GAZIDIS - A DISGRACE & MORE CULPABLE THAN WENGER

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GAZIDIS - A DISGRACE & MORE CULPABLE THAN WENGER

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I am not here to defend Wenger but the personal foul mouthed abuse he has endured on forums such as this is completely wrong and unfair.

Wrong because I believe Wenger is a decent man who has done wonders for the club if you consider his 15 years as a whole.

Unfair because he has been hung out to dry by Gazidis who has given him no public support at all.

All the criticisms of Wenger are based on the assumption that he has total control over transfer policy, transfer fees and wages.

It is impossible in an organisation as big as Arsenal for one man to have so much responsibility for both on and off field matters without help - something has to give and boy did last Sunday prove that.

So what is Gazidis` role and why do I blame him more than Wenger for the transfer farce?

Its not denied by the club so must be true but take last January when apparently we did not buy Phil Jones because Wenger thought he was overpriced by £2m. Ultimately we offered much more a few months later and of course he went elsewhere.

So the question that Gazidis will not answer is why, as Chief Executive, he did not say to Wenger something along the lines of " I hear what you say about the price but don`t you worry about the finances- that is my responsibility - if you want him I will see what can be done".

That, I suggest, is the more normal relationship between Chief Executive and manager but not here. Here we are lumbered with a Chief Exeucutive who wants no responsibility, takes no responsibility and allows Wenger to take all the flack. And why should he take responsibility and go out and invest in players - after all he recently got a massive bonus-reportedly about £800,000.00 which presumably is based on profitability of the club -and investment in players could impact on profits and bonuses. what a conflict of interest that could be but of course we dont know because nobody tells us why Gazidis was awarded such a large bonus but it is a question that should be answered.

At the beginning of the summer it was obvious Fab was leaving and soon it became clear so was Nasri. Surely it was Gazidis responsibility as Chief Executive to have secured an extension to Nasri`s contract a long long time ago.

Its not as if there has been no precedents at the club eg Flamini but this leads on to another problem with Gazidis. He arrived at Arsenal with no experience at all of the British and European transfer market. Whereas Dein`s contacts book would be the size of an encyclopaedia , the contact book of Gazidis would be empty at worst, at best fit into your back pocket.

So we have a Chief Executive who has no experience in transfers and wants no responsibility. No wonder we have experienced the shambles of the past few days.

And so to the last few days. Suddenly Wenger has a shopping list and somebody is there to help but it aint Mr Gazidis because he is clueless. Emerges on the scene a Mr. Law and an army of negotiators to scramble around for players with the club very much on the backfoot and probably ending up with some players about whom Wenger is unsure.

Moving on- once Arsenal has made it decision and sell its soul ie go foreign why, unless for self interest has Gazidis supported Kroenke rather than Usmanov. If you are going to be owned by a billionaire you might as well go with the far richer of the two who apparently wants to chuck money at Arsenal and loads of it. Sure Usmanov may have skeletons in his cupboard but dont most multi billionaires. Moralising over ownership ended the moment the decision to go foreign was made

Maybe Mr. Law and his team were put together by Gazidis - who knows - but will Gazidis ever explain why everything was done at the last minute.

Wenger has a track record of success - a manager that is still well regarded in football circles despite recent problems; Gazidis has no such track record in European football and has showed no signs of learning on the job.

The focus has been too much on Wenger and being the man he is, he has not sought to blame anyone else.

We should do the job for him and demand the removal of Gazidis and replaced by somebody far more competent and experienced when it comes to the issues most important to the supporters.

And I have not even mentioned the Gazidis pricing review- another sore issue.

Finally Gooner Ed discouraged letters of complaint being sent in to or about Gazidis. There is no doubt at all the tide has turned in that supporters have been increasingly critical of the board and i believe that criticism has been partly the reason behind the free ticket offer and the manic transfer activity.

Register your protests with the club. It can and I believe does work.

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Wonder what Gooner Ed's thoughts on this are? :? :?

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So Gooner Ed is not totally to blame then? :shock:


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Real ale is what we need, none of that pissy lager shit 8)

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I'm with you on this Roly :barscarf:

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the abuse of Wenger using the word c**t etc is wrong but I still stand by the fact that Wenger is still on trial here and a couple of signings wont mask that fact in my opinion.
Whether you blame the board and Gazidis or not, wengers tactics were as much to blame as his lack of signings for the 8-2 game. If we still go gung-ho like that, even with the new signings, we will still have massive problems.
As I have said before Wengers signings will turn us from a midtable club into a Top 6- I think the Top 4 positions are a bridge too far for our current squad as it is.

