Monaco at home

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A11M11 wrote:Once it was seated the clock end held 6000, the North Bank 12500 , that's 6500 extra 1000 in each corner would have bought it to just over 48000. However there would have been no diamond club , but I am sure they could have got over that little hurdle.

45,00 maximum.

The Clock End even if refurbished would have been less capacity than the North Bank because of Executive Boxes and the car park and offices underneath/behind.

The corners could have taken seats but there was still the need to accommodate the police and stadium control rooms and scoreboards.

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clockender1 wrote:
Mistical92 wrote:
Clash wrote:I just thank God that we had people at the club with the foresight and bravery to see that we needed to leave Highbury to reach the level we're at now.
We all loved Highbury, but come on, staying there would've been stupid. We have too many fans for a ground under 40,000, probably even 60,000 if the prices were sensible. The tickets would be even dearer if we were still at Highbury and it would be impossible to get tickets.
bullshit.

Liverpool manage okay, won the CL too didn't they ? it hasn't held them back.

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sorry this bit is rubbish, liverpool havent won the league in decades, one flukey cl is all they have, as for being held back well yes they have massively. thats why clubs a re all clamouring to build bigger stadiums, victims, scum everton...

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since we last won the league in 2004, we have won two FA Cups and been runners up in the CL & EL, CL semi finalists and twice CL quarter finalists,

the mickeys have won the FAC, LC, CL, European Super Cup and been runners up in the CL, CL semi finalists and CL quarter finalists and EL semi finalists.

how exactly were they held back ? - if anything their record is better than ours, except under hodgson. and when they thumped us 5-1 up there last year they didn't look very held back to me...

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clockender1 wrote:since we last won the league in 2004, we have won two FA Cups and been runners up in the CL & EL, CL semi finalists and twice CL quarter finalists,

the mickeys have won the FAC, LC, CL, European Super Cup and been runners up in the CL, CL semi finalists and CL quarter finalists and EL semi finalists.

how exactly were they held back ? - if anything their record is better than ours, except under hodgson. and when they thumped us 5-1 up there last year they didn't look very held back to me...

but your comparing them to us. to compete with city, chavs and united, apart from the odd anomalous season you need to get closer to their financial muscle.

im not too fussed over the lc or edp, or the fa cup since its so devalued these days.

had we had a non senile manager allied to the new stadium revenues we would have done far better. you cannot blame wengers past it'ness on the new stadium.

wenger is the reason we dont compete anymore, and he was the reason we competed in the first place in the old stadium before his ego got the better of him

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clockender1 wrote:since we last won the league in 2004, we have won two FA Cups and been runners up in the CL & EL, CL semi finalists and twice CL quarter finalists,

the mickeys have won the FAC, LC, CL, European Super Cup and been runners up in the CL, CL semi finalists and CL quarter finalists and EL semi finalists.

how exactly were they held back ? - if anything their record is better than ours, except under hodgson. and when they thumped us 5-1 up there last year they didn't look very held back to me...
To be fair Wenger has generally dominated them at Anfield. That was their first home league win against us since '07.

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I feel we are over romantising Highbury tbh, again a lot of what happened must be laid at the door of the board etc who didnt oversee the move well, the season ticket allocation for example wasnt handled at all well
Bringing my lad to the bowl has a far greater impact than when I first went to Highbury, the atmosphere isnt the same but theres many reasons for that.

Our record at the bowl is pretty good generally.

Its the third largest football stadium in England, Scum Mousers Toffees, Chavs would kill for a stadium like ours. In comparison highbury was a bit of a hole in many ways (I will get my tin hat here :oops: )

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Theoperator wrote:I feel we are over romantising Highbury tbh...
What do you mean by this?

Highbury had an aura that The Emirates doesn't. Partly due to the beautiful design, partly due to history and partly due to the fact the fans we're virtually on top of the players - it just felt very cozy and intimate - but the only thing the Emirates has over Highbury is the capacity. Nowhere near as special for me. Fucking shit atmosphere to boot.

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VAVAVOOM 14 wrote:
Theoperator wrote:I feel we are over romantising Highbury tbh...
What do you mean by this?

