The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

[StuartL]

Hey I thought you Brexiteers said that Brexit wasn’t about the money ?

And if it is important then maybe you should consider what your money will be worth in a post Brexit world of a devalued pound and higher food and all other everyday costs.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/08/f ... ject-fear/

"It wasn’t supposed to be this way, according to George Osborne’s crystal ball. In May 2016, a month before the referendum, he warned us all that should we vote to leave the EU
we could expect unemployment to rise by up to 500,000 within two years"

See Rob these are facts not opinion like your usual posts


Even Attenborough has got a new planet earth series

we havent actually left yet!!

Did you read it or just read what you wanted to ?

It was the “should we vote to leave” (which we did just as a quick reminder to you )

[Gunner Rob]

Hey I thought you Brexiteers said that Brexit wasn’t about the money ?

And if it is important then maybe you should consider what your money will be worth in a post Brexit world of a devalued pound and higher food and all other everyday costs.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/08/f ... ject-fear/

"It wasn’t supposed to be this way, according to George Osborne’s crystal ball. In May 2016, a month before the referendum, he warned us all that should we vote to leave the EU
we could expect unemployment to rise by up to 500,000 within two years"

See Rob these are facts not opinion like your usual posts


Even Attenborough has got a new planet earth series

we havent actually left yet!!

Did you read it or just read what you wanted to ?

It was the “should we vote to leave” (which we did just as a quick reminder to you )

Yes but back in May 2016 it wouldn’t have been expected that it would take so long to leave.

[A11M11]

back in May 2016 it wouldn’t have been expected that it would take so long to leave.


For that we have to thank those that wished to remain and have tried to re-run the referendum at every turn , putting up obstacles and doing everything in their power to stop the process led by a complicit Prime Minister that has tried to keep us aligned as closely as possible whilst trying to placate the warring factions in her party and falling between the stools and failing badly.
Instead of letting the E.U call the shots a more direct negotiating style would have concentrated minds and bought about a much quicker resolution. However we are where we are trying to make a silk purse out of the proverbial pigs ear doing what any good salesman will tell you is impossible , trying to be all things to all men.

[Jock Gooner]

back in May 2016 it wouldn’t have been expected that it would take so long to leave.


For that we have to thank those that wished to remain and have tried to re-run the referendum at every turn , putting up obstacles and doing everything in their power to stop the process led by a complicit Prime Minister that has tried to keep us aligned as closely as possible whilst trying to placate the warring factions in her party and falling between the stools and failing badly.
Instead of letting the E.U call the shots a more direct negotiating style would have concentrated minds and bought about a much quicker resolution. However we are where we are trying to make a silk purse out of the proverbial pigs ear doing what any good salesman will tell you is impossible , trying to be all things to all men.

Have we left yet

[Gunner Rob]

back in May 2016 it wouldn’t have been expected that it would take so long to leave.


For that we have to thank those that wished to remain and have tried to re-run the referendum at every turn , putting up obstacles and doing everything in their power to stop the process led by a complicit Prime Minister that has tried to keep us aligned as closely as possible whilst trying to placate the warring factions in her party and falling between the stools and failing badly.
Instead of letting the E.U call the shots a more direct negotiating style would have concentrated minds and bought about a much quicker resolution. However we are where we are trying to make a silk purse out of the proverbial pigs ear doing what any good salesman will tell you is impossible , trying to be all things to all men.

haha well you would say that wouldn't you ?

no the reason why we havent left is because
1) there was no plan in place to leave on June 23rd 2016 (and amazingly there still isnt) Look how quick Farage departed from the scene when he realised that he had won a vote based mainly on lies.
2) it is actually a LOT harder to leave than you Brexiteers think, mostly because the EU hold all the cards.
you Brexiteers have this odd idea that Brexit is a problem for the EU to sort out. Well the fact is it isnt - it is a problem for the UK to sort out, and it is very low down on the list of priorities for the EU.


if we had a plan back in 2016 and left the EU pretty quick then I would have accepted that - after all LEAVE did win.
however there was no plan, it has become very clear that Brexit will be a disaster and thats why I will continue to oppose it.
and I think that sense will win in the end. It is looking like the mood is shifting which is good to see.

[Gunner Rob]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 00446.html#

Tick Tock here comes reality.

[Herd]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 00446.html#

Tick Tock here comes reality.

No its another bullshit scare story with no substance
,the thought that the NHS would not be able to purchase medicines in case of a hard Brexit is one of the most laughable pieces of crap I've seen so far .
The harm that has been done by remoaners and their willful lies and distortions so that we don't leave is costing this country billions .

