in particular said I was not a proper supporter because I did not view the FA cup as a major trophy anymore and that it would be a cop out for wenger if we win it.

If I remember correctly you weren't just talking about a trade-off or whatever, you were completely dismissive of the FA Cup and pretty ambivalent as to our progress in it.

[essexgooner123]

What do people think are the chances that Wenger will decide he wants to leave on a high after winning one last trophy at Wembley? I think yesterday must have affected his desire to carry on for another three years

[g88ner]

Sid, you're question is so difficult to answer, and messing with my mind so much, that it reminds me of an advert...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHA4-5N5AzA

[Theoperator]

I think an interesting poll would be whether we'd all take finishing 5th for one season to see wenger gone.

I don't want him gone, but if you'd accept Thursday night football for a season to see him out, then you really must be anti wenger!

See I just dont get this obsession with the Champions league, we are as far off the pace in that against the likley last 4 as we are against the top 3 at the moment in the Premier league.

So if its Thursday or Wednesday, Benfica Shatka or Napoli Munich where honestly is the big difference?

Heard Bob Wilson say the other day how wonderful it is that we see Barca play us at our ground, frankly I would miles rather be outside the town HAll celebrating a victory against Birmingham in The Cup

Wow its extra money in the CL but where has all that money gone in the last 16 seasons? Not saying I DONT want to be in the CL but its become an obsession thats out of proportion with its reality.

Maybe if we had beaten Barca those years ago and won then Wenger wouldnt be stubbonly listing it as the be all and end all, but if you honestly take a long hard look at where we are right now maybe you would see the relative futility of seeing (AND paying when youve already paid for the season ticket) V Bayern Madrid Milan or Barca. Dont also believe the spiel that "We cant persuade the best players to come if we arent in the CL" I guess thats why we managed to heroically snatch Kalstrom from the death of a Moscow CT scanner or Sanogo from the French postal service- it just does NOT wash anymore.

Emporer Wenger, you arent wearing any clothes is what many of us have realised (Some sooner than others )

Wonder if the Wenger fans will give our next manager 9 years of support while winning sweet fa?
The new guy needs to hit the ground running or the Wenger supporters and #flipfloppers will have the knives out right away

I really hope that his successor achieves as much success for the Arsenal in his first 500 matches, however it happens , we can argue about the next 500 matches with some sort of feeling of happiness then

[goonersid]

Looking at the poll results I would say it's pretty conclusive that most anti wenger supporters would do the trade off, I am of course coming to this conclusion based on the presumption that, Wenger supporters like afc forever have voted. thus distorting the result of what I was trying to establish.

[augie]

I think an interesting poll would be whether we'd all take finishing 5th for one season to see wenger gone.

I don't want him gone, but if you'd accept Thursday night football for a season to see him out, then you really must be anti wenger!

I hate this thursday night bullshit but I have to say that I would find a season in it more preferable to another season of wenker (much less another 3 seasons ).

You have to also agree with theoperator's point that playing in the champs league is, for us at least, all about the ££££ - maybe if we had another manager that spent the money being generated from it then I would have a different attitude to it, but living under this theory that playing in it will allow us to recruit top quality players, when the reality is that ozil apart, we dont sign top quality players, is clearly bullshit

[DB10GOONER]

It makes no difference. Winning the cup or not winning the cup will NOT determine wether Arsene stays or leaves. It is quite obvious the Board do not require him to deliver trophies to keep his job so they won't be sacking him anytime soon. And it is quite obvious that Arsene himself does not view delivering trophies as the most important part of his job so he is unlikely (after 9 barren years) to suddenly think "Oh, hey! I didn't win a trophy this year - I better resign..."

No. Wenger will go when Wenger decides it's time for him to go, be it to take the French national job or maybe the PSG job.

So I would rather win the FA cup than not. As not winning it only means we have won nothing, it will have no impact on Arsene's tenure either way.

[Herd]

It makes no difference.

fazackerly !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbOx8TyvUmI

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

I suggested this 2 weeks ago and cockender in particular said I was not a proper supporter because I did not view the FA cup as a major trophy anymore and that it would be a cop out for wenger if we win it.

If I remember correctly you weren't just talking about a trade-off or whatever, you were completely dismissive of the FA Cup and pretty ambivalent as to our progress in it.

Yes you do remember correctly and I still don't give a fuck about winning the FA cup, been to finals when it was a serious competition, it's now on a par with the league cup

[goonersid]

It makes no difference. Winning the cup or not winning the cup will NOT determine wether Arsene stays or leaves. It is quite obvious the Board do not require him to deliver trophies to keep his job so they won't be sacking him anytime soon. And it is quite obvious that Arsene himself does not view delivering trophies as the most important part of his job so he is unlikely (after 9 barren years) to suddenly think "Oh, hey! I didn't win a trophy this year - I better resign..."

No. Wenger will go when Wenger decides it's time for him to go, be it to take the French national job or maybe the PSG job.

So I would rather win the FA cup than not. As not winning it only means we have won nothing, it will have no impact on Arsene's tenure either way.

I don't think it will either, but the question was "if you were given a cast iron assurance he would go"

[DB10GOONER]

It makes no difference. Winning the cup or not winning the cup will NOT determine wether Arsene stays or leaves. It is quite obvious the Board do not require him to deliver trophies to keep his job so they won't be sacking him anytime soon. And it is quite obvious that Arsene himself does not view delivering trophies as the most important part of his job so he is unlikely (after 9 barren years) to suddenly think "Oh, hey! I didn't win a trophy this year - I better resign..."

No. Wenger will go when Wenger decides it's time for him to go, be it to take the French national job or maybe the PSG job.

So I would rather win the FA cup than not. As not winning it only means we have won nothing, it will have no impact on Arsene's tenure either way.

I don't think it will either, but the question was "if you were given a cast iron assurance he would go"

I know, sid - but I don't do hypothetical.

[Gunner Rob]

no Arsenal supporter should ever want us to sacrifice the FA Cup. End of