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[EC3]

Was at the game so I don't know if this has been posted, but Flamini most definitely had words with Ozil for not tracking runners.

Flamini was most definitely not happy.

[Number 5]

And yet it was him not tracking that led to the second goal.

Irony abounds.

[BFG4]

I dislike Wenger, more than most, but its silly to just throw the blame at him. We have a 42 million signing, who looked like he couldn't be arsed(even to take a penalty), and a keeper who decided, that it was worth a red card, instead of conceding a goal, a red card that ended the tie. Wenger did make some ridiculous decisions, especially not subbing Ozil, but our players didn't help at all. Il be more pissed, if we throw away the Everton game, as that's a trophy we can actually win.

[gp543]

And yet it was him not tracking that led to the second goal.

Irony abounds.

I saw it as Kos' mad run forward which left him out of position which was the real cause.

[Leyton Gooner]

I dislike Wenger, more than most, but its silly to just throw the blame at him. We have a 42 million signing, who looked like he couldn't be arsed(even to take a penalty), and a keeper who decided, that it was worth a red card, instead of conceding a goal, a red card that ended the tie. Wenger did make some ridiculous decisions, especially not subbing Ozil, but our players didn't help at all. Il be more pissed more, if we throw away the Everton game, as that's a trophy we can actually win.

I agree with most of what you say BFG but as a keeper you have a split second to make a decision and instinct tells you you're going to try and stop that ball getting in your net. Honestly Chez would not have been thinking "do I just stand here and let him score or do I try and stop an almost certain goal and risk a penalty and red card" he'd have gone in with the intention, rightly or wrongly, of getting something on the ball. Obviously he got nowhere near the ball but that wouldn't have crossed his mind at the time. It was just one of those things and I don't think Chez could have done anything different apart from stand on his line and give Robben an easy finish, and that is never an option

[clockender1]

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aah right, he took over a team in a league that only TWO teams ever win

Might as well taken charge of Celtic

and the other team just happened to be the team that is probably the biggest in the world, the most decorated, had half or more of the Euro 2008 Spanish national squad, that has one about four more European cups than any other team...

yes, i totally agree with you - its just like Rangers & Celtic isn't it ?

and as i said, i didn't pick on you or abuse you - i just corrected you by pointing out that you were talking utter bollocks.

i am truly very sorry, i had no idea that any poster on here was so precious. I am now forewarned

[clockender1]

I dislike Wenger, more than most, but its silly to just throw the blame at him. We have a 42 million signing, who looked like he couldn't be arsed(even to take a penalty), and a keeper who decided, that it was worth a red card, instead of conceding a goal, a red card that ended the tie. Wenger did make some ridiculous decisions, especially not subbing Ozil, but our players didn't help at all. Il be more pissed more, if we throw away the Everton game, as that's a trophy we can actually win.

I agree with most of what you say BFG but as a keeper you have a split second to make a decision and instinct tells you you're going to try and stop that ball getting in your net. Honestly Chez would not have been thinking "do I just stand here and let him score or do I try and stop an almost certain goal and risk a penalty and red card" he'd have gone in with the intention, rightly or wrongly, of getting something on the ball. Obviously he got nowhere near the ball but that wouldn't have crossed his mind at the time. It was just one of those things and I don't think Chez could have done anything different apart from stand on his line and give Robben an easy finish, and that is never an option

or the alternative is that you fully commit and win the ball - but as you say its a split second decision. we could see that developing but likely ches was watching the ball come over and then he sees robben come into frame.

if you go and its one on one, you have to get the ball or (and i hate to say this) you do what schmeichel would do which was to make himself big and hope the striker hits it straight at you, or it hits an arm or leg, or you put him off and he bentdners it.

he got the red for not getting the ball - if he'd punched it, the foul would have been on Robben.

[Number 5]

And yet it was him not tracking that led to the second goal.

Irony abounds.

I saw it as Kos' mad run forward which left him out of position which was the real cause.