This country wont leave Europe because they are making such a deliberate hash of it that we will remain ,and it will have all been for nothing but who cares ,certainly not you Rob ,you think you have won but all your masters at the IMF and Brussels will have done is further enslave the UK and it's peoples ,how wonderful !

BTW I short sold a lot of pounds 2 weeks ago in anticipation of the annual German bank drive against it at the height of the Holiday season in order to punish us foolish brits ,and am now planning a few weeks in thailand on the proceeds ,aint life fucking sweet !

Bunch O *word censored* !

[Gunner Rob]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 00446.html#

Tick Tock here comes reality.

No its another bullshit scare story with no substance
,the thought that the NHS would not be able to purchase medicines in case of a hard Brexit is one of the most laughable pieces of crap I've seen so far .
The harm that has been done by remoaners and their willful lies and distortions so that we don't leave is costing this country billions .

This country wont leave Europe because they are making such a deliberate hash of it that we will remain ,and it will have all been for nothing but who cares ,certainly not you Rob ,you think you have won but all your masters at the IMF and Brussels will have done is further enslave the UK and it's peoples ,how wonderful !

BTW I short sold a lot of pounds 2 weeks ago in anticipation of the annual German bank drive against it at the height of the Holiday season in order to punish us foolish brits ,and am now planning a few weeks in thailand on the proceeds ,aint life fucking sweet !

Bunch O *word censored* !

No it is Leavers like yourself that is costing the country billions.
the UK was the fastest growing economy in Europe until you morons decided to slow things down and try to return the country to the 1950s.

so why wont we leave ? You going to stop it are you ?
at present there is no deal with the EU and we will crash out at the end of March next year.
ok that is the worst case scenario.

the best case scenario is that a deal is done and we pay billions for basically nothing to change, but we lose all influence on future EU policy and then they can do what they like with us. Complete madness.


AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU LEAVERS WON - WELL GET ON WITH SORTING IT OUT. AFTER ALL YOU ALL SAID THAT IT WOULD BE EASY.
DO NOT BLAME REMAINERS FOR YOUR DITHERING.

[Gunner Rob]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 00446.html#

Tick Tock here comes reality.

No its another bullshit scare story with no substance
,the thought that the NHS would not be able to purchase medicines in case of a hard Brexit is one of the most laughable pieces of crap I've seen so far .
The harm that has been done by remoaners and their willful lies and distortions so that we don't leave is costing this country billions .

This country wont leave Europe because they are making such a deliberate hash of it that we will remain ,and it will have all been for nothing but who cares ,certainly not you Rob ,you think you have won but all your masters at the IMF and Brussels will have done is further enslave the UK and it's peoples ,how wonderful !

BTW I short sold a lot of pounds 2 weeks ago in anticipation of the annual German bank drive against it at the height of the Holiday season in order to punish us foolish brits ,and am now planning a few weeks in thailand on the proceeds ,aint life fucking sweet !

Bunch O *word censored* !

and of course you lose all credibility by saying this.
you are just part of the elite that stands to make money out of Brexit.
helping the rich get richer, whilst those who have little will get even less.

[Henry Norris 1913]

