Honestly, has tonight’s results changed your mind at all?

[Boomer]

Where are you getting all this stuff from? Who mentioned all those other years, teams etc? We are talking about this season. It has been a season of pretty poor football. Nothing negative about that. Just fact. It certainly won't lessen my enjoyment if we win t but it will be remembered historically as a poor season.

Where is the "sanctimonious crap" in that?

Oh - "gutted" when we let in a late goal at the Toffees??!! "Gutted"?? I was fucking distraught - I would have won 500 or 600 quid (can't remember which!) for the six fucking nil!!

That fucking Saha bastard...

Who remembers that stuff ? Ok tell me the last "poor" season there was ? Or even a couple of "poor" seasons ?

Think I would have remembered not winning £500/600 hundred quid!

[clockendal]

Where are you getting all this stuff from? Who mentioned all those other years, teams etc? We are talking about this season. It has been a season of pretty poor football. Nothing negative about that. Just fact. It certainly won't lessen my enjoyment if we win t but it will be remembered historically as a poor season.

Where is the "sanctimonious crap" in that?

Oh - "gutted" when we let in a late goal at the Toffees??!! "Gutted"?? I was fucking distraught - I would have won 500 or 600 quid (can't remember which!) for the six fucking nil!!

That fucking Saha bastard...

Who remembers that stuff ? Ok tell me the last "poor" season there was ? Or even a couple of "poor" seasons ?

Think I would have remembered not winning £500/600 hundred quid!

Not wrong, earlier in the season I had a tenner at 100/1 on 5-2 at home to Blackburn...who knocks in a cracker in injury time for his ONLY league goal this season

[Luca Helvetica]

Some would argue that the league has gained in quality as the chasing pack is better, I am not one of them the quality at the top has diminished slightly. But if you listen to the media as some do then the league is stronger for the teams dropping points......

To the people saying that we wouldn't deserve it after the last two results, last year Manure lost 4 - 1 to Liverpool at home and lost 2-1 away, they beat Chelsea once, but did not beat us, in total from the top 4 mini league, they took five points, one less than we have! Yes those results were disappointing but they do not define a season. The league is not handed to the winners of the top 4 mini league, it is handed to the winners of the 38 games league!

If, and it is a big IF still, we win the league, we will have deserved it as much as anyother league winner in history. I've always heard the table never lies, so why would it if we won the league?

[brazilianGOONER]

i don't give a flying fuck if this is the greatest or worse premier league ever. it is the fucking premier league, and we can win it to rub the trophy on the nose of scousers, mancs, chavskis, and, specially, spuds.

we can win it, we must win everything from now on and let the other teams do their jobs agains manure and chavskis, but it IS possible.

i am ashamed. i said i didn't believe it was possible after the defeat against chelsea and i was proved wrong again. if we manage to get a good run, we can lift that bloody trophy and i'll be the happiest man alive. worst or best PL ever. i'll still be the happiest man alive.

[rigsby]

tbh United have been pretty shit the past 3 years and still won it.

[TeeCee]

It's been a strange league this year, not so sure 'shit' is the right way of describing it. Undoubtedly the Arsenal and Man U teams are worse than recent years but Chelsea aren't weaker, player wise. What has happened is that a lot of the smaller teams have actually stepped up against the big boys rather than rolling over, particularly against Moan Ure and Chavski.

If Arsenal were to win it by some miracle, we wouldn't be the worst, some people have short memories. The Leeds team that won it in the early 90's was worse!

I think we'll still drop points against the likes of Stoke away, and a few other games too. 3rd is still most likely for us.

[DB10GOONER]

Where's all this poor league stuff coming from?



reminds of those on here who said they were gutted when we let in a late goal at everton in august......we were 6-0 up at the time!

we won the league in 89 with 76 points,was that a poor league?

did we get to the champs league final in 06 cos it was a poor champs league ,poor real madrid and juve we beat ,and chels ,mancs were knocked out?

mancs won ithe league in the mid 90s with 74 points ,was that a poor league?

did we win titles in 02 and 04 cos man u were poor?

Some are negative for the sake of it,cos they want wenger out and even if we get 80 points,it will be due to a poor league ?

I am not saying we will win it,likely we won't,but we have a shout with 12 games left and thats with a half fit squad and no strikers since october


spare me the sanctimonious crap that if we do challenge its cos of a poor league

Where are you getting all this stuff from? Who mentioned all those other years, teams etc? We are talking about this season. It has been a season of pretty poor football. Nothing negative about that. Just fact. It certainly won't lessen my enjoyment if we win it but it will be remembered historically as a poor season.

Where is the "sanctimonious crap" in that?

