Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[begeegs]

I was a big critic of Arteta, but he is slowly proving me wrong. The partnerships that are forming in the defense is really encouraging. Considering the shortfalls in the squad that everyone agrees with, we are in striking distance of the top 4. The team has more fight and some cynicism in it which it didn't with Wenger.

There is still a lot of room for improvement, but with another year of experience from some of the younger players along with a more mobile centre-mid and a goal scorer-hold up player, things are looking up. I no longer hide behind the sofa against most of the big teams, except Liverpool.

[DB10GOONER]

For me it's about expectations. If the club are charging top prices for ST and match tickets then the fans have a right to expect the club to compete at the top for trophies. If however the club are happy enough to call finishing 4th a success then OK that's fine but reduce the ticket prices accordingly. They can't have it both ways.

Oh! But They Can and they Will.

It was rhetoric mate. I'm well aware of the way the club is run.

[DB10GOONER]

I was a big critic of Arteta, but he is slowly proving me wrong. The partnerships that are forming in the defense is really encouraging. Considering the shortfalls in the squad that everyone agrees with, we are in striking distance of the top 4. The team has more fight and some cynicism in it which it didn't with Wenger.

There is still a lot of room for improvement, but with another year of experience from some of the younger players along with a more mobile centre-mid and a goal scorer-hold up player, things are looking up. I no longer hide behind the sofa against most of the big teams, except Liverpool.

I'm nowhere near there, mate. Not yet anyway. Wish I was. But for me his inexperience and really basic mistakes like his insistence on starting every game with the club's worst player tell me it will end badly.

That's my honest opinion. 40 years of watching and playing football has taught me certain basics about the game that almost always hold true. One of those basics is that experience is vital. Especially at the top level. Again, that's my opinion, which I'm entitled to.

We have improved. Not as hugely as some seem to think. But it's more complex than that. We have to also consider that the PL is at its worst quality wise in years and that our two main rivals for fourth are in absolute comedy shitsville. That to me is the truth of where we are currently.

Next bit is in no way aimed at you mate. Just a general comment.

I'm at a point where I don't give a shit if we have certain punters on here pontificating about "agendas" because someone has the temerity to disagree with them. Fuck them. It's a forum. It's about opinions. And I will express my opinion however the fuck I want to. We had this stupid shit going on during Wenger's reign where the AKB had no cohesive argument to offer so resorted to telling anyone that didn't blindly follow Wenger that they weren't true Gooners and to "fuck off and support the chav", or that it was all about "agendas". I've noticed since we've had another little run of good form that this kind of smarmy shit is creeping in again. But then when we have disastrous runs those same people have fuck all to say.

Fuck that.

I spent months and months on here settling petty spats and banning idiots during the poisonous last days of the Wenger reign, trying to keep the place as welcoming for both sides of that divide as possible. We lost a few really great posters on here during the Wenger days and I'd hate to see that happen again because a minority of intolerant loud mouths could not hold an intelligent respectful debate. Most people don't know how close we came to being permanently shut down back then. We cannot let this forum end up like that again. We may need to tighten up the rules on what is acceptable. Banter is fine. The odd flare up or argument is fine, it happens. But the insidious shit like questioning people's motives or their loyalty as supporters is not fine. I don't want to be banning people - and this is probably the hardest forum to get banned off - but if it's for the greater good then it is an option.

All opinions are welcome on here, once the person posting is respectful of other posters rights to express their opinion also.

As far as Martinez-Lite goes, when he played for us I was one of the few on here that could see his value to the team in his first two seasons as a DM. I often defended him. I'd love to see him prove a lot of us wrong and be a hugely successful manager for us. The same way I've wanted every Arsenal manager to succeed. You'd have to be a fucking idiot not to, ffs.

But I'm not standing for anyone telling me I have an agenda because I disagree with their opinion. That's insulting and it's wuming and it won't wash on here.

Rant over.

