GAZIDIS - A DISGRACE & MORE CULPABLE THAN WENGER

[Babatunde]

I would STILL like to know how Gazidis is responsible for the following:

2. Letting Flamini's contract run down
3. Failing to sign a defender last January
7. Choosing to blow £13 mil on some kid from League 1
10. Keeping Armand Traore on ludicrous wages for over 3 years.

As soon as I get answers for how Gazidis is responsible for that then, I'll hold my hands up and admit I am wrong to slate Wenger.

Not taking the piss here but are you suggesting that it's Wenger that caused the above ones?

My understanding is Wenger doesn't negotiate the players contracts nor is he responsible for negotiating the transfer deals.

You actually think Wenger had nothing to do with the agreement to pay £13 mil for Ox Chamberlain? Did you actually listen to a word Gazidis said to the fans in the annual supporters Q&A? Obviously not.

Wenger is involved in ALL aspects of transfers. Ranging from how much we pay to length of contract. But of course, those facts wouldn't suit your theory so best to just conveniently gloss over them...Nothing to see here...

[rigsby]

The best thing would be if Wenger wasn't involved. He just identifies the players and whoever is in bloody charge goes out and gets them. No fuckign about on the price. Arsenal seem to think we all want 40 mil superstars in the team, we don't nobody is calling for that. Its a line they pull up a lot and is massively wrong.

We just want quality.

[kiwomya]

I would STILL like to know how Gazidis is responsible for the following:

2. Letting Flamini's contract run down
3. Failing to sign a defender last January
7. Choosing to blow £13 mil on some kid from League 1
10. Keeping Armand Traore on ludicrous wages for over 3 years.

As soon as I get answers for how Gazidis is responsible for that then, I'll hold my hands up and admit I am wrong to slate Wenger.

Not taking the piss here but are you suggesting that it's Wenger that caused the above ones?

My understanding is Wenger doesn't negotiate the players contracts nor is he responsible for negotiating the transfer deals.

You actually think Wenger had nothing to do with the agreement to pay £13 mil for Ox Chamberlain? Did you actually listen to a word Gazidis said to the fans in the annual supporters Q&A? Obviously not.

Wenger is involved in ALL aspects of transfers. Ranging from how much we pay to length of contract. But of course, those facts wouldn't suit your theory so best to just conveniently gloss over them...Nothing to see here...

I only asked if you thought Wenger was responsible for those particular points you raised.

I can't be bothered to properly respond to you anymore. YAWN.

[SPUDMASHER]

So spuddy if your theory is correct does that mean you absolve wenger for his part in any deceitful conspiracy ? This is arsene wenger, a man of impeachable integrity, lying barefaced to the fans on a regular basis so surely he would be held accountable for the disception too ? It should also be pointed out that this rumoured deception started at a time when wenger could do no wrong with most Gooners so if he had of opposed to workings of this policy then I am damn sure that 99.9% of fans would have sided with him

Tbh this doesnt stack up for me - wenger is a guy who has always resented having to spend money so I dont really see or hear anything different from him. For me this is a convenient way of deflecting blame for a man who has been allowed assume far too much power for far too long to the point that I believe the board (useless greedy c**ts one and all ) were afraid to oppose him as opposed to the other way around

Not my theory Baldy!....Martin Keown's theory. I'm just informing you of what I heard on the radio.

Now go and lick some stamps

[flash gunner]

The best thing would be if Wenger wasn't involved. He just identifies the players and whoever is in bloody charge goes out and gets them. No fuckign about on the price. Arsenal seem to think we all want 40 mil superstars in the team, we don't nobody is calling for that. Its a line they pull up a lot and is massively wrong.

We just want quality.

Spot on mate

[SWLGooner]

I would STILL like to know how Gazidis is responsible for the following:

2. Letting Flamini's contract run down
3. Failing to sign a defender last January
7. Choosing to blow £13 mil on some kid from League 1
10. Keeping Armand Traore on ludicrous wages for over 3 years.

As soon as I get answers for how Gazidis is responsible for that then, I'll hold my hands up and admit I am wrong to slate Wenger.

Not taking the piss here but are you suggesting that it's Wenger that caused the above ones?