https://www.ft.com/content/83e7e87e-fe6 ... 00c5664d30

Between 2007 and 2015, the UK was the only big advanced economy in which wages contracted while the economy expanded. In most other countries, including France and Germany, both the economy and wages have grown. Italy and Portugal are yet to reach their pre-crisis levels on both measures, while in Finland and Spain real wages grew in periods of economic contraction. The UK sits on its own as a rich economy that experienced a strong economic performance while the real wages of its workers dropped. Britain’s GDP went back to pre-crisis levels in the third quarter of 2013 and it is now nearly 10 per cent larger than in the second quarter of 2008. Yet in 2014 wages were almost 10 per cent lower than seven years before. During the same period, salaries in France and Germany grew 7 per cent. The contraction of UK real wages was reversed in 2015, but it is not going to last. “We expect a squeeze on income growth over the next few years,” writes Jonathan Loynes, chief economist at Capital Economics in a note, “but it should be limited by past standards.” There are various reasons for the exceptional case of the UK, not least a shift towards lower-paid jobs, low productivity levels and growth, a strong rise in employment and higher inflation. More people in work but with lower payOnly the US and Canada have greater flexibility in labour market regulation than the UK, according to the OECD. Thanks to a more flexible job market, people were able to find jobs quicker than in other countries. Employment expanded by 2.4 per cent in the six years to 2013, while in France there was no job expansion and the EU as a whole experienced job losses. After the crisis, labour supply increased, but these “unusual increases in labour supply” were absorbed by the market, writes the OECD in its latest country survey. Pension reform and other policies contributed to the increase in supply with a rising number of older workers and incentives to work rather than live off benefits. Meanwhile “sustained inflows of well-educated immigrants have boosted the working-age population”, says the OECD. Such employment expansion coincided with the loss of labour bargaining power due to the risk of unemployment and “slack” remaining higher than pre-crisis levels. Unemployment, underemployment and involuntary part-time working, for example, were far above their levels in 2008. Coupled with low and falling levels of unionisation, employment growth came at the expense of a fall in real wages. The expansion has begun to slow, not just because of the Brexit vote, but also because the economy is close to full employment, reducing downward pressure on wages. Wages have not kept up with inflationInflation is likely to squeeze real wages in the next couple of years just as it did after the crisis. Between 2007 and 2015 the UK had one of the highest inflation rates among big advanced economies, largely because of high energy prices and the depreciation of the pound. Consumer prices expanded at an annual rate of over 5 per cent at their peak in September 2011, well above the rate of expansion of nominal earnings. Now inflation is rising rapidly once again. It is expected to exceed 2.5 per cent this year because of the pound falling further. But in a tight labour market, high inflation “may make it harder for firms to award small pay increases”, says Capital Economics. When employment was expanding, it was in lower-paid jobsEmployment growth was driven largely by self-employment and part-timers, while the number of full-time jobs shrank. “The rapid rises in employment over the past few years have been made up by a larger than usual share of low-skilled jobs which tend to be lower paid,” says Capital Economics.

[Gunner Rob]

this no deal Brexit is going to be fun


Airports are preparing to close for two months.
Northern Ireland may be in the dark
Kent will be a lorry park
We will be the only country trading on WTO rules
We won’t have enough medicines or food..



WILL OF THE PEOPLE

[Herd]

and of course you lose all credibility by saying this.
you are just part of the elite that stands to make money out of Brexit.
helping the rich get richer, whilst those who have little will get even less.

Ive been called alot of things but never elite , but some gift horses are too good to look in the mouth.
My Point which as usual went over your head completely was that the EU bullies tactics are simple to predict including the now annual selling of the pound at peak Holiday times .

Im all for a european union only with less members and run for the benefit of its peoples and not the banks and corporations like it is now.
Most of the economies of Europe are in the toilet held up by more and more loans it can never hope to repay but thats what you want to cling to like a man over board clinging to a flimsy life jacket .

No divorce is ever without pain or cost ,I know that more than once having lost everything in them and starting over ,again and again but sometimes u have to say enough is enough and walk away !

[Gunner Rob]

and of course you lose all credibility by saying this.
you are just part of the elite that stands to make money out of Brexit.
helping the rich get richer, whilst those who have little will get even less.

Ive been called alot of things but never elite , but some gift horses are too good to look in the mouth.
My Point which as usual went over your head completely was that the EU bullies tactics are simple to predict including the now annual selling of the pound at peak Holiday times .

Im all for a european union only with less members and run for the benefit of its peoples and not the banks and corporations like it is now.
Most of the economies of Europe are in the toilet held up by more and more loans it can never hope to repay but thats what you want to cling to like a man over board clinging to a flimsy life jacket .

No divorce is ever without pain or cost ,I know that more than once having lost everything in them and starting over ,again and again but sometimes u have to say enough is enough and walk away !

if there was any sign of some benefits in the future then I would say consider leaving, but there isn't.

the economy WILL be worse off
most of the people in the country WILL be worse off
immigration WILL NOT go down - the latest figures more people than ever are coming into the UK from OUTSIDE OF EUROPE
new trade deals WILL take years, if not decades to sort out
the UK WILL have less influcence in Europe and they will increasingly dictate to us if we want to trade with them
there WILL be a huge shortage of skilled workers in vital jobs in the coming years, and as a result the country will decline faster than Arsenal in the PL

even I have been against a 2nd referendum until now, but it looks like the only way forward, as a no deal would be a disaster and the Theresa May plan is also not fully supported. There needs to be a further vote to agree the way forward.

[Gunner Rob]

https://www.peoples-vote.uk/march

democracy in action.
time to take on the Establishment now that it is known the Brexit win was based on a load of lies.
time to get our country back from the brink of disaster

[Allgunsblazin]