England 2018 World Cup bid

[HashKads]

I didn't really want to get into this but some of the posts on here are a joke.

I do agree that the poor labour conditions need to be looked into because in all of the Middle East its a problem. Maids and drivers are the norm on next to nothing wages, and builders etc on poor pay and poor conditions. Its something FIFA should highlight that is not acceptable.

Talk of stoning of women etc is pure nonsense, Qatar is one of the more liberal GCC states. Women can dress how they like so long as its not too provacative and alcohol is legal, yes its restricted in public but I am sure when the WC comes around there will be designated fan parks, hotels and bars just like the WC this year.

The whole WC experience for me personally is about a new country, the culture etc. The designs from Qatar looked impressive and the air cooling in stadiums does work.

No doubt there was back handers to get it to Qatar but to me FIFA is as corrupt as anything and most of the WC bids are likely to be bent I'd blame the almighty FIFA whom are meant to be the Home of Football. Sepp Blatter, c**t.

I might be wrong but Muslims can't drink at all in Qatar and the rest of us can't drink in public.

Yeah your correct, Muslims can't drink @ all. The rest can't drink in public, just like how were not allowed to drink on the way to the ground. (although if caught, I doubt the consequences will be the same ) In bars, hotels etc its fine.

[HashKads]

Talk of stoning of women etc is pure nonsense, Qatar is one of the more liberal GCC states. Women can dress how they like so long as its not too provacative and alcohol is legal, yes its restricted in public but I am sure when the WC comes around there will be designated fan parks, hotels and bars just like the WC this year.

If that part is referring to my post KJ then it really wasn’t a serious comment, just an excuse for a shite joke to be honest.

[Arsenal 1991]

Hypocrisy behind some pro-homosexuall posts here are quite laughable really...considering the fact that in "liberal" England up until 3/12/2010 only one footballer had openly came out as gay and we all know how that story ended.

http://www.petertatchell.net/sport/justin_fashanu.htm


So all in all, when you take in consideration homophobia that spreads over all continents when football fans are concerned, Qatar seems to be perfect choice.




As for FIFA being organization enrooted in corruption...hey, what's new? But that's why I'm struggling to understand argument that British media should have kept it quiet for the sake of our bid...if we kept it quiet, wouldn't that make us corrupt as well? So I say, well played BBC, Tmes etc...

Im being hypocritical???? If you find a post which I've been homophobic I give you 100000 qatari dollars

[MM99]

Completely agree with all the concern over Qatar on this thread, and really cannot understand the support for it.

It was quite blatantly a decision driven by back handed brown envelopes!

The concerns raised with regards to the legality of homosexuality are indeed a huge concern, but this is expected for a country with a near on 80% muslim inhabitancy. Islam is the basis for Shari'ah Law. This "Law" dicates that any married woman who is raped must be stoned to death for adultery, anyone who is a non allah worshipper must either switch allegiance or be killed, anyone who turns their back on allah must also be killed.... its really lovely to be honest.

Ok, none of this will be apparent during the 1 month tournament, but that doesnt mean to say that it doesnt happen, and while i appreciate that Qatar is not a 100% Shari'ah country (Unlike neighbouring Saudi), it is still not a country that lives by the "accepted" way of life in the rest of the world.

You can preach all you like about the English invasion and how they should respect the local cultures, but you would be a hypocrite!
The muslim religion is famed for not integrating, but segregating. They also dont respect local law as they are taught that the word of god (that allah fella) that his and Mohammed's word (the Qu'ran) is law.
Has no one ever wondered why there are Shari'ah law and family courts in England? Did you really think that they would live by british law?

My biggest concern is how all this infrasture is going to be built. I dare say that the same practices will be put in place that helped to build Dubai. For those not in the know, it included sourcing labour workers from near by countries with the promise of a better life, only to then be stripped of their passports and forced to work tirelessly until the job was done (the slave trade in a nutshell).
It is illegal out there to work in anything over 50c, and ironically, work was never stopped. This may have had something to do with the governing powers and media never reporting the temperature to be anything over 49c - hundreds of workers dies building Dubai as a result.

This is a really long, but worthy read on the realities of the above....

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 64368.html

Please dont think for one moment that the stadiums and vast infrastructure will be built legitimately. The Arab world has never and will never do this. This world cup should never have been allowed to happen..... but i guess money talks.

Shit post that looks like it's been taken from the comments section of a daily mail page where uneducated morons 'like' it and give it thumbs up.

[HashKads]

Completely agree with all the concern over Qatar on this thread, and really cannot understand the support for it.

It was quite blatantly a decision driven by back handed brown envelopes!