My understanding is Wenger doesn't negotiate the players contracts nor is he responsible for negotiating the transfer deals.

So he has palmed off a crucial part of his job?

[Jumpers For Goalposts]

I'm not sure if I've read every word of this thread but it seems to me that one person (Roly) is blaming Gazidis for most of our problems whilst others have pointed out Wenger's all too obvious flaws. BUT - and it is a big BUT - - - - - - unless I've missed it, not one person has mentioned the K word.

Kroenke!!

He owns the bloody club; he's been on the Board since April 2007; his arrival has co-incided with major upheaval on the Board; and Kroenke hasn't said a single f**king word in public in his 4 & 1/2 years on the Board.

Gazidis doesn't own the Club - he's an employee of Arsenal FC so ultimately Kroenke is his boss. He might be as inspiring as diarrhoea but how the hell can Gazidis be held responsible for our "misfortunes"? Surely we need to be directing some searching questions at Wenger (the team manager) and Kroenke (the owner). Or have I missed something??

[kiwomya]

I would STILL like to know how Gazidis is responsible for the following:

2. Letting Flamini's contract run down
3. Failing to sign a defender last January
7. Choosing to blow £13 mil on some kid from League 1
10. Keeping Armand Traore on ludicrous wages for over 3 years.

As soon as I get answers for how Gazidis is responsible for that then, I'll hold my hands up and admit I am wrong to slate Wenger.

Not taking the piss here but are you suggesting that it's Wenger that caused the above ones?

My understanding is Wenger doesn't negotiate the players contracts nor is he responsible for negotiating the transfer deals.

So he has palmed off a crucial part of his job?

In my opinion, that is the general misconception.

Wenger HAS to be involved in certain aspects - not denying that. But do people really think that it's just Gazidis and Wenger that do the contracts and the deals?

This is only my understanding but Arsenal have Richard Law and David Miles and they are the deal makers.

[usb]

I am not here to defend Wenger but the personal foul mouthed abuse he has endured on forums such as this is completely wrong and unfair.

Wrong because I believe Wenger is a decent man who has done wonders for the club if you consider his 15 years as a whole.

Unfair because he has been hung out to dry by Gazidis who has given him no public support at all.

All the criticisms of Wenger are based on the assumption that he has total control over transfer policy, transfer fees and wages.

It is impossible in an organisation as big as Arsenal for one man to have so much responsibility for both on and off field matters without help - something has to give and boy did last Sunday prove that.

So what is Gazidis` role and why do I blame him more than Wenger for the transfer farce?

Its not denied by the club so must be true but take last January when apparently we did not buy Phil Jones because Wenger thought he was overpriced by £2m. Ultimately we offered much more a few months later and of course he went elsewhere.

So the question that Gazidis will not answer is why, as Chief Executive, he did not say to Wenger something along the lines of " I hear what you say about the price but don`t you worry about the finances- that is my responsibility - if you want him I will see what can be done".

That, I suggest, is the more normal relationship between Chief Executive and manager but not here. Here we are lumbered with a Chief Exeucutive who wants no responsibility, takes no responsibility and allows Wenger to take all the flack. And why should he take responsibility and go out and invest in players - after all he recently got a massive bonus-reportedly about £800,000.00 which presumably is based on profitability of the club -and investment in players could impact on profits and bonuses. what a conflict of interest that could be but of course we dont know because nobody tells us why Gazidis was awarded such a large bonus but it is a question that should be answered.

At the beginning of the summer it was obvious Fab was leaving and soon it became clear so was Nasri. Surely it was Gazidis responsibility as Chief Executive to have secured an extension to Nasri`s contract a long long time ago.

Its not as if there has been no precedents at the club eg Flamini but this leads on to another problem with Gazidis. He arrived at Arsenal with no experience at all of the British and European transfer market. Whereas Dein`s contacts book would be the size of an encyclopaedia , the contact book of Gazidis would be empty at worst, at best fit into your back pocket.

So we have a Chief Executive who has no experience in transfers and wants no responsibility. No wonder we have experienced the shambles of the past few days.