Things are better but all is far from rosy in the Wenger garden.

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Wengerball wrote:the abuse of Wenger using the word c**t etc is wrong but I still stand by the fact that Wenger is still on trial here and a couple of signings wont mask that fact in my opinion.
Whether you blame the board and Gazidis or not, wengers tactics were as much to blame as his lack of signings for the 8-2 game. If we still go gung-ho like that, even with the new signings, we will still have massive problems.
As I have said before Wengers signings will turn us from a midtable club into a Top 6- I think the Top 4 positions are a bridge too far for our current squad as it is.

Things are better but all is far from rosy in the Wenger garden.
oi dont steal my fucking lines 8) :wink:

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Re: GAZIDIS - A DISGRACE & MORE CULPABLE THAN WENGER

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rolypoly wrote:I am not here to defend Wenger but the personal foul mouthed abuse he has endured on forums such as this is completely wrong and unfair.

Wrong because I believe Wenger is a decent man who has done wonders for the club if you consider his 15 years as a whole.
Wenger 'is a decent man'?

Some random choices here.

1. 'Second place for the next 20 years'
2. Getting so shafted by the board he is willing to sign up a new megabucks contract for himself in double-time. yeah poor Arsene
3. Consistently lying to supporters
4. Barring fans from dialogue after someone dared to criticize his fluffer Silvestre
5. 'Haven't worked half a day in football'
6. Content to pick up £6.5 million a year in wages for winning fuck all, but then moaning about wages in football.
7. Talking about 'financial doping' and then paying shits like Diaby, Song, Denilson, Bendtner and Chamakh up to £80k a week (in the case of Chamakh)
8. Using the post-Udinese game to have a pop at fans who dared to question him. He weren't such a fucking loudmouth after Old Trafford a few days later was he?
9. Lying to fans and telling them he never knew Vermaelen would be out all season. Then two months later, admitting that he knew Vermaelen would be out for the whole season.
10. Actually coming out and justifying the 6.5% price hike.
11. Disrespected the Arsenal captaincy by tossing it around to uncommited players (even letting Nasri wear it in pre-season)

Nope. Wenger is a *word censored*.

I actually have more respect for Alex Ferguson because he doesn't lie so brazenly to ManUre fans. Whne he obviously had a problem with the board a few years back, he just kept his counsel to himself. He did not confirm or deny anything.

Wenger goes out of his way to lie. He's a *word censored*, he's a greedy self-serving capitalist who hides in a social egalitarian's clothing. When the reality is, he's as greedy and money obsessed as they come.

Wenger OUT.

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Babatunde wrote:
rolypoly wrote:I am not here to defend Wenger but the personal foul mouthed abuse he has endured on forums such as this is completely wrong and unfair.

Wrong because I believe Wenger is a decent man who has done wonders for the club if you consider his 15 years as a whole.
Wenger 'is a decent man'?

Some random choices here.

1. 'Second place for the next 20 years'
2. Getting so shafted by the board he is willing to sign up a new megabucks contract for himself in double-time. yeah poor Arsene
3. Consistently lying to supporters
4. Barring fans from dialogue after someone dared to criticize his fluffer Silvestre
5. 'Haven't worked half a day in football'
6. Content to pick up £6.5 million a year in wages for winning fuck all, but then moaning about wages in football.
7. Talking about 'financial doping' and then paying shits like Diaby, Song, Denilson, Bendtner and Chamakh up to £80k a week (in the case of Chamakh)
8. Using the post-Udinese game to have a pop at fans who dared to question him. He weren't such a fucking loudmouth after Old Trafford a few days later was he?
9. Lying to fans and telling them he never knew Vermaelen would be out all season. Then two months later, admitting that he knew Vermaelen would be out for the whole season.
10. Actually coming out and justifying the 6.5% price hike.
11. Disrespected the Arsenal captaincy by tossing it around to uncommited players (even letting Nasri wear it in pre-season)

Nope. Wenger is a c**t.

I actually have more respect for Alex Ferguson because he doesn't lie so brazenly to ManUre fans. Whne he obviously had a problem with the board a few years back, he just kept his counsel to himself. He did not confirm or deny anything.

Wenger goes out of his way to lie. He's a c**t, he's a greedy self-serving capitalist who hides in a social egalitarian's clothing. When the reality is, he's as greedy and money obsessed as they come.

Wenger OUT.
I'm sorry, what are you trying to say here? Wenger good or bad?

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LOL DB10.

Trying to say I heart Wenger

xxx

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Babatunde wrote:LOL DB10.

Trying to say I heart Wenger

xxx
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Eurgh...

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Babatunde wrote:Eurgh...
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Great post