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[LDB]

They were both at fault for the second goal but I thought Flamini and Koscielny were our two best players last night.

Gibbs going off injured was a big part of the game, Monreal was at fault for the situation which got chesney sent off. I seem to be the only person on the planet not convinced he should have been sent off though, surely Robben has kicked the ball away from goal with Sagna covering? Not convinced he would have got to it.

Oh well, that was by no means the worst refereeing performance I've seen in Europe but the general standard of it (and sometimes the questionable honesty) is something that is making me hate the competition more and more each year.

[g88ner]

That said, played well until the sending off. Really took the game to Bayern, and it was sad that such a stupid rule that punishes a team twice for one offence is allowed, too often, to ruin a contest.

Not so sure about that mate. In the case of City yesterday, they deserved the double punishment. Demichelis went purely for the man, he knew he'd get a red and really just tried to take him before he got to the box. Probably he just did that, but fuck the *word censored* he was cheating, so let him have a red and a pen against his team.

I think change the rule and you'll see a lot more cynical, calculated fouls going in from players manipulating the rules. Just look at all the onside/offside bollocks that has been going on since the whole interference shit came in.

that's not really what i mean, mate. I completely accept that defenders more often than not have a choice and that citeh defender clearly deserved to see red for such a cynical foul.

what i don't like is that goalkeepers are always in a situation where they are the last man (its there position after all) so are always likely to see red and give away a penalty even if they innocently mistime a challenge. And as the last man, they have little choice but to go for the ball. Just seems a needless double punishment. In situations like last night, a penalty would surely have been enough. But the rules say red card as well.

[LDB]

Introduce penalties for clear-and-obvious-goalscoring-opportunity offences committed outside the box and make it a yellow card, just like other cynical fouls to stop attacks are given.

[DB10GOONER]

To be fair, Arteta wouldve been useful tonight. But in the league games, Flamini's the choice.

DB10 - We need Flamini. We need his character and spirit. More than we need Arteta, who's ten a penny in the game today. With that, we have to unfortunately accept some of Flamini's excesses.

We could do better than both of them, and should. But lining them up now,Flaminin is no doubt more essential to the the team than Arteta, who's been looking like a liability for a few months.

It does a little disservice to those who value Flamini's contribution to dismiss them as been fooled by his running around like a headless chicken. I think we're more than capapble of making rational judgements and comparisons.

Finally. I have no agenda relating to Flamini or Arteta. I harbour no grudge against Flamini over his departure. And with Arteta, I've liked his style over the years. But I think you could get 10 or20 of his type, no problem. But we should have properly invested in more players of the calibre we know it takes.

Did you actually read my post, mate?

Nah, I'm not going to try score a cheap point about Flamoney being responsible for the second goal as, in fairness to him, he worked his guts out and gave everything. These things happen. You lose your player for a split second and bang they're in. No, I don't think that was the big-game pooch-fucking that I feel Flamoney will be responsible for, I think that is still to come, unfortunately. But last night he gave his all and you have to respect that.

As much as I rate Ozil as a world class player (and anyone that doesn't rate him is a geebag ) that "performance" last night was appalling and shameful. I get it, he ain't a work horse, he's a creator. I get it. But so was DB10. And when you are down to 10 men and it's all hands to the pumps, backs to the wall, DB10 would dig in. Sometimes you just have to get past your ability and vision and put in a shift for the team. Every player (even the Uber-shite Monreal) can at least have pride in their effort last night; gutsy, hard working and never say die. Every player except Ozil.

There is a real danger now that Ozil is going to seriously fall out with his team mates. It's building every game. First it was one or two players having a pop. Last night Mert, Jack and Flamoney all had a few pops at him and he looks lost, pissed off, dissapointed, let down, demotivated.

Arsene once again demonstrated his inability to think properly on the fly, or to understand even basic tactics. Accepted Ox was tired, but so was everyone else. The fact is we were down to 10 men and we were carrying Ozil. He contributed NOTHING defensively and should have been hauled off.

The red card was a red card. Not sure who earlier claimed otherwise but sorry you are wrong. It' a shit law, but it is the law. Chesney had no real choice, it was split second, stay and you give Robben a free shot and most likely a goal, go and you have some chance to narrow the angle but risk giving the penno. It was insinctive. He had to close him down. And I don't agree it was similar to Mad Jens' brainfart in Paris 06. Jens came out miles when he had time to calculate the risk, and the attacking player also had defenders close to him - that was a stupid decision, not an instinctive one.

Cannot see us turning this over and we should now concentrate on the FA Cup. But we won't.

[LDB]

Nah, I'm not going to try score a cheap point about Flamoney being responsible for the second goal as, in fairness to him, he worked his guts out and gave everything.

Was shocked looking at the distance run stats ( ) Flamini was about 2km ahead of his nearest rival. He ran 13km with the chasing pack all on varients of 11km. Not basing my opinion just on that though, I thought he was one of our best performers. He certainly provides better foil for Wilshere then Arteta does.

[DB10GOONER]

That said, played well until the sending off. Really took the game to Bayern, and it was sad that such a stupid rule that punishes a team twice for one offence is allowed, too often, to ruin a contest.

