As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
topgoon wrote:There are fans on here who want Barry the useless f**ktard to start for us after slagging us off and being quite frankly useless. Juventus go lumbered with him and played no striker rather than have have him.
The amount of contributions Giroud made to the good start we had this season would not have been done by even an in form Barry. This thread is getting embarrassing now.
Have to agree. The Fat Drunk is appalling. No touch, no work ethic, lazy, can't be bothered to challenge for 50% of the time, arrogant, generally just shite. A few people on here need to watch some footage of what the Fat Drunk actually does on the pitch, not listen to what he says he thinks he can do, but actually watch the footage again.
Someone said above that Giroud flicks on to nobody as if that's Giroud's fault! Dear God, do some people know nothing about the game?! We play 4-5-1 ffs. There is no one up there with him because our manager is tactically limited and our midfielders (since Ramsey got crocked) don't commit and run in behind to pick up on the flick ons. Yet we still launch balls in to him in the air and in fairness to him (unlike the Fat Drunk) Giroud shows and challenges for every one of them and wins most of them.
Also the abject lack of pace is killing us in that department. If you play a tall target man up front you either play him as part of a 4-4-2 with a partner or you have at least one or two very pacey attacking midfielders that can get in behind and latch onto the flick ons.
Giroud wins most of the balls he challenges for, he holds up and lays off well. His weakness is in finishing and in running (no pace and not sure where to run). That's because he is (at best) a second striker, NOT a first striker. The fact he has so many assists and has scored as many as he has is a miracle in that we are not playing to his strengths at all.
Nobody wants bendtner to start, what is being pointed out is that considering Giroud has only 10 league goals, then given the same amount of game time, bendtner would at least match that amount, and as ive said earlier, that doesn't say a lot for Giroud. I take DB10GOONER's point that with another player alongside him, Giroud could play up front, but realistically, if Wenger put any effort in the transfer window, Giroud wouldn't be near the team, because as the season has gone on, his performances have gotten worse and worse, Giroud has 3 goals in his last 14 games, that is a shocking return, reguardless of what formation we play, and I cant believe we have gotten to the stage, where we are justifying leaving a guy in the team,(whose job it is to score goals) while at the same time admitting he isn't a good finisher.
Agree that in a perfect world where Wenger had more brain and less arrogance Giroud would not be an Arsenal player, certainly not a first 11 player anyway. But I'm a believer in using what we have in the best way we can, and in Giroud we have a player that has demonstrated ability in certain areas, and yet we (well, Arsene) don't use him to the best of his abilities.
I absolutely stand by the point I made that the Fat Drunk Bendtner would not (and indeed has not) delivered the same amount of goals given the same opportunity. I cannot believe I'm going to use stats here and I might have to ban myself ( ) but let’s look at the fact Bendtner has never hit double figures in the PL for Arsenal and this myth he didn’t get enough opportunity. He made 27 apps in 08, 31 apps in 09, 23 apps in 2010 and 17 apps in 2011.
Apart from all that stat shite the other thing (and as they are both really second strikers rather than first strikers this is VERY relevant) you do not get the same effort from Bendtner as you do from Giroud. Bendtner is lazy, he doesn’t challenge for every scrap and his first touch and ability to hold up, lay off and pass are far far inferior to Giroud’s.
topgoon wrote:There are fans on here who want Barry the useless f**ktard to start for us after slagging us off and being quite frankly useless. Juventus go lumbered with him and played no striker rather than have have him.
The amount of contributions Giroud made to the good start we had this season would not have been done by even an in form Barry. This thread is getting embarrassing now.
Have to agree. The Fat Drunk is appalling. No touch, no work ethic, lazy, can't be bothered to challenge for 50% of the time, arrogant, generally just shite. A few people on here need to watch some footage of what the Fat Drunk actually does on the pitch, not listen to what he says he thinks he can do, but actually watch the footage again.
Someone said above that Giroud flicks on to nobody as if that's Giroud's fault! Dear God, do some people know nothing about the game?! We play 4-5-1 ffs. There is no one up there with him because our manager is tactically limited and our midfielders (since Ramsey got crocked) don't commit and run in behind to pick up on the flick ons. Yet we still launch balls in to him in the air and in fairness to him (unlike the Fat Drunk) Giroud shows and challenges for every one of them and wins most of them.
Also the abject lack of pace is killing us in that department. If you play a tall target man up front you either play him as part of a 4-4-2 with a partner or you have at least one or two very pacey attacking midfielders that can get in behind and latch onto the flick ons.
Giroud wins most of the balls he challenges for, he holds up and lays off well. His weakness is in finishing and in running (no pace and not sure where to run). That's because he is (at best) a second striker, NOT a first striker. The fact he has so many assists and has scored as many as he has is a miracle in that we are not playing to his strengths at all.
Nobody wants bendtner to start, what is being pointed out is that considering Giroud has only 10 league goals, then given the same amount of game time, bendtner would at least match that amount, and as ive said earlier, that doesn't say a lot for Giroud. I take DB10GOONER's point that with another player alongside him, Giroud could play up front, but realistically, if Wenger put any effort in the transfer window, Giroud wouldn't be near the team, because as the season has gone on, his performances have gotten worse and worse, Giroud has 3 goals in his last 14 games, that is a shocking return, reguardless of what formation we play, and I cant believe we have gotten to the stage, where we are justifying leaving a guy in the team,(whose job it is to score goals) while at the same time admitting he isn't a good finisher.
Agree that in a perfect world where Wenger had more brain and less arrogance Giroud would not be an Arsenal player, certainly not a first 11 player anyway. But I'm a believer in using what we have in the best way we can, and in Giroud we have a player that has demonstrated ability in certain areas, and yet we (well, Arsene) don't use him to the best of his abilities.
I absolutely stand by the point I made that the Fat Drunk Bendtner would not (and indeed has not) delivered the same amount of goals given the same opportunity. I cannot believe I'm going to use stats here and I might have to ban myself ( ) but let’s look at the fact Bendtner has never hit double figures in the PL for Arsenal and this myth he didn’t get enough opportunity. He made 27 apps in 08, 31 apps in 09, 23 apps in 2010 and 17 apps in 2011.
Apart from all that stat shite the other thing (and as they are both really second strikers rather than first strikers this is VERY relevant) you do not get the same effort from Bendtner as you do from Giroud. Bendtner is lazy, he doesn’t challenge for every scrap and his first touch and ability to hold up, lay off and pass are far far inferior to Giroud’s.
The argument over Bendtner is only a small issue, when it comes to it, we have a guy who has scored only 3 goals in his last 14, and only 10 league goals all season, which in my opinion is a terrible return. Giroud needs to be taken out of the team for a few games, and let Podolski have a run. Podolski seems to be judged on the rare appearances, he make(usually not for 90 minutes), but having watched Giroud in the last month or two, his performances have been terrible. Maybe a rest, might see him improve, with a massive month in March coming.
Have to agree that Giroud needs a rest. Pod will leave I reckon and that is criminal. He showed again yesteday what a good finisher he is. I think a fully fit Giroud playing in a 4-4-2 with Pod up front playing off him could be the way to go. But Wenger will never try it.
) but let’s look at the fact Bendtner has never hit double figures in the PL for Arsenal and this myth he didn’t get enough opportunity. He made 27 apps in 08, 31 apps in 09, 23 apps in 2010 and 17 apps in 2011. 