Oh - "gutted" when we let in a late goal at the Toffees??!! "Gutted"?? I was fucking distraught - I would have won 500 or 600 quid (can't remember which!) for the six fucking nil!!

That fucking Saha bastard...

Who remembers that stuff ? Ok tell me the last "poor" season there was ? Or even a couple of "poor" seasons ?

What? What is your point? Seriously, mate - do you read the posts? We are talking about THIS season...

Ok nice and simple for you.

What difference does it make if you think it is a poor season ?

What difference does it make if you think historically it will be remembered as a poor season ?

I just don't see why you are all banging on about it being a poor season ? What does that prove ?

Well, try and look at the bigger picture, seeing as we're being patronising now...

Nice and simple for you - my point would be that if we win this "poor" league this season I think it would go some way to papering over the cracks in the squad. Wenger will have delivered, the board will say he was right all along, the (sometimes) myopic Wenger Knows Best bridage amongst the supporters will be fullfilled, and Wenger will believe his youth project has worked and will feel totally justified in again not strengthening the squad this summer...

BUT and it's a BIG BUT... next season odds are that Manure, the Chavs and probably Citeh (maybe even Villa, the scum and the mousers too) won't be as "poor" having spent money on strengthening their squads in the off season.

If that happens then we could well be blown away next season - and that would demonstrate just what a "poor" season this current one is. How disappointing and frustrating would it be to win the bastarding thing again at last only to go straight into a dog fight for 4th place the following season?

Now, of course none of this or all of this may happen, who knows? But this forum is about opinions and that is the reason I worry about this so called "poor" PL season. Because next season probably won't be a "poor" one, but will we have the quality squad to go into it and challenge? I reckon Manure, chavs and Citeh will...

[sycicsid]

i dont think anything has changed as such but we do have outside chance with chavs and mancs losing points.

thats not to say we wont drop points but the nutty prof does have a point that those other 2 will also drop points so i think it could be possible if we tighten up a few things.

plus i find it amazing that alot of the press are going on about the penalty that didnt happen at the end of the game but dont mention the Bendtner incident that the ref got wrong, there was clear contact and we should have been given a penalty. Signs of improvement, Clichy seemed better, prefer Eboue at right back to Sagna and Diaby who was one of the hate players on this forum not so long ago is becoming a real star. Interesting statistic mentioned last night that due to injuries he hasnt been able to name the same side consecutively for 101 games!!

[clockendal]

Where are you getting all this stuff from? Who mentioned all those other years, teams etc? We are talking about this season. It has been a season of pretty poor football. Nothing negative about that. Just fact. It certainly won't lessen my enjoyment if we win it but it will be remembered historically as a poor season.

Where is the "sanctimonious crap" in that?

Oh - "gutted" when we let in a late goal at the Toffees??!! "Gutted"?? I was fucking distraught - I would have won 500 or 600 quid (can't remember which!) for the six fucking nil!!

That fucking Saha bastard...

Who remembers that stuff ? Ok tell me the last "poor" season there was ? Or even a couple of "poor" seasons ?

What? What is your point? Seriously, mate - do you read the posts? We are talking about THIS season...

Ok nice and simple for you.

What difference does it make if you think it is a poor season ?

What difference does it make if you think historically it will be remembered as a poor season ?

I just don't see why you are all banging on about it being a poor season ? What does that prove ?

Well, try and look at the bigger picture, seeing as we're being patronising now...

Nice and simple for you - my point would be that if we win this "poor" league this season I think it would go some way to papering over the cracks in the squad. Wenger will have delivered, the board will say he was right all along, the (sometimes) myopic Wenger Knows Best bridage amongst the supporters will be fullfilled, and Wenger will believe his youth project has worked and will feel totally justified in again not strengthening the squad this summer...

BUT and it's a BIG BUT... next season odds are that Manure, the Chavs and probably Citeh (maybe even Villa, the scum and the mousers too) won't be as "poor" having spent money on strengthening their squads in the off season.

If that happens then we could well be blown away next season - and that would demonstrate just what a "poor" season this current one is. How disappointing and frustrating would it be to win the bastarding thing again at last only to go straight into a dog fight for 4th place the following season?

Now, of course none of this or all of this may happen, who knows? But this forum is about opinions and that is the reason I worry about this so called "poor" PL season. Because next season probably won't be a "poor" one, but will we have the quality squad to go into it and challenge? I reckon Manure, chavs and Citeh will...

Cheers. As for the patronising "Do you read the posts" is in no way patronising is it ? Anyway I think we're both too big for petty squabbles so I'll leave it at that it's not worth getting my knickers in a twist now is it...

Ok so the reason you're all worried about THIS season being poor is because of what MIGHT happen NEXT season ?

And earlier on you were harping on about historically THIS season being remembered as poor...