[the playing mantis]

I was a big critic of Arteta, but he is slowly proving me wrong. The partnerships that are forming in the defense is really encouraging. Considering the shortfalls in the squad that everyone agrees with, we are in striking distance of the top 4. The team has more fight and some cynicism in it which it didn't with Wenger.

There is still a lot of room for improvement, but with another year of experience from some of the younger players along with a more mobile centre-mid and a goal scorer-hold up player, things are looking up. I no longer hide behind the sofa against most of the big teams, except Liverpool.

I'm nowhere near there, mate. Not yet anyway. Wish I was. But for me his inexperience and really basic mistakes like his insistence on starting every game with the club's worst player tell me it will end badly.

That's my honest opinion. 40 years of watching and playing football has taught me certain basics about the game that almost always hold true. One of those basics is that experience is vital. Especially at the top level. Again, that's my opinion, which I'm entitled to.

We have improved. Not as hugely as some seem to think. But it's more complex than that. We have to also consider that the PL is at its worst quality wise in years and that our two main rivals for fourth are in absolute comedy shitsville. That to me is the truth of where we are currently.

Next bit is in no way aimed at you mate. Just a general comment.

I'm at a point where I don't give a shit if we have certain punters on here pontificating about "agendas" because someone has the temerity to disagree with them. Fuck them. It's a forum. It's about opinions. And I will express my opinion however the fuck I want to. We had this stupid shit going on during Wenger's reign where the AKB had no cohesive argument to offer so resorted to telling anyone that didn't blindly follow Wenger that they weren't true Gooners and to "fuck off and support the chav", or that it was all about "agendas". I've noticed since we've had another little run of good form that this kind of smarmy shit is creeping in again. But then when we have disastrous runs those same people have fuck all to say.

Fuck that.

I spent months and months on here settling petty spats and banning idiots during the poisonous last days of the Wenger reign, trying to keep the place as welcoming for both sides of that divide as possible. We lost a few really great posters on here during the Wenger days and I'd hate to see that happen again because a minority of intolerant loud mouths could not hold an intelligent respectful debate. Most people don't know how close we came to being permanently shut down back then. We cannot let this forum end up like that again. We may need to tighten up the rules on what is acceptable. Banter is fine. The odd flare up or argument is fine, it happens. But the insidious shit like questioning people's motives or their loyalty as supporters is not fine. I don't want to be banning people - and this is probably the hardest forum to get banned off - but if it's for the greater good then it is an option.

All opinions are welcome on here, once the person posting is respectful of other posters rights to express their opinion also.

As far as Martinez-Lite goes, when he played for us I was one of the few on here that could see his value to the team in his first two seasons as a DM. I often defended him. I'd love to see him prove a lot of us wrong and be a hugely successful manager for us. The same way I've wanted every Arsenal manager to succeed. You'd have to be a fucking idiot not to, ffs.

But I'm not standing for anyone telling me I have an agenda because I disagree with their opinion. That's insulting and it's wuming and it won't wash on here.

Rant over.

jeez time of the month?



i haven't seen mention of agendas since you banned the wum who called us mentally ill for questioning arteta...most of us are mentally ill in some way, i certainly am, but not on that front, but i still think we are a gnats fart from losing the recent games we won and see no solidity. Maybe its years of crap but i have zero confidence in the team, either before a game or during it when in a winning positions. Even in the fag end of wenger there were some games you knew we would win easily, not any more. I concur its more to do with the basket cases of scum and united and leicester to an extent that we find ourselves best placed for 4th. I still don't think we will come top 4 as think we will bottle the games against our immediate rivals.

yes we are better than we were, at least results and spirit wise (or spirwit as AW used to say) I don't think Arteta has progressed us anymore than any not totally inept manager could. We have a good set of young players and some lucked out signings, i maintain a more experienced manager could get a better tune out of most of them.

