THE WENGER THREAD

[Blade]

The only logical conclusion is: sabotage.

[Eboue-Why?]

Has he gone yet?

[blair207]

We have plumbed the depths in recent years, but I think we are a new low.

How can Ox's contract not have been sorted a year ago, either way?

How can the sale of Sanchez be left so late when everyone knows he is going? No business would ever chuck away £70m odd, which is what we would lose in June next year. He's going.

Wenger has lost it, but we have known that for some years. You can't blame him for clinging to the wreckage, it is human nature.

The fault lies not with Wenger but the Board. Gazidis cannot be completely stupid - he runs a billion pound business. I think Kroenke has told him that Wenger is going nowhere and if Gazidis doesn't like it and put on a happy face about it all then he can FO. Therefore, I can only believe there is a plan is place in terms of agreed deals prior to the deadline. We would not sell Ox and Sanchez unless there were replacements. It just could not happen.

The Wenger situation is more complex. Kroenke effectively owns the club, and he can appoint whoever he wants to do whatever he wants. He doesn't live in this country and so probably doesn't give a FF about it all.

The next two days are pivotal. If the right players come in, whoever is managing the team is less important. Wenger should have gone long ago, we all know that, but as long as Kroenke wants him there, he will probably stay.

My philosophy in life is you address the reality, and not focus on trying to change things that are very much outside our control . Maybe Wenger will fall on his sword, but that's probably the only way it's going to happen. He certainly knows what people think.

And, if it is going to happen, then this maybe is the time it's going to.

I wouldn't be so sure

I agree totally. These players are being sold for purely financial reasons not part of some plan. The squad is bloated with players no one else wants on wages no one would pay. Lacazette is the replacement for the Ox and Sanchez.

[supergeorgegraham]

Mustafi is the strangest of the lot. 35 Million defender in only his second season having to leave because he does not get on with his team mates. In my world you lock them in a room and as adults tell them to sort their shit out.
No we loan not sell him to Inter Milan thus losing the club 35 Million pounds and a defender short.
It's obvious Wenger must go now but Kroenke is also a massive problem which you all will turn your attention too once Wenger has gone and the new manager has taken over.
We are broken from top to bottom and need a complete change in board and owner.

[General]

Mustafi is the strangest of the lot. 35 Million defender in only his second season having to leave because he does not get on with his team mates. In my world you lock them in a room and as adults tell them to sort their shit out.
No we loan not sell him to Inter Milan thus losing the club 35 Million pounds and a defender short.
It's obvious Wenger must go now but Kroenke is also a massive problem which you all will turn your attention too once Wenger has gone and the new manager has taken over.
We are broken from top to bottom and need a complete change in board and owner.

This kind of thing goes on because Wonga is non confrontational and the players take his leniency to be his weakness.
Remember when Adebayor headbutted Bendtner on the pitch. Apparently this started from the dressing room and ended up on the pitch. The Gallas interview in France about our players being pampered etc.
I also remember when Eboue was sent off by Mike Dean for kicking out at a scum player a couple of years ago and we ended up playing large parts of the game with 10men. This was before an international break and when Eboue was asked whether Wenger has spoken to him about his behaviour, he said not a single word.

The non confrontational approach is great for Wonga because it allows him to tow the bottom line and he never loses the dressing room. Spare the rod spoil the child. This is why you get these weird off colour performances where the players look like they are on holiday because they take his leniency to be his weakness.

Any dissenting voices are silently ushered out of the club leaving the sheep to perpetuate his failed philosophies.

There is a lot of talk of him not surviving the current mutiny and whiles I want to believe this you just know the great escapist is going to turn it around.

[xisstential]

Mustafi is the strangest of the lot. 35 Million defender in only his second season having to leave because he does not get on with his team mates. In my world you lock them in a room and as adults tell them to sort their shit out.
No we loan not sell him to Inter Milan thus losing the club 35 Million pounds and a defender short.
It's obvious Wenger must go now but Kroenke is also a massive problem which you all will turn your attention too once Wenger has gone and the new manager has taken over.
We are broken from top to bottom and need a complete change in board and owner.