It might be seen as papering over the cracks, but if we win the league I'll take that.

I'll worry about the rest of this season and hope we can win the league. I'll worry about next season when we've got this one out of the way.

[skipper]

This thread is in no way meant to be an optimist gloat, it’s an honest question. I’m an optimist (always with arsenal cant help it).

Its the fixture list that really makes me think we can do it. As mentioned in other threads manc city and spuds are the really tough fixtures and we are capable of easily winning both. If we can get a run going who knows.

Have you changed your mind at all???

I have

In my RM del office there is a Chavsky and manUre supporter - they both looked utterly confused this morning. Just when they thought (must be 3rd or 4th time this season) that they finaly got rid of us, we bounced back - yet again!!!

We can certinaly win 11 out of remaining 12 games, which will get us to 85 points. We are capable of beating those teams.

Is it going to be enough to win a league? I feking hope so

[DB10GOONER]

Who remembers that stuff ? Ok tell me the last "poor" season there was ? Or even a couple of "poor" seasons ?

What? What is your point? Seriously, mate - do you read the posts? We are talking about THIS season...

Ok nice and simple for you.

What difference does it make if you think it is a poor season ?

What difference does it make if you think historically it will be remembered as a poor season ?

I just don't see why you are all banging on about it being a poor season ? What does that prove ?

Well, try and look at the bigger picture, seeing as we're being patronising now...

Nice and simple for you - my point would be that if we win this "poor" league this season I think it would go some way to papering over the cracks in the squad. Wenger will have delivered, the board will say he was right all along, the (sometimes) myopic Wenger Knows Best bridage amongst the supporters will be fullfilled, and Wenger will believe his youth project has worked and will feel totally justified in again not strengthening the squad this summer...

BUT and it's a BIG BUT... next season odds are that Manure, the Chavs and probably Citeh (maybe even Villa, the scum and the mousers too) won't be as "poor" having spent money on strengthening their squads in the off season.

If that happens then we could well be blown away next season - and that would demonstrate just what a "poor" season this current one is. How disappointing and frustrating would it be to win the bastarding thing again at last only to go straight into a dog fight for 4th place the following season?

Now, of course none of this or all of this may happen, who knows? But this forum is about opinions and that is the reason I worry about this so called "poor" PL season. Because next season probably won't be a "poor" one, but will we have the quality squad to go into it and challenge? I reckon Manure, chavs and Citeh will...

Cheers. As for the patronising "Do you read the posts" is in no way patronising is it ? Anyway I think we're both too big for petty squabbles so I'll leave it at that it's not worth getting my knickers in a twist now is it...

Ok so the reason you're all worried about THIS season being poor is because of what MIGHT happen NEXT season ?

And earlier on you were harping on about historically THIS season being remembered as poor...

It might be seen as papering over the cracks, but if we win the league I'll take that.

I'll worry about the rest of this season and hope we can win the league. I'll worry about next season when we've got this one out of the way.

I'd certainly take it too. But this issue leads to bigger issues for me; is Wenger still the right man for the job? How long will this project of his be allowed to go on? Would winning it this year mean another 6 years to follow of winning nothing?

I wouldn't view people thinking this season as "poor" and worrying about next season as being mutually exclusive...

[clockendal]

What? What is your point? Seriously, mate - do you read the posts? We are talking about THIS season...

Ok nice and simple for you.

What difference does it make if you think it is a poor season ?

What difference does it make if you think historically it will be remembered as a poor season ?

I just don't see why you are all banging on about it being a poor season ? What does that prove ?

Well, try and look at the bigger picture, seeing as we're being patronising now...

Nice and simple for you - my point would be that if we win this "poor" league this season I think it would go some way to papering over the cracks in the squad. Wenger will have delivered, the board will say he was right all along, the (sometimes) myopic Wenger Knows Best bridage amongst the supporters will be fullfilled, and Wenger will believe his youth project has worked and will feel totally justified in again not strengthening the squad this summer...

BUT and it's a BIG BUT... next season odds are that Manure, the Chavs and probably Citeh (maybe even Villa, the scum and the mousers too) won't be as "poor" having spent money on strengthening their squads in the off season.

If that happens then we could well be blown away next season - and that would demonstrate just what a "poor" season this current one is. How disappointing and frustrating would it be to win the bastarding thing again at last only to go straight into a dog fight for 4th place the following season?

Now, of course none of this or all of this may happen, who knows? But this forum is about opinions and that is the reason I worry about this so called "poor" PL season. Because next season probably won't be a "poor" one, but will we have the quality squad to go into it and challenge? I reckon Manure, chavs and Citeh will...

Cheers. As for the patronising "Do you read the posts" is in no way patronising is it ? Anyway I think we're both too big for petty squabbles so I'll leave it at that it's not worth getting my knickers in a twist now is it...