The concerns raised with regards to the legality of homosexuality are indeed a huge concern, but this is expected for a country with a near on 80% muslim inhabitancy. Islam is the basis for Shari'ah Law. This "Law" dicates that any married woman who is raped must be stoned to death for adultery, anyone who is a non allah worshipper must either switch allegiance or be killed, anyone who turns their back on allah must also be killed.... its really lovely to be honest.

Ok, none of this will be apparent during the 1 month tournament, but that doesnt mean to say that it doesnt happen, and while i appreciate that Qatar is not a 100% Shari'ah country (Unlike neighbouring Saudi), it is still not a country that lives by the "accepted" way of life in the rest of the world.

You can preach all you like about the English invasion and how they should respect the local cultures, but you would be a hypocrite!
The muslim religion is famed for not integrating, but segregating. They also dont respect local law as they are taught that the word of god (that allah fella) that his and Mohammed's word (the Qu'ran) is law.
Has no one ever wondered why there are Shari'ah law and family courts in England? Did you really think that they would live by british law?

My biggest concern is how all this infrasture is going to be built. I dare say that the same practices will be put in place that helped to build Dubai. For those not in the know, it included sourcing labour workers from near by countries with the promise of a better life, only to then be stripped of their passports and forced to work tirelessly until the job was done (the slave trade in a nutshell).
It is illegal out there to work in anything over 50c, and ironically, work was never stopped. This may have had something to do with the governing powers and media never reporting the temperature to be anything over 49c - hundreds of workers dies building Dubai as a result.

This is a really long, but worthy read on the realities of the above....

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 64368.html

Please dont think for one moment that the stadiums and vast infrastructure will be built legitimately. The Arab world has never and will never do this. This world cup should never have been allowed to happen..... but i guess money talks.

Shit post that looks like it's been taken from the comments section of a daily mail page where uneducated morons 'like' it and give it thumbs up.

Spot on. Where abouts in EN2 are you MM99?

[MM99]

Up by The Ridgeway. How about you?

[Jumpers For Goalposts]

Is that right? The stadiums (or stadia if you're dead posh like) are gonna be air-conditioned??

I suppose it can be done as there is a ski-slope in Dubai but how much is that gonna cost and how much gas / oil is that gonna use??

FIFA obviously didn't give two flying fucks about making it a Green World Cup. I suppose the enormous brown envelopes that were left in Blatter's pigeon hole made him forget all about the plight of the Polar Bear - poor little fuckers are gonna drown just so Blatter's wife can get a new conservatory!!

[CraigPollard]

Shit post that looks like it's been taken from the comments section of a daily mail page where uneducated morons 'like' it and give it thumbs up.

Thanks for the constructive criticism MM, although i have never read the Daily Mail, be it in printed or online form and cannot relate to the comments section of their articles either.

May i ask which part of my post implied i am uneducated?

Feel free to disprove anything i posted, but dont just respond to a factual post with such a flippant and pointless reply just because you happen to disagree. It makes you, not me, appear uneducated.

[northbankbren]

Like most here I was fairly angry at the decision over the 2018 2022 wc hosts. I really cant see quatar living up to the promise to give the 3rd world the strucutures of the stadiums. I dont understand why fifa would give two world cups to countries who dont even have the stadiums in place......well i do, we all do, corruption.

What has more angered me is the reaction to the outcome, by not only the media but members of the bidding team. The BBC and the telephraph had the balls to tell it like it is. FIFA is riddled with corruption and greed. BUT up until today an awful lot of the main stream press have been sitting on the fence, questioning whether it was the rite thing to do before the vote, whether it would ruin the bid, nothing about the fact that the uncovered the fact the members of FIFA taking place in the vote were corrupt.

TODAY they all jump on FIFA and question their legitimacy, most of the press have jumped on the BBC/Telegraph bandwagon and are openinly calling FIFA corrupt, wait and see over the coming years how the british media will do all it can to discredit FIFA, but they also went with the official line and sat on the fence until the vote was over.....shame on them.

Then you have certain members of the bidding team coming out and questioning FIFA comments like "they need reform", "something has to be wrong within the organisation", "things need to change", eer hold on a minute, you were basically whoring yourselves and the country to these people up until yesterday. You were willing to deal with corrupt organisation, ignore all the evidence pointing at rigged voting, money laundering, "bribes" and abide by their rules for financial gain. (FIFA/BIDDING TEAM ONE IN THE SAME?) What are the chances old big ears will be scathing on FIFA in his next paper column if he hasnt done one already. He'll bring it up on MOTD and ask what went wrong, they'll question FIFA's integrity blah blah blah.....now all of a sudden we really need to look closely at FIFA and it practices....shame on them too.


Pure hypocrisy.

[HashKads]

Up by The Ridgeway. How about you?

On Windmill Hill.

[Arsenal 1991]

Is that right? The stadiums (or stadia if you're dead posh like) are gonna be air-conditioned??