Highbury had an aura that The Emirates doesn't. Partly due to the beautiful design, partly due to history and partly due to the fact the fans we're virtually on top of the players - it just felt very cozy and intimate - but the only thing the Emirates has over Highbury is the capacity. Nowhere near as special for me. Fucking shit atmosphere to boot.
There is no atmosphere due to the sort of people that are attending games. I've lost count of the amount of times someone has been looked at strangely for having the audacity to show a bit of passion at games. Some of the people that attend games at the Emirates think they are at Wimbledon, really is pathetic the type of fans attending home games these days.

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There is no atmosphere due to the sort of people that are attending games. I've lost count of the amount of times someone has been looked at strangely for having the audacity to show a bit of passion at games. Some of the people that attend games at the Emirates think they are at Wimbledon, really is pathetic the type of fans attending home games these days.
Well for one they should bring the fans closer to the pitch. I remember when the Emirates first opened I read somewhere that it was constructed in such a way that moving the seats closer to the pitch would be an option in the future, it is something that needs to be rectified.

But yeah the main problem is the passionate fans have been priced out replaced by tourists or those wealthy enough who go simply for leisure. Football has been gentrified and as depressing as it is there is no way back now - in fact it will only get worse.

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VAVAVOOM 14 wrote:But yeah the main problem is the passionate fans have been priced out replaced by tourists or those wealthy enough who go simply for leisure. Football has been gentrified and as depressing as it is there is no way back now - in fact it will only get worse.
I agree with you to an extent, but I think what you're describing isn't the main factor. The majority of our home fans in general, regardless of ticket prices and who attends, are quiet and have a lack of passion anyway. It's a reflection of our mild mannered and lenient fanbase. They greatly outnumber people who want to make noise. The ones who sing are spread out and isolated. The typical home fans are filtered out at away games, with the hardcore Arsenal all packed together and making a much better atmosphere.

On the odd occasion the home fans do sing it's very dull and lacklustre. Maybe before Highbury became all seater they made more noise, but football was different then.

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Bro wrote:
VAVAVOOM 14 wrote:But yeah the main problem is the passionate fans have been priced out replaced by tourists or those wealthy enough who go simply for leisure. Football has been gentrified and as depressing as it is there is no way back now - in fact it will only get worse.
I agree with you to an extent, but I think what you're describing isn't the main factor. The majority of our home fans in general, regardless of ticket prices and who attends, are quiet and have a lack of passion anyway. It's a reflection of our mild mannered and lenient fanbase. They greatly outnumber people who want to make noise. The ones who sing are spread out and isolated. The typical home fans are filtered out at away games, with the hardcore Arsenal all packed together and making a much better atmosphere.

On the odd occasion the home fans do sing it's very dull and lacklustre. Maybe before Highbury became all seater they made more noise, but football was different then.
Probably a better atmosphere at away games but they still appear to be much more physically passive than in the past and more passive in comparison to other clubs

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Henry Norris 1913 wrote:ran out of ideas, we didn't start at the right tempo and giroud proved yet again he isn't good enough for a CL team. no matter what db10 and the other giroud apologists say he is not a top striker, not even close. but theres no point getting aggravated over the weaknesses of the squad when we haven't even got a manager. no leadership from the clueless one yet again.
And if you took a moment's pause in your haste to just childishly have a jab and actually read what I (or anyone else) has said about Giroud you would see no one has said he is a top striker. We've all said the opposite in fact. He is not a top striker. But he is an average to good striker (depending on the day) that has moments of brilliance and moments of utter shitness. But hey - don't let the facts get in your way huh, mate! :lol: :roll:

Anyway, to the game. The entire team the other night were shite.

The worst for me was obviously the Giant Fucking Coward at the back. Turned side on to deflect the ball into his own net because owie getting hit by the ball might hurt! OWIE! :oops: :roll: Then made the schoolboy error of stepping up at the runner instead of tracking him. Surprise surprise the runner just dropped the shoulder and bye bye he's gone. A child would know to turn early and run with him, try push him wide. Those trying to defend the Massive Cowardly Pussy by saying he couldn't have run with him because he has no pace are missing the point; he didn't need to race him all the way back to the box, he only needed to run him wide long enough for other faster players to get back to help. The Big Scared Vadge has to be dropped and got rid of now.