And so to the last few days. Suddenly Wenger has a shopping list and somebody is there to help but it aint Mr Gazidis because he is clueless. Emerges on the scene a Mr. Law and an army of negotiators to scramble around for players with the club very much on the backfoot and probably ending up with some players about whom Wenger is unsure.

Moving on- once Arsenal has made it decision and sell its soul ie go foreign why, unless for self interest has Gazidis supported Kroenke rather than Usmanov. If you are going to be owned by a billionaire you might as well go with the far richer of the two who apparently wants to chuck money at Arsenal and loads of it. Sure Usmanov may have skeletons in his cupboard but dont most multi billionaires. Moralising over ownership ended the moment the decision to go foreign was made

Maybe Mr. Law and his team were put together by Gazidis - who knows - but will Gazidis ever explain why everything was done at the last minute.

Wenger has a track record of success - a manager that is still well regarded in football circles despite recent problems; Gazidis has no such track record in European football and has showed no signs of learning on the job.

The focus has been too much on Wenger and being the man he is, he has not sought to blame anyone else.

We should do the job for him and demand the removal of Gazidis and replaced by somebody far more competent and experienced when it comes to the issues most important to the supporters.

And I have not even mentioned the Gazidis pricing review- another sore issue.

Finally Gooner Ed discouraged letters of complaint being sent in to or about Gazidis. There is no doubt at all the tide has turned in that supporters have been increasingly critical of the board and i believe that criticism has been partly the reason behind the free ticket offer and the manic transfer activity.

Register your protests with the club. It can and I believe does work.

Fine but you have overlooked one important fact and that is that Gazidis is Wenger's man, Wenger personally chose him as the CEO. I would go so far as to say that he is Wenger's personal gofer so I'm certain that everything he does is OK'd by Wenger first.

[Number 5]

this thread is aimed at gazidis `s culpability. i have started a reasonably sensible thread about a particular subject matter so for once it would nice to keep it like that.

if the chap who responded with criticisms about wenger starts a separate thread i will reply but i am not absolving wenger of all responsibility. obviously he is at fault for wrong tactics etc - not even i can blame gazidis for that - but i`m only in this thread concerned about responsibility for wages transfer policy and the like and i think its outrageous how gazidis appears to escape all blame with one contributor here going as far as to say it aint his responsibility at all.

No it's not.

But if it is, you are making a wrong ass thread about it. You know you are wrong, that is why you only wish to reply to what suits you.

I've pulled you up earlier, no direct response.

All the criticisms of Wenger are based on the assumption that he has total control over transfer policy, transfer fees and wages.

Your thread hinges on this statement. It is fairly general so will receive general replies to point out your errors.

What fucking law do you do? None that invloves summations or explantions to people I hope. You could be interpreted in a hundred different ways.

Or is that the point?

[Bergkamp-Genius]

So spuddy if your theory is correct does that mean you absolve wenger for his part in any deceitful conspiracy ? This is arsene wenger, a man of impeachable integrity, lying barefaced to the fans on a regular basis so surely he would be held accountable for the disception too ? It should also be pointed out that this rumoured deception started at a time when wenger could do no wrong with most Gooners so if he had of opposed to workings of this policy then I am damn sure that 99.9% of fans would have sided with him

Tbh this doesnt stack up for me - wenger is a guy who has always resented having to spend money so I dont really see or hear anything different from him. For me this is a convenient way of deflecting blame for a man who has been allowed assume far too much power for far too long to the point that I believe the board (useless greedy c**ts one and all ) were afraid to oppose him as opposed to the other way around

Totally agree with augie here

Me too...

I think what some just can't get in to there heads is Wenger is not treated like a normal manager...He has been allowed to involve himself and have a major influence in every facet of the club, he's not like an employee he may as well be one of the owners because that is the kind of influence he has at the club...
Fizsman and co had such respect for him after his first eight or nine years at the club that they pretty much allowed him to become god like...As much as it's used a bit tongue in cheek we really have become Arsene FC...We are operating under his footballing and financial philosophies and his opinion on everything is gospel or at least it has been up til recently..

The idea that Gaz would come in from nowhere and over ride what Wenger wants and what Wenger thinks is laughable, he is nothing more than an employee he does what he is told if he didn't he wouldn't be there..he certainly wasn't brought in to tell god he was wrong and to leave it to him, a guy who knew nothing about English football..