This kind of thing goes on because Wonga is non confrontational and the players take his leniency to be his weakness.
Remember when Adebayor headbutted Bendtner on the pitch. Apparently this started from the dressing room and ended up on the pitch. The Gallas interview in France about our players being pampered etc.
I also remember when Eboue was sent off by Mike Dean for kicking out at a scum player a couple of years ago and we ended up playing large parts of the game with 10men. This was before an international break and when Eboue was asked whether Wenger has spoken to him about his behaviour, he said not a single word.

The non confrontational approach is great for Wonga because it allows him to tow the bottom line and he never loses the dressing room. Spare the rod spoil the child. This is why you get these weird off colour performances where the players look like they are on holiday because they take his leniency to be his weakness.

Any dissenting voices are silently ushered out of the club leaving the sheep to perpetuate his failed philosophies.

There is a lot of talk of him not surviving the current mutiny and whiles I want to believe this you just know the great escapist is going to turn it around.

He won't, not this time...it dawned on me this morning that Wenger doesn't know football. He got really, really lucky with the team he inherited, some unbelievably fortuitous purchases and Boom, we had the Invincibles... who I believe, ran themselves...even Viera said as much.. minimal input from Wenger. Think about it, once he broke them up and decided to build another team.... well he hasn't managed to in over a decade. A few FA cups, most of them due to the most fortuitous of draws and a whole bunch of OFF FIELD achievements with just enough world class buys to keep us in the CL. He came to us as an unknown and as far as I'm concerned, he never made Arsenal, Arsenal made HIM. And it's a delusion, it's all one big lie. All he knows is off field antics and sticking his nose into things that are not relevant to HIS football team at AFC.

He is finished, this is the beginning of the end for him, I don't care who he buys, he doesn't know how to manage them and disillusionment will soon set in and their head will drop.

Read this if you don't believe me......http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... -room.html

[g60gooner]

Mustafi is the strangest of the lot. 35 Million defender in only his second season having to leave because he does not get on with his team mates. In my world you lock them in a room and as adults tell them to sort their shit out.
No we loan not sell him to Inter Milan thus losing the club 35 Million pounds and a defender short.
It's obvious Wenger must go now but Kroenke is also a massive problem which you all will turn your attention too once Wenger has gone and the new manager has taken over.
We are broken from top to bottom and need a complete change in board and owner.

This kind of thing goes on because Wonga is non confrontational and the players take his leniency to be his weakness.
Remember when Adebayor headbutted Bendtner on the pitch. Apparently this started from the dressing room and ended up on the pitch. The Gallas interview in France about our players being pampered etc.
I also remember when Eboue was sent off by Mike Dean for kicking out at a scum player a couple of years ago and we ended up playing large parts of the game with 10men. This was before an international break and when Eboue was asked whether Wenger has spoken to him about his behaviour, he said not a single word.

The non confrontational approach is great for Wonga because it allows him to tow the bottom line and he never loses the dressing room. Spare the rod spoil the child. This is why you get these weird off colour performances where the players look like they are on holiday because they take his leniency to be his weakness.

Any dissenting voices are silently ushered out of the club leaving the sheep to perpetuate his failed philosophies.

There is a lot of talk of him not surviving the current mutiny and whiles I want to believe this you just know the great escapist is going to turn it around.

He won't, not this time...it dawned on me this morning that Wenger doesn't know football. He got really, really lucky with the team he inherited, some unbelievably fortuitous purchases and Boom, we had the Invincibles... who I believe, ran themselves...even Viera said as much.. minimal input from Wenger. Think about it, once he broke them up and decided to build another team.... well he hasn't managed to in over a decade. A few FA cups, most of them due to the most fortuitous of draws and a whole bunch of OFF FIELD achievements with just enough world class buys to keep us in the CL. He came to us as an unknown and as far as I'm concerned, he never made Arsenal, Arsenal made HIM. And it's a delusion, it's all one big lie. All he knows is off field antics and sticking his nose into things that are not relevant to HIS football team at AFC.

He is finished, this is the beginning of the end for him, I don't care who he buys, he doesn't know how to manage them and disillusionment will soon set in and their head will drop.

Read this if you don't believe me......http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... -room.html

'We Made You, You Didn't Make us' would look good on a fucking great banner, possibly with the words 'you arrogant Cuunt' thrown in for good measure.

[sk-gtfo]

I know this is "The Wenger Thread" so I don't want to take it off-topic (again? ) but it is nice to see that there doesn't seem to be anyone still defending Kroenke, I think the 2 year deal he gave Wenger was the last straw for many in holding the manager exclusively to blame.