Welbeck I'm sorry is bang average on a good day, pure shite on a bad one. His first touch is shocking. Ball just bounces a yard or two off his foot. The myth about his pace is often exposed. He wins NOTHING in the air, and that's on the odd occasion when he bothers to challenge for anything in the air. Simply not good enough.

Gibbs still cannot cross a ball to save his life. Bellerin looks like he has potential but he was all over the place, constantly caught out of position.

Walcott and the Ox seemed like a good idea but apart from a couple of good runs and one chance he jumped out of Walcott had no impact really. The Ox scored a beauty and then went from hero to zero by giving the ball away so cheaply for their third. Felt really sorry for him.

Giroud was utter dogshit. He'll probably score a 30 yard screamer in the next game. :lol: But ultimately he is a squad player or a striker that should be played alongside a striker than can hit 20+ PL goals every season in a 4-4-2. He is not a lone striker in a 4-5-1. My 9 year old son can see that.

Ozil, Sanchez and Santi were all guilty of overplaying everything. Ozil is a fantastically gifted player. He has vision, deftness of touch, passing brilliance and top top technique. But I don't think he'll make it with us. Particularly in the pacey PL. We either build a system around him and his ability or we get rid.

Watching Wenger sit there with his hands in his pockets whilst Monaco's manager was up on the sideline actually managing his team and managing the game was just pathetic. :roll:

Bizarrely, I think we might turn this one round. :shock:

No, seriously - don't laugh!! I have a feeling we will win 3-0 over there or more likely 3-1 and scrape it on pennos. Cue Arsene then talking about how that was the greatest achievement of his career and how this is the best group of players he's ever assembled and blah blah fucking blah before the standard raping at the hands of a proper top team in the next round. :roll:

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Rosicky should have come on at half time. The game was crying out for his drive and uptempo style of play, instead our dear overlord left Ozil on for the whole 90 and gave Tomas some poxy 10 minute run out. :roll:

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BFG4 wrote:
VAVAVOOM 14 wrote:
Theoperator wrote:I feel we are over romantising Highbury tbh...
What do you mean by this?

Highbury had an aura that The Emirates doesn't. Partly due to the beautiful design, partly due to history and partly due to the fact the fans we're virtually on top of the players - it just felt very cozy and intimate - but the only thing the Emirates has over Highbury is the capacity. Nowhere near as special for me. Fucking shit atmosphere to boot.
There is no atmosphere due to the sort of people that are attending games. I've lost count of the amount of times someone has been looked at strangely for having the audacity to show a bit of passion at games. Some of the people that attend games at the Emirates think they are at Wimbledon, really is pathetic the type of fans attending home games these days.
I have said it before but I go to Wimbledon because THERE IS a better atmosphere than at the Emirates.
Sad but true.

the mistake the Emirates made was to have corporate boxes all the way around. There is a clear divide between the top tier and the lower tier which sucks out all of the atmosphere. Added to that is the fact that the caterers are so bloody slow most people enter late, leave for half time early , leave early. I am just not interested in attending anymore. complete waste of time.

the money I have saved by not going to matches this season means I am going on a nice holiday soon. The club can go fuck themselves

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VAVAVOOM 14 wrote:Rosicky should have come on at half time. The game was crying out for his drive and uptempo style of play, instead our dear overlord left Ozil on for the whole 90 and gave Tomas some poxy 10 minute run out. :roll:
Very same at the Lane..said it then, we were not moving the ball through the middle and he can and will do it.

DB10 is sport on about BFG or BFC (C for coward).. A few years ago on Monday night football Gary Neville (hate him if we like) stood away from the table and gave an impromptu display of facing up to the ball. Face on , unless you have concerns either side , that being a loose man on your side with no cover. Per had no such worries but he turned away from the ball because he is a coward. I defended him here in the past, actually defended him better than he defended the other night.

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