I felt that he spent too much time pointing at where others should go and forgot that he had shit to do himself.

[Ryanswannell]

Now I'm not saying it's the reason we lost, but the Szczesney sending off ruined the game completely from our point of view. I don't see why a keeper has to be sent off in addition to conceding a penalty as it just ruins the balance of any game it happens in. If it looks like any malice was intended then fair enough, but I think it's a rule that needs to be altered.

We were pretty good up until the sending off, we sat back when necessary and then exploded out of the gates when the chance arose. But after the red card, we still defended well for the most part but our speed in (any) attacks we had vanished. A lack of support because of the sending off for Ozil, Sanogo or whoever was evident as said player would either get dispossessed as they had to hold the ball, or would just pass it into a space where the extra midfielder would have been.
Sanogo looked O.K during the first half, but then he got shut out of play when we couldn't attack. He also looks a little clumsy when challenging for the ball.

On another note, I know REDaction aren't too popular with some on here, but credit where it's due they did a fantastic job with the card display, it looked amazing

[Swifty]

And yet it was him not tracking that led to the second goal.

Irony abounds.

I saw it as Kos' mad run forward which left him out of position which was the real cause.

The Verminator used to get caught doing that a bit - some CBs get a bit adventurous once they feel they run the backline.

[Swifty]

I don't see why a keeper has to be sent off in addition to conceding a penalty as it just ruins the balance of any game it happens in. If it looks like any malice was intended then fair enough, but I think it's a rule that needs to be altered.

keepers would be taking players out all over the place if the risk wasn't there. i reckon they already get too much protection - "oh you can't touch him - he's a keeper!!" - why???

[Swifty]

IMO - Ozil scores then Penalty we win the match. As soon as he missed it was "here we go again bottling it on the big stage".

[p206ab]

Ozil,Ozil,Ozil.. I'm starting to feel that from 42,5m was 20 for Wenker and 22,5 was spent for plastic operation of some ligue2 guy to look like Ozil. Because that's not Mesut Ozil from Madrid.

Red card turned game around, but based on all conditions, I think we should be happy it was just 0-2. After all, last year it was 1-3 with all we got, this time it was 60minutes with 10 men (9, Ozil dissapeared after penalty), Flappy on goal and Monreal to cover Robben.
Against a team that hasn't lost 46 games in their league and last year won everything what you can win (CL,league,cups,supercup in august,club worldcup...).
It could be worse...

I know my post looks a bit like Wenker's speeches, missing just a little jaded from fa cup game but reality is that we did defend for 45minutes which requires tactics and which we don't know how to do. BFG saved us a few (the one from Gotze would be in), but after red card and Gibbo sub, I thought they would destroy us, with 5 or 6...

[northbank123]

The rule can suck the enjoyment out of ties but imagine the injustices if it didn't exist. What if it was outside the area? Hardly fair to take away a likely goal for a free-kick and a yellow. The rule is harsh but 100pc necessary. And I don't really have sympathy with Szczesny because it wasn't exactly a defender whose man cut across him to initiate a tangle of legs or something relatively blameless. As a keeper you know that if you go in to try and win the ball like that you're gone if you don't, to suggest it shouldn't be a factor in decision-making (albeit split-second) is rubbish, it should be ingrained.

And he was so far away from getting the ball too, he must have realised he wasn't going to get there a few metres before. He should have pulled back and tried to spread himself or whatever - yes 90pc+ chance was it would be too late and Robben would round him and slot it in but better than guaranteeing yourself a red and a penalty.

[augie]

And yet it was him not tracking that led to the second goal.

Irony abounds.

I saw it as Kos' mad run forward which left him out of position which was the real cause.

I felt that he spent too much time pointing at where others should go and forgot that he had shit to do himself.

Made that point earlier too - discipline is not his forte and running around like a demented fool does not make the guy a good enough defensive midfielder as shown up by his inability to take the place of the italian darren fletcher (ambrosini) in an average milan team