Ok so the reason you're all worried about THIS season being poor is because of what MIGHT happen NEXT season ?

And earlier on you were harping on about historically THIS season being remembered as poor...

It might be seen as papering over the cracks, but if we win the league I'll take that.

I'll worry about the rest of this season and hope we can win the league. I'll worry about next season when we've got this one out of the way.

I'd certainly take it too. But this issue leads to bigger issues for me; is Wenger still the right man for the job? How long will this project of his be allowed to go on? Would winning it this year mean another 6 years to follow of winning nothing?

I wouldn't view people thinking this season as "poor" and worrying about next season as being mutually exclusive...

I can see where you're coming from there.

That said, if we win the league, has the project failed ?

Ah yes it has, because we only won it because the rest were poor ? To my mind makes no difference. If we win the league it's because over 38 games we deserved it. Not becasue the rest were poor.

I do see what you are saying in terms of the future, I guess it comes down to different ways of thinking about things. What annoys me and I think others tis that when people are saying it's a poor season it's another way of being negative at Arsenal and having a go at them. Based on what you and others have said that is not the case, but that's certainly how it comes across...

At the end of the day (had to throw one in...) I just hope that come May we've pulled off some miracle and I am getting pissed up somewhere in the north london sunshine..

[DB10GOONER]

I'd certainly take it too. But this issue leads to bigger issues for me; is Wenger still the right man for the job? How long will this project of his be allowed to go on? Would winning it this year mean another 6 years to follow of winning nothing?

I wouldn't view people thinking this season as "poor" and worrying about next season as being mutually exclusive...

I can see where you're coming from there.

That said, if we win the league, has the project failed ?

Ah yes it has, because we only won it because the rest were poor ? To my mind makes no difference. If we win the league it's because over 38 games we deserved it. Not becasue the rest were poor.

I do see what you are saying in terms of the future, I guess it comes down to different ways of thinking about things. What annoys me and I think others tis that when people are saying it's a poor season it's another way of being negative at Arsenal and having a go at them. Based on what you and others have said that is not the case, but that's certainly how it comes across...

At the end of the day (had to throw one in...) I just hope that come May we've pulled off some miracle and I am getting pissed up somewhere in the north london sunshine..

Sorry - had to knock the quote tower down a tad!

Interesting point if we win it then is Wenger's project succesful... I'd think yes if we go on to win another one straight away, but no if we then don't compete after the one PL trophy this season.

Must agree that the media are overplaying the "poor" league bit but then when were those crunts anything but scaremongers and gossip breeders?

I personally think (no matter how strong or weak the PL is) the best team always wins it (except 2003!!) and that is no meagre feat.

Hope to be celebrating with ya in May, mate!!

[clockendal]

I'd certainly take it too. But this issue leads to bigger issues for me; is Wenger still the right man for the job? How long will this project of his be allowed to go on? Would winning it this year mean another 6 years to follow of winning nothing?

I wouldn't view people thinking this season as "poor" and worrying about next season as being mutually exclusive...

I can see where you're coming from there.

That said, if we win the league, has the project failed ?

Ah yes it has, because we only won it because the rest were poor ? To my mind makes no difference. If we win the league it's because over 38 games we deserved it. Not becasue the rest were poor.

I do see what you are saying in terms of the future, I guess it comes down to different ways of thinking about things. What annoys me and I think others tis that when people are saying it's a poor season it's another way of being negative at Arsenal and having a go at them. Based on what you and others have said that is not the case, but that's certainly how it comes across...

At the end of the day (had to throw one in...) I just hope that come May we've pulled off some miracle and I am getting pissed up somewhere in the north london sunshine..

Sorry - had to knock the quote tower down a tad!

Interesting point if we win it then is Wenger's project succesful... I'd think yes if we go on to win another one straight away, but no if we then don't compete after the one PL trophy this season.

Must agree that the media are overplaying the "poor" league bit but then when were those crunts anything but scaremongers and gossip breeders?

I personally think (no matter how strong or weak the PL is) the best team always wins it (except 2003!!) and that is no meagre feat.

Hope to be celebrating with ya in May, mate!!

[Number 5]

Absolutely not. To answer the question on page 1.

I am pretty amazed to be hearing all day and not just bits and pieces on here that we'll hit some kind of 12 game unbeaten run from here on in possibly all games being winnable.

Have these people not been watching Arsenal this year so far?

You couldn't say any team in the league has shown that kind of potential this year.

This mother fucker still recalls Sunderland away and West Ham away all too freshly to contemplate us being in with a shot. My son asked me on the walk to school this morning if we're back in it and I'll say the same thing here I said to him.

Ask me again after our next 5 league games.