[OneBardGooner]

I was a big critic of Arteta, but he is slowly proving me wrong. The partnerships that are forming in the defense is really encouraging. Considering the shortfalls in the squad that everyone agrees with, we are in striking distance of the top 4. The team has more fight and some cynicism in it which it didn't with Wenger.

There is still a lot of room for improvement, but with another year of experience from some of the younger players along with a more mobile centre-mid and a goal scorer-hold up player, things are looking up. I no longer hide behind the sofa against most of the big teams, except Liverpool.

I'm nowhere near there, mate. Not yet anyway. Wish I was. But for me his inexperience and really basic mistakes like his insistence on starting every game with the club's worst player tell me it will end badly.

That's my honest opinion. 40 years of watching and playing football has taught me certain basics about the game that almost always hold true. One of those basics is that experience is vital. Especially at the top level. Again, that's my opinion, which I'm entitled to.

We have improved. Not as hugely as some seem to think. But it's more complex than that. We have to also consider that the PL is at its worst quality wise in years and that our two main rivals for fourth are in absolute comedy shitsville. That to me is the truth of where we are currently.

Next bit is in no way aimed at you mate. Just a general comment.

I'm at a point where I don't give a shit if we have certain punters on here pontificating about "agendas" because someone has the temerity to disagree with them. Fuck them. It's a forum. It's about opinions. And I will express my opinion however the fuck I want to. We had this stupid shit going on during Wenger's reign where the AKB had no cohesive argument to offer so resorted to telling anyone that didn't blindly follow Wenger that they weren't true Gooners and to "fuck off and support the chav", or that it was all about "agendas". I've noticed since we've had another little run of good form that this kind of smarmy shit is creeping in again. But then when we have disastrous runs those same people have fuck all to say.

Fuck that.

I spent months and months on here settling petty spats and banning idiots during the poisonous last days of the Wenger reign, trying to keep the place as welcoming for both sides of that divide as possible. We lost a few really great posters on here during the Wenger days and I'd hate to see that happen again because a minority of intolerant loud mouths could not hold an intelligent respectful debate. Most people don't know how close we came to being permanently shut down back then. We cannot let this forum end up like that again. We may need to tighten up the rules on what is acceptable. Banter is fine. The odd flare up or argument is fine, it happens. But the insidious shit like questioning people's motives or their loyalty as supporters is not fine. I don't want to be banning people - and this is probably the hardest forum to get banned off - but if it's for the greater good then it is an option.

All opinions are welcome on here, once the person posting is respectful of other posters rights to express their opinion also.

As far as Martinez-Lite goes, when he played for us I was one of the few on here that could see his value to the team in his first two seasons as a DM. I often defended him. I'd love to see him prove a lot of us wrong and be a hugely successful manager for us. The same way I've wanted every Arsenal manager to succeed. You'd have to be a fucking idiot not to, ffs.

But I'm not standing for anyone telling me I have an agenda because I disagree with their opinion. That's insulting and it's wuming and it won't wash on here.

Rant over.

jeez time of the month?



i haven't seen mention of agendas since you banned the wum who called us mentally ill for questioning arteta...most of us are mentally ill in some way, i certainly am, but not on that front, but i still think we are a gnats fart from losing the recent games we won and see no solidity. Maybe its years of crap but i have zero confidence in the team, either before a game or during it when in a winning positions. Even in the fag end of wenger there were some games you knew we would win easily, not any more. I concur its more to do with the basket cases of scum and united and leicester to an extent that we find ourselves best placed for 4th. I still don't think we will come top 4 as think we will bottle the games against our immediate rivals.

yes we are better than we were, at least results and spirit wise (or spirwit as AW used to say) I don't think Arteta has progressed us anymore than any not totally inept manager could. We have a good set of young players and some lucked out signings, i maintain a more experienced manager could get a better tune out of most of them.

I am guessing when you use the term "more experienced manager", you are not referring to the likes of Hodgson, Fat Sam or Steve Bruce!? - because like it or not they ARE more experienced in the area of Managing Football Teams.