Not so sure about that mate. In the case of City yesterday, they deserved the double punishment. Demichelis went purely for the man, he knew he'd get a red and really just tried to take him before he got to the box. Probably he just did that, but fuck the *word censored* he was cheating, so let him have a red and a pen against his team.

I think change the rule and you'll see a lot more cynical, calculated fouls going in from players manipulating the rules. Just look at all the onside/offside bollocks that has been going on since the whole interference shit came in.

that's not really what i mean, mate. I completely accept that defenders more often than not have a choice and that citeh defender clearly deserved to see red for such a cynical foul.

what i don't like is that goalkeepers are always in a situation where they are the last man (its there position after all) so are always likely to see red and give away a penalty even if they innocently mistime a challenge. And as the last man, they have little choice but to go for the ball. Just seems a needless double punishment. In situations like last night, a penalty would surely have been enough. But the rules say red card as well.

The problem is that FIFA introduced the rule initially to stop the cynical hacking down of strikers by a last-man defender. Then FIFA realised they couldn’t trust the refs to use their discretion on what was cynical and what was an honest effort to tackle, so they introduced the arbitrary rule that it’s red for fouling and stopping any goal scoring opportunity.

I agree that a keeper shouldn’t also be sent off when he concedes a penno (unless he just hacks the player down cynically) as it’s a double punishment and too arbitrary a punishment that isn’t always justified by the offence.

[Macca]

I was impressed with first half hour...went at them...had chances (need top striker), but 2 massive mistakes cost us...don't need to spell them out.
Anyway, got to work this morning and was shown a clip of Robben spitting on Sagna when he's on the floor injured...can't see this being mentioned flicking through threads (sorry if it is already covered), did anyone else see this? F*cking disgusting!! If they do Szczesny for wanker sign surely they need to do Robben the c**t!!

[DB10GOONER]

Nah, I'm not going to try score a cheap point about Flamoney being responsible for the second goal as, in fairness to him, he worked his guts out and gave everything.

Was shocked looking at the distance run stats ( ) Flamini was about 2km ahead of his nearest rival. He ran 13km with the chasing pack all on varients of 11km. Not basing my opinion just on that though, I thought he was one of our best performers. He certainly provides better foil for Wilshere then Arteta does.

Stats...



But yeah I mostly agree. I think Arteta has been brilliant for us over the last 2 years but his legs are going and Flamoney hassled and harried non stop last night and tbh he was a good bit more disciplined than he has been previously. He certainly put Ozil to shame. Have to give credit where it's due.

But I still have this overwhelming feeling he will Hollywood tackle someone unecessarily and fuck us big time in a massive game. Can't shake that feeling...

[LDB]

I was impressed with first half hour...went at them...had chances (need top striker), but 2 massive mistakes cost us...don't need to spell them out.
Anyway, got to work this morning and was shown a clip of Robben spitting on Sagna when he's on the floor injured...can't see this being mentioned flicking through threads (sorry if it is already covered), did anyone else see this? F*cking disgusting!! If they do Szczesny for wanker sign surely they need to do Robben the c**t!!

Haven't seen it but people seem to think it was a bead of sweat?

[DB10GOONER]

I was impressed with first half hour...went at them...had chances (need top striker), but 2 massive mistakes cost us...don't need to spell them out.
Anyway, got to work this morning and was shown a clip of Robben spitting on Sagna when he's on the floor injured...can't see this being mentioned flicking through threads (sorry if it is already covered), did anyone else see this? F*cking disgusting!! If they do Szczesny for wanker sign surely they need to do Robben the c**t!!

Saw it at the time but wasn't sure if he spat on him, snotted on him or just had very heavily-white sweat running off him... or if they were just doing Number 5's porno fave of cum swapping!

[Macca]

I was impressed with first half hour...went at them...had chances (need top striker), but 2 massive mistakes cost us...don't need to spell them out.
Anyway, got to work this morning and was shown a clip of Robben spitting on Sagna when he's on the floor injured...can't see this being mentioned flicking through threads (sorry if it is already covered), did anyone else see this? F*cking disgusting!! If they do Szczesny for wanker sign surely they need to do Robben the c**t!!

Saw it at the time but wasn't sure if he spat on him, snotted on him or just had very heavily-white sweat running off him... or if they were just doing Number 5's porno fave of cum swapping!

Well he ain't a horse, they have white sweat, it wasn't jizz , spittle intended to hit Sagna's head imo...

[madjens]

Look a bit closer you'll see its a bead of sweat dripping off his chin.

[DB10GOONER]

Look a bit closer you'll see its a bead of sweat dripping off his chin.

As Number 5 will tell you; one man's sweat is another man's jizz.

[Gunner Rob]

Mertesacker comments on the official website

“It is a little blow but if you look back to last year, we lost 3-1 and so we are looking forward to Munich - why can we not repeat what happened last year?

you mean lose again?

[DB10GOONER]

Mertesacker comments on the official website

“It is a little blow but if you look back to last year, we lost 3-1 and so we are looking forward to Munich - why can we not repeat what happened last year?

you mean lose again?

Yes, Mert. You can, and will, repeat it. No worries.