I suspect this season will be very very messy because it is likely what we have is a divided boardroom, I think Chips and more certainly Ivan wanted Wenger gone, or at least to have a DoF in place with view to a 1 or 2 year succession plan, Kroenke has obviously overruled them and sided with w*nker and in doing so has allowed w*nker to continue down his path of dictatorship, surrounded by eunuch's.

I think Ivan is probably playing along with w*nker pretending to be helpful but in reality allowing him to hang himself, so much as I am no fan of Gazidis, if this is what is happening then what else could we expect of him?, he can't come out publicly and say "Wenger out" but he can f*ck w*nker over from within (internal solutions?)

[Wilson]

Not even Gary Neville and Martin Keown are prepared to stick up for him any more. All the usual suspects are starting to wane in their support of Wenger. Wenger losing control and not having any answers or solutions is turning into a fact - Its no longer an opinion voiced my the majority, but rather its a fact.

No one on tv or radio, or in print media, is defending this anymore. As how in gods name you can defend the lack of change, the current results and performance, and what I think is most tragic, is player exodus and all these players not willing to sign contracts as they know its all over for Wenger.
Its not an exaggeration to say Wenger has lost all control - he has. And yet, you cant cite hindsight and suggest 'no body knew it would get this bad' if he stayed on by extending his contract. Because, the ongoing deterioration was expected in the event he stayed.

I am not even baffled anymore. The depths this club will sink to knows now bounds. Forget finishing outside the top 4. We could genuinely finish mid table if Mustafi, Sanchez and Chamberlain go, combined with a team and club with no belief in the manager.

Chelsea, Liverpool, City, Man United, Tottenham will all finish above us. That puts as at 6th. Im just wondering if Everton and maybe Southampton are good enough to bump us down to 9th.

[worthing_gooner]

Mustafi is the strangest of the lot. 35 Million defender in only his second season having to leave because he does not get on with his team mates. In my world you lock them in a room and as adults tell them to sort their shit out.
No we loan not sell him to Inter Milan thus losing the club 35 Million pounds and a defender short.
It's obvious Wenger must go now but Kroenke is also a massive problem which you all will turn your attention too once Wenger has gone and the new manager has taken over.
We are broken from top to bottom and need a complete change in board and owner.

This kind of thing goes on because Wonga is non confrontational and the players take his leniency to be his weakness.
Remember when Adebayor headbutted Bendtner on the pitch. Apparently this started from the dressing room and ended up on the pitch. The Gallas interview in France about our players being pampered etc.
I also remember when Eboue was sent off by Mike Dean for kicking out at a scum player a couple of years ago and we ended up playing large parts of the game with 10men. This was before an international break and when Eboue was asked whether Wenger has spoken to him about his behaviour, he said not a single word.

The non confrontational approach is great for Wonga because it allows him to tow the bottom line and he never loses the dressing room. Spare the rod spoil the child. This is why you get these weird off colour performances where the players look like they are on holiday because they take his leniency to be his weakness.

Any dissenting voices are silently ushered out of the club leaving the sheep to perpetuate his failed philosophies.

There is a lot of talk of him not surviving the current mutiny and whiles I want to believe this you just know the great escapist is going to turn it around.

He won't, not this time...it dawned on me this morning that Wenger doesn't know football. He got really, really lucky with the team he inherited, some unbelievably fortuitous purchases and Boom, we had the Invincibles... who I believe, ran themselves...even Viera said as much.. minimal input from Wenger. Think about it, once he broke them up and decided to build another team.... well he hasn't managed to in over a decade. A few FA cups, most of them due to the most fortuitous of draws and a whole bunch of OFF FIELD achievements with just enough world class buys to keep us in the CL. He came to us as an unknown and as far as I'm concerned, he never made Arsenal, Arsenal made HIM. And it's a delusion, it's all one big lie. All he knows is off field antics and sticking his nose into things that are not relevant to HIS football team at AFC.

He is finished, this is the beginning of the end for him, I don't care who he buys, he doesn't know how to manage them and disillusionment will soon set in and their head will drop.

Read this if you don't believe me......http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... -room.html

This is 100% right, I was thinking the same the other day.

When he joined the club, we had the best defensive unit this country has ever seen. We'd also signed the great DB10. At that time, due to the nature and landscape of football, Wenger was able to cherry pick the best French talent with impunity. As a result, the invincible team was possibly more due to circumstance than anything.