[wibble]

All opinions are welcome on here, once the person posting is respectful of other posters rights to express their opinion also.

I would just like to take this opportunity to express my opinion that Xhaka is our best player. Of all time

[SteveO 35]

I was a big critic of Arteta, but he is slowly proving me wrong. The partnerships that are forming in the defense is really encouraging. Considering the shortfalls in the squad that everyone agrees with, we are in striking distance of the top 4. The team has more fight and some cynicism in it which it didn't with Wenger.

There is still a lot of room for improvement, but with another year of experience from some of the younger players along with a more mobile centre-mid and a goal scorer-hold up player, things are looking up. I no longer hide behind the sofa against most of the big teams, except Liverpool.

I'm nowhere near there, mate. Not yet anyway. Wish I was. But for me his inexperience and really basic mistakes like his insistence on starting every game with the club's worst player tell me it will end badly.

That's my honest opinion. 40 years of watching and playing football has taught me certain basics about the game that almost always hold true. One of those basics is that experience is vital. Especially at the top level. Again, that's my opinion, which I'm entitled to.

We have improved. Not as hugely as some seem to think. But it's more complex than that. We have to also consider that the PL is at its worst quality wise in years and that our two main rivals for fourth are in absolute comedy shitsville. That to me is the truth of where we are currently.

Next bit is in no way aimed at you mate. Just a general comment.

I'm at a point where I don't give a shit if we have certain punters on here pontificating about "agendas" because someone has the temerity to disagree with them. Fuck them. It's a forum. It's about opinions. And I will express my opinion however the fuck I want to. We had this stupid shit going on during Wenger's reign where the AKB had no cohesive argument to offer so resorted to telling anyone that didn't blindly follow Wenger that they weren't true Gooners and to "fuck off and support the chav", or that it was all about "agendas". I've noticed since we've had another little run of good form that this kind of smarmy shit is creeping in again. But then when we have disastrous runs those same people have fuck all to say.

Fuck that.

I spent months and months on here settling petty spats and banning idiots during the poisonous last days of the Wenger reign, trying to keep the place as welcoming for both sides of that divide as possible. We lost a few really great posters on here during the Wenger days and I'd hate to see that happen again because a minority of intolerant loud mouths could not hold an intelligent respectful debate. Most people don't know how close we came to being permanently shut down back then. We cannot let this forum end up like that again. We may need to tighten up the rules on what is acceptable. Banter is fine. The odd flare up or argument is fine, it happens. But the insidious shit like questioning people's motives or their loyalty as supporters is not fine. I don't want to be banning people - and this is probably the hardest forum to get banned off - but if it's for the greater good then it is an option.

All opinions are welcome on here, once the person posting is respectful of other posters rights to express their opinion also.

As far as Martinez-Lite goes, when he played for us I was one of the few on here that could see his value to the team in his first two seasons as a DM. I often defended him. I'd love to see him prove a lot of us wrong and be a hugely successful manager for us. The same way I've wanted every Arsenal manager to succeed. You'd have to be a fucking idiot not to, ffs.

But I'm not standing for anyone telling me I have an agenda because I disagree with their opinion. That's insulting and it's wuming and it won't wash on here.

Rant over.

I read that word for word and my first reaction was "oooooh
......scary Irish man"

It's nice that on reflection you've recognised that losing some of our best posters was a bad thing. With that in mind I've contacted Red Member and Baba and they've accepted your apology and ready to return

Red did say he wanted to start the Xhaka is underpaid thread but i said I'd check with you first

[mcdowell42]

SteveO good to see those 2 legends get a mention

[DB10GOONER]

All opinions are welcome on here, once the person posting is respectful of other posters rights to express their opinion also.

I would just like to take this opportunity to express my opinion that Xhaka is our best player. Of all time

Interesting that you misspell "biggest cùnt" exactly how I spell "best player".