I suppose it can be done as there is a ski-slope in Dubai but how much is that gonna cost and how much gas / oil is that gonna use??

FIFA obviously didn't give two flying fucks about making it a Green World Cup. I suppose the enormous brown envelopes that were left in Blatter's pigeon hole made him forget all about the plight of the Polar Bear - poor little fuckers are gonna drown just so Blatter's wife can get a new conservatory!!

these two world cups are surely going to be the least green ever. I just can't wait till the oil runs dry and we stop using gas (if we ever do). Theres going to be stadiums sitting there doing nothing, like south africa.

The legacy part is a load of rubbish, if they wanted to be good at football then Im sure they could have been. The south african world cup had a chance of leaving a legacy as they have lots of great footballers and are football mad. How many middle eastern footballers do you know??? Russia over Spain/Portugal or England for a football world cup is madness. No sane football person would have made that choice. Makes perfect sense for a politician though

[MM99]

Shit post that looks like it's been taken from the comments section of a daily mail page where uneducated morons 'like' it and give it thumbs up.

Thanks for the constructive criticism MM, although i have never read the Daily Mail, be it in printed or online form and cannot relate to the comments section of their articles either.

May i ask which part of my post implied i am uneducated?

Feel free to disprove anything i posted, but dont just respond to a factual post with such a flippant and pointless reply just because you happen to disagree. It makes you, not me, appear uneducated.

The fact that you were harping on about the whole Sharia law thing just as ever other Muslim-bashing person does, as though they are all suddenly experts on Sharia law. It also makes me laugh when they start quoting passages in the Quran that non-Muslims must be converted or killed, something that you've referred to in your post, not realising that the websites in which they are taking these 'honest literal translations' from are in fact hugely out of context and can only be truly understood if you read it in Arabic. So if you've actually read the Quran and that is the viewpoint that you've understood please tell me, otherwise you really shouldn't be commenting on something that you have little understanding of, especially when it's based off of what other people have interpreted in an attempt to discredit Islam.

Me personally, i am not religous and have a very relaxed view on life. However, one thing i can't stand is seeing the same ridiculous arguments being repeated all over the internet that are simply xenophobic and intended to create hate and intolerance amongst people.

[MM99]

Up by The Ridgeway. How about you?

On Windmill Hill.

Oh so just a couple of minutes from each other then. You wouldn't happen to live in one of those new-ish flats would you?

[Jumpers For Goalposts]

Up by The Ridgeway. How about you?

On Windmill Hill.

Oh so just a couple of minutes from each other then. You wouldn't happen to live in one of those new-ish flats would you?

Ahhhh - this is so sweet. An on-line courtship. You two'll be doing it Up The Ridgeway soon . . . . .

(Cue the response accusing me of being xenophobic, homophobic and a Daily Mail reader!)

[CraigPollard]

Shit post that looks like it's been taken from the comments section of a daily mail page where uneducated morons 'like' it and give it thumbs up.

Thanks for the constructive criticism MM, although i have never read the Daily Mail, be it in printed or online form and cannot relate to the comments section of their articles either.

May i ask which part of my post implied i am uneducated?

Feel free to disprove anything i posted, but dont just respond to a factual post with such a flippant and pointless reply just because you happen to disagree. It makes you, not me, appear uneducated.

The fact that you were harping on about the whole Sharia law thing just as ever other Muslim-bashing person does, as though they are all suddenly experts on Sharia law. It also makes me laugh when they start quoting passages in the Quran that non-Muslims must be converted or killed, something that you've referred to in your post, not realising that the websites in which they are taking these 'honest literal translations' from are in fact hugely out of context and can only be truly understood if you read it in Arabic. So if you've actually read the Quran and that is the viewpoint that you've understood please tell me, otherwise you really shouldn't be commenting on something that you have little understanding of, especially when it's based off of what other people have interpreted in an attempt to discredit Islam.

Me personally, i am not religous and have a very relaxed view on life. However, one thing i can't stand is seeing the same ridiculous arguments being repeated all over the internet that are simply xenophobic and intended to create hate and intolerance amongst people.

Fair comment, although you have extended on my post somewhat.

My references to the Quran were in relation to the homosexual related posts earlier. I referenced Shari'ah law as this is the law that dictates homosexuality to be illegal and there is no denying that this "law" is based on the afforementioned book. My comparissons to other aspects (i.e. public stoning/religious conversion etc) were founded as they come from the same "law"/book.
I agree that Qatar is a much more liberal place than Saudi for example, but this barbaric belief towards homosexuality is shocking.

Bottom line, this is a football forum and i dont wish to clog it up with religious based posts. I dare say that this will end in an "agree to disagree" situation anyway.
Should you wish to continue the discussion, feel free to send me a PM and we can continue offline (well, without boring everyone else anyway)

Now, Back to the football.....