I would argue that in the longer term Wenger underachieved with the invincibles team. We didn't achieve success in Europe and never retained the Premier League. Secondly, since every man and his dog have eyes on the French league, talent like Mbappe and Dembele are now unavailable for us.

Wenger has never been a tactical genius, he's never been amazing in the transfer market (aside possibly from the Sol Campbell coup - one exception in 20 years), he's never overachieved throughout his entire career. The game has moved on, and he is finished.

[General]

Not even Gary Neville and Martin Keown are prepared to stick up for him any more. All the usual suspects are starting to wane in their support of Wenger. Wenger losing control and not having any answers or solutions is turning into a fact - Its no longer an opinion voiced my the majority, but rather its a fact.

No one on tv or radio, or in print media, is defending this anymore. As how in gods name you can defend the lack of change, the current results and performance, and what I think is most tragic, is player exodus and all these players not willing to sign contracts as they know its all over for Wenger.
Its not an exaggeration to say Wenger has lost all control - he has. And yet, you cant cite hindsight and suggest 'no body knew it would get this bad' if he stayed on by extending his contract. Because, the ongoing deterioration was expected in the event he stayed.

I am not even baffled anymore. The depths this club will sink to knows now bounds. Forget finishing outside the top 4. We could genuinely finish mid table if Mustafi, Sanchez and Chamberlain go, combined with a team and club with no belief in the manager.

Chelsea, Liverpool, City, Man United, Tottenham will all finish above us. That puts as at 6th. Im just wondering if Everton and maybe Southampton are good enough to bump us down to 9th.

Don't bother with Gary Neville. He was scathing of Wenger for years, went to Valencia and got showed up like the mug that he is. He's now adopted this fake principled position that he doesn't want to see Wenger sacked, never will and wants all our players placed on the transfer list. He's resented Arsenal for years and doen't want to see us emerge from this malaise.

[DB10GOONER]

Not even Gary Neville and Martin Keown are prepared to stick up for him any more. All the usual suspects are starting to wane in their support of Wenger. Wenger losing control and not having any answers or solutions is turning into a fact - Its no longer an opinion voiced my the majority, but rather its a fact.

No one on tv or radio, or in print media, is defending this anymore. As how in gods name you can defend the lack of change, the current results and performance, and what I think is most tragic, is player exodus and all these players not willing to sign contracts as they know its all over for Wenger.
Its not an exaggeration to say Wenger has lost all control - he has. And yet, you cant cite hindsight and suggest 'no body knew it would get this bad' if he stayed on by extending his contract. Because, the ongoing deterioration was expected in the event he stayed.

I am not even baffled anymore. The depths this club will sink to knows now bounds. Forget finishing outside the top 4. We could genuinely finish mid table if Mustafi, Sanchez and Chamberlain go, combined with a team and club with no belief in the manager.

Chelsea, Liverpool, City, Man United, Tottenham will all finish above us. That puts as at 6th. Im just wondering if Everton and maybe Southampton are good enough to bump us down to 9th.

Don't bother with Gary Neville. He was scathing of Wenger for years, went to Valencia and got showed up like the mug that he is. He's now adopted this fake principled position that he doesn't want to see Wenger sacked, never will and wants all our players placed on the transfer list. He's resented Arsenal for years and doen't want to see us emerge from this malaise.

Spiv Neville (like that entire generation of manure players ) deffo has an anti-Arsenal agenda - he loves to see us like this. Fucking clown having a pop at protesting fans last year effectively shit in his own mouth. Prick.

[CharlieGeorge1971]

Distasteful though it is, I've just bet a fiver at 1000/1 on relegation. When it happens, the bitter pill will at least be sweetened as (1) I'll easily be able to take out a new season ticket and (2) it will be the post-Wenger era.

[General]

Distasteful though it is, I've just bet a fiver at 1000/1 on relegation. When it happens, the bitter pill will at least be sweetened as (1) I'll easily be able to take out a new season ticket and (2) it will be the post-Wenger era.

I'm sure you would've got better value for money if you bet on Wenker getting sacked.

[rodders999]

Saw a belter on twatter earlier -

"Arsenal are the first club in history where the manager loses the dressing room and we get rid of the dressing room rather than the manager"