[DB10GOONER]

I was a big critic of Arteta, but he is slowly proving me wrong. The partnerships that are forming in the defense is really encouraging. Considering the shortfalls in the squad that everyone agrees with, we are in striking distance of the top 4. The team has more fight and some cynicism in it which it didn't with Wenger.

There is still a lot of room for improvement, but with another year of experience from some of the younger players along with a more mobile centre-mid and a goal scorer-hold up player, things are looking up. I no longer hide behind the sofa against most of the big teams, except Liverpool.

I'm nowhere near there, mate. Not yet anyway. Wish I was. But for me his inexperience and really basic mistakes like his insistence on starting every game with the club's worst player tell me it will end badly.

That's my honest opinion. 40 years of watching and playing football has taught me certain basics about the game that almost always hold true. One of those basics is that experience is vital. Especially at the top level. Again, that's my opinion, which I'm entitled to.

We have improved. Not as hugely as some seem to think. But it's more complex than that. We have to also consider that the PL is at its worst quality wise in years and that our two main rivals for fourth are in absolute comedy shitsville. That to me is the truth of where we are currently.

Next bit is in no way aimed at you mate. Just a general comment.

I'm at a point where I don't give a shit if we have certain punters on here pontificating about "agendas" because someone has the temerity to disagree with them. Fuck them. It's a forum. It's about opinions. And I will express my opinion however the fuck I want to. We had this stupid shit going on during Wenger's reign where the AKB had no cohesive argument to offer so resorted to telling anyone that didn't blindly follow Wenger that they weren't true Gooners and to "fuck off and support the chav", or that it was all about "agendas". I've noticed since we've had another little run of good form that this kind of smarmy shit is creeping in again. But then when we have disastrous runs those same people have fuck all to say.

Fuck that.

I spent months and months on here settling petty spats and banning idiots during the poisonous last days of the Wenger reign, trying to keep the place as welcoming for both sides of that divide as possible. We lost a few really great posters on here during the Wenger days and I'd hate to see that happen again because a minority of intolerant loud mouths could not hold an intelligent respectful debate. Most people don't know how close we came to being permanently shut down back then. We cannot let this forum end up like that again. We may need to tighten up the rules on what is acceptable. Banter is fine. The odd flare up or argument is fine, it happens. But the insidious shit like questioning people's motives or their loyalty as supporters is not fine. I don't want to be banning people - and this is probably the hardest forum to get banned off - but if it's for the greater good then it is an option.

All opinions are welcome on here, once the person posting is respectful of other posters rights to express their opinion also.

As far as Martinez-Lite goes, when he played for us I was one of the few on here that could see his value to the team in his first two seasons as a DM. I often defended him. I'd love to see him prove a lot of us wrong and be a hugely successful manager for us. The same way I've wanted every Arsenal manager to succeed. You'd have to be a fucking idiot not to, ffs.

But I'm not standing for anyone telling me I have an agenda because I disagree with their opinion. That's insulting and it's wuming and it won't wash on here.

Rant over.

I read that word for word and my first reaction was "oooooh
......scary Irish man"

It's nice that on reflection you've recognised that losing some of our best posters was a bad thing. With that in mind I've contacted Red Member and Baba and they've accepted your apology and ready to return

Red did say he wanted to start the Xhaka is underpaid thread but i said I'd check with you first

I love that episode.

Baba's French cousin might have a line on getting a cheap replacement from Ligue 2 for Laca.....

[DB10GOONER]

I was a big critic of Arteta, but he is slowly proving me wrong. The partnerships that are forming in the defense is really encouraging. Considering the shortfalls in the squad that everyone agrees with, we are in striking distance of the top 4. The team has more fight and some cynicism in it which it didn't with Wenger.

There is still a lot of room for improvement, but with another year of experience from some of the younger players along with a more mobile centre-mid and a goal scorer-hold up player, things are looking up. I no longer hide behind the sofa against most of the big teams, except Liverpool.