As someone has already suggested if people are going to look for a scapegoat to deflect attention from Wenger then the only person who has more power at the club is the owner.. And you can't really blame him cos he has only had control for 5 minutes...It's not really in his interest to start rocking the boat with a manger thats been here 15 odd years the minute he takes over..Especially as Wengers way has up til now brought the club/owners the success financially that attracted him to the club in the first place, which is why his way was allowed to continue prior to Kroenke ..

People should listen a bit more to what comes out of wengers mouth it's very revealing... when he talks about how we operate and everything that goes on at the club, especially regarding transfers and wages, it's always about him...not us, as in the collective of board and manager, it's about what he thinks, what he wants, what he's going to do, what he's done...

I guarantee if the last few years had been gloriously successful with regards silverware, as Wenger thought they would..The world and his dog would be hailing Wengers transfer policy, not the boards, Wengers policy on wages,not the boards, Wengers youth policy,not the boards, as revolutionary and genius and he would have been only too happy to sit back and soak up the glory for HIS work....So now it's time to take resposibility for the failure of it....

[MK Gould]

I'm not sure if I've read every word of this thread but it seems to me that one person (Roly) is blaming Gazidis for most of our problems whilst others have pointed out Wenger's all too obvious flaws. BUT - and it is a big BUT - - - - - - unless I've missed it, not one person has mentioned the K word.

Kroenke!!

He owns the bloody club; he's been on the Board since April 2007; his arrival has co-incided with major upheaval on the Board; and Kroenke hasn't said a single f**king word in public in his 4 & 1/2 years on the Board.

Gazidis doesn't own the Club - he's an employee of Arsenal FC so ultimately Kroenke is his boss. He might be as inspiring as diarrhoea but how the hell can Gazidis be held responsible for our "misfortunes"? Surely we need to be directing some searching questions at Wenger (the team manager) and Kroenke (the owner). Or have I missed something??

Forgot about him.... !

Anyone know how many games he has attended in that time?

[QuartzGooner]

From what I have read, seen and heard on the subject over the years:

I think Wenger gets given an annual amount of money by the board, which is ultimately now run by Kroenke.
This money covers transfer fees, wages and bonus payments.
Wenger is not obliged to use all of it, and he can divide it it how he pleases.

Gazidis is more involved with daily operating duties such as administrative staff wages and hiring, commercial deals and sponsorship, and overseeing public relations.
During transfer windows he is also involved in transfers.
He consults with Wenger on almost a daily basis, but very much on Wenger's terms.

Dick Law and David Miles do the nuts and bolts player contracts, personal terms, FA administrative duties.
They are advised by director Ken Friar, and aided by club lawyer Svenja Geissmar.

Miles also is in charge of liaison with other clubs prior to fixtures, arranging travel, accommodation, parking, hospitality for directors etc.

[exiledgooner]

Gazidis is more involved with daily operating duties such as administrative staff wages and hiring, commercial deals and sponsorship, and overseeing public relations.

in all three of them he's proving to be a disaster

bring back dein

[rolypoly]

the comments made demonstrate that most of us are in the dark as to where responsibility for transfers truly lies and in particular who was responsible for last minute panic buying.

mates ask what i think about the transfers. i liken it to shopping on xmas eve . you have done your duty you dont have to feel too guilty you might have got something ok but in your heart of hearts you know with more planning you could and should have done better.

does anyone know what gazidis did to earn his £800,000 bonus. from comments made on here it seems he has bugger all responsibility for anything . no wonder he is so smug.

incidentally can anyone explain why gooner ed will not rise to the challenge and tender his honest appraisal of gazidis- i suspect he knows gazidis far better than any of us and in a better position to comment on his role

i hope its not true ken friar is still involved. he is a dinosaur way past his sell by date. if he is still involved that would go someway to explaining why the club is such a shambles but my main target is still gazidis-get rid of him please.

one final thought - arguably some comments made in my opening post could be regarded as defamatory if inaccurate and therefore pulled. maybe i am close to the truth - or maybe gazidis so well protected( inc by gooner" dont complain to gazidis" ed )does not care.