I'm nowhere near there, mate. Not yet anyway. Wish I was. But for me his inexperience and really basic mistakes like his insistence on starting every game with the club's worst player tell me it will end badly.

That's my honest opinion. 40 years of watching and playing football has taught me certain basics about the game that almost always hold true. One of those basics is that experience is vital. Especially at the top level. Again, that's my opinion, which I'm entitled to.

We have improved. Not as hugely as some seem to think. But it's more complex than that. We have to also consider that the PL is at its worst quality wise in years and that our two main rivals for fourth are in absolute comedy shitsville. That to me is the truth of where we are currently.

Next bit is in no way aimed at you mate. Just a general comment.

I'm at a point where I don't give a shit if we have certain punters on here pontificating about "agendas" because someone has the temerity to disagree with them. Fuck them. It's a forum. It's about opinions. And I will express my opinion however the fuck I want to. We had this stupid shit going on during Wenger's reign where the AKB had no cohesive argument to offer so resorted to telling anyone that didn't blindly follow Wenger that they weren't true Gooners and to "fuck off and support the chav", or that it was all about "agendas". I've noticed since we've had another little run of good form that this kind of smarmy shit is creeping in again. But then when we have disastrous runs those same people have fuck all to say.

Fuck that.

I spent months and months on here settling petty spats and banning idiots during the poisonous last days of the Wenger reign, trying to keep the place as welcoming for both sides of that divide as possible. We lost a few really great posters on here during the Wenger days and I'd hate to see that happen again because a minority of intolerant loud mouths could not hold an intelligent respectful debate. Most people don't know how close we came to being permanently shut down back then. We cannot let this forum end up like that again. We may need to tighten up the rules on what is acceptable. Banter is fine. The odd flare up or argument is fine, it happens. But the insidious shit like questioning people's motives or their loyalty as supporters is not fine. I don't want to be banning people - and this is probably the hardest forum to get banned off - but if it's for the greater good then it is an option.

All opinions are welcome on here, once the person posting is respectful of other posters rights to express their opinion also.

As far as Martinez-Lite goes, when he played for us I was one of the few on here that could see his value to the team in his first two seasons as a DM. I often defended him. I'd love to see him prove a lot of us wrong and be a hugely successful manager for us. The same way I've wanted every Arsenal manager to succeed. You'd have to be a fucking idiot not to, ffs.

But I'm not standing for anyone telling me I have an agenda because I disagree with their opinion. That's insulting and it's wuming and it won't wash on here.

Rant over.

jeez time of the month?



i haven't seen mention of agendas since you banned the wum who called us mentally ill for questioning arteta...most of us are mentally ill in some way, i certainly am, but not on that front, but i still think we are a gnats fart from losing the recent games we won and see no solidity. Maybe its years of crap but i have zero confidence in the team, either before a game or during it when in a winning positions. Even in the fag end of wenger there were some games you knew we would win easily, not any more. I concur its more to do with the basket cases of scum and united and leicester to an extent that we find ourselves best placed for 4th. I still don't think we will come top 4 as think we will bottle the games against our immediate rivals.

yes we are better than we were, at least results and spirit wise (or spirwit as AW used to say) I don't think Arteta has progressed us anymore than any not totally inept manager could. We have a good set of young players and some lucked out signings, i maintain a more experienced manager could get a better tune out of most of them.

Did you just assume my gender?!

[A11M11]

Why what are you identifying as ?

[OneBardGooner]

All opinions are welcome on here, once the person posting is respectful of other posters rights to express their opinion also.

I would just like to take this opportunity to express my opinion that Xhaka is our best player. Of all time

I would just like to respond to Wibble by saying he has indeed lost his marbles and thrown a wobble.

[OneBardGooner]

I was a big critic of Arteta, but he is slowly proving me wrong. The partnerships that are forming in the defense is really encouraging. Considering the shortfalls in the squad that everyone agrees with, we are in striking distance of the top 4. The team has more fight and some cynicism in it which it didn't with Wenger.

There is still a lot of room for improvement, but with another year of experience from some of the younger players along with a more mobile centre-mid and a goal scorer-hold up player, things are looking up. I no longer hide behind the sofa against most of the big teams, except Liverpool.

I'm nowhere near there, mate. Not yet anyway. Wish I was. But for me his inexperience and really basic mistakes like his insistence on starting every game with the club's worst player tell me it will end badly.

That's my honest opinion. 40 years of watching and playing football has taught me certain basics about the game that almost always hold true. One of those basics is that experience is vital. Especially at the top level. Again, that's my opinion, which I'm entitled to.

We have improved. Not as hugely as some seem to think. But it's more complex than that. We have to also consider that the PL is at its worst quality wise in years and that our two main rivals for fourth are in absolute comedy shitsville. That to me is the truth of where we are currently.

Next bit is in no way aimed at you mate. Just a general comment.

I'm at a point where I don't give a shit if we have certain punters on here pontificating about "agendas" because someone has the temerity to disagree with them. Fuck them. It's a forum. It's about opinions. And I will express my opinion however the fuck I want to. We had this stupid shit going on during Wenger's reign where the AKB had no cohesive argument to offer so resorted to telling anyone that didn't blindly follow Wenger that they weren't true Gooners and to "fuck off and support the chav", or that it was all about "agendas". I've noticed since we've had another little run of good form that this kind of smarmy shit is creeping in again. But then when we have disastrous runs those same people have fuck all to say.

Fuck that.

I spent months and months on here settling petty spats and banning idiots during the poisonous last days of the Wenger reign, trying to keep the place as welcoming for both sides of that divide as possible. We lost a few really great posters on here during the Wenger days and I'd hate to see that happen again because a minority of intolerant loud mouths could not hold an intelligent respectful debate. Most people don't know how close we came to being permanently shut down back then. We cannot let this forum end up like that again. We may need to tighten up the rules on what is acceptable. Banter is fine. The odd flare up or argument is fine, it happens. But the insidious shit like questioning people's motives or their loyalty as supporters is not fine. I don't want to be banning people - and this is probably the hardest forum to get banned off - but if it's for the greater good then it is an option.

All opinions are welcome on here, once the person posting is respectful of other posters rights to express their opinion also.

As far as Martinez-Lite goes, when he played for us I was one of the few on here that could see his value to the team in his first two seasons as a DM. I often defended him. I'd love to see him prove a lot of us wrong and be a hugely successful manager for us. The same way I've wanted every Arsenal manager to succeed. You'd have to be a fucking idiot not to, ffs.

But I'm not standing for anyone telling me I have an agenda because I disagree with their opinion. That's insulting and it's wuming and it won't wash on here.

Rant over.

jeez time of the month?



i haven't seen mention of agendas since you banned the wum who called us mentally ill for questioning arteta...most of us are mentally ill in some way, i certainly am, but not on that front, but i still think we are a gnats fart from losing the recent games we won and see no solidity. Maybe its years of crap but i have zero confidence in the team, either before a game or during it when in a winning positions. Even in the fag end of wenger there were some games you knew we would win easily, not any more. I concur its more to do with the basket cases of scum and united and leicester to an extent that we find ourselves best placed for 4th. I still don't think we will come top 4 as think we will bottle the games against our immediate rivals.

yes we are better than we were, at least results and spirit wise (or spirwit as AW used to say) I don't think Arteta has progressed us anymore than any not totally inept manager could. We have a good set of young players and some lucked out signings, i maintain a more experienced manager could get a better tune out of most of them.

Did you just assume my gender?!

Awww! Come On Mate! We can always tell when you are "On The Blob" - The ole Tomato Ketchup !!

[DB10GOONER]

I was a big critic of Arteta, but he is slowly proving me wrong. The partnerships that are forming in the defense is really encouraging. Considering the shortfalls in the squad that everyone agrees with, we are in striking distance of the top 4. The team has more fight and some cynicism in it which it didn't with Wenger.

There is still a lot of room for improvement, but with another year of experience from some of the younger players along with a more mobile centre-mid and a goal scorer-hold up player, things are looking up. I no longer hide behind the sofa against most of the big teams, except Liverpool.

I'm nowhere near there, mate. Not yet anyway. Wish I was. But for me his inexperience and really basic mistakes like his insistence on starting every game with the club's worst player tell me it will end badly.

That's my honest opinion. 40 years of watching and playing football has taught me certain basics about the game that almost always hold true. One of those basics is that experience is vital. Especially at the top level. Again, that's my opinion, which I'm entitled to.

We have improved. Not as hugely as some seem to think. But it's more complex than that. We have to also consider that the PL is at its worst quality wise in years and that our two main rivals for fourth are in absolute comedy shitsville. That to me is the truth of where we are currently.

Next bit is in no way aimed at you mate. Just a general comment.

I'm at a point where I don't give a shit if we have certain punters on here pontificating about "agendas" because someone has the temerity to disagree with them. Fuck them. It's a forum. It's about opinions. And I will express my opinion however the fuck I want to. We had this stupid shit going on during Wenger's reign where the AKB had no cohesive argument to offer so resorted to telling anyone that didn't blindly follow Wenger that they weren't true Gooners and to "fuck off and support the chav", or that it was all about "agendas". I've noticed since we've had another little run of good form that this kind of smarmy shit is creeping in again. But then when we have disastrous runs those same people have fuck all to say.

Fuck that.

I spent months and months on here settling petty spats and banning idiots during the poisonous last days of the Wenger reign, trying to keep the place as welcoming for both sides of that divide as possible. We lost a few really great posters on here during the Wenger days and I'd hate to see that happen again because a minority of intolerant loud mouths could not hold an intelligent respectful debate. Most people don't know how close we came to being permanently shut down back then. We cannot let this forum end up like that again. We may need to tighten up the rules on what is acceptable. Banter is fine. The odd flare up or argument is fine, it happens. But the insidious shit like questioning people's motives or their loyalty as supporters is not fine. I don't want to be banning people - and this is probably the hardest forum to get banned off - but if it's for the greater good then it is an option.

All opinions are welcome on here, once the person posting is respectful of other posters rights to express their opinion also.

As far as Martinez-Lite goes, when he played for us I was one of the few on here that could see his value to the team in his first two seasons as a DM. I often defended him. I'd love to see him prove a lot of us wrong and be a hugely successful manager for us. The same way I've wanted every Arsenal manager to succeed. You'd have to be a fucking idiot not to, ffs.

But I'm not standing for anyone telling me I have an agenda because I disagree with their opinion. That's insulting and it's wuming and it won't wash on here.

Rant over.

jeez time of the month?



i haven't seen mention of agendas since you banned the wum who called us mentally ill for questioning arteta...most of us are mentally ill in some way, i certainly am, but not on that front, but i still think we are a gnats fart from losing the recent games we won and see no solidity. Maybe its years of crap but i have zero confidence in the team, either before a game or during it when in a winning positions. Even in the fag end of wenger there were some games you knew we would win easily, not any more. I concur its more to do with the basket cases of scum and united and leicester to an extent that we find ourselves best placed for 4th. I still don't think we will come top 4 as think we will bottle the games against our immediate rivals.

yes we are better than we were, at least results and spirit wise (or spirwit as AW used to say) I don't think Arteta has progressed us anymore than any not totally inept manager could. We have a good set of young players and some lucked out signings, i maintain a more experienced manager could get a better tune out of most of them.

Did you just assume my gender?!

Awww! Come On Mate! We can always tell when you are "On The Blob" - The ole Tomato Ketchup !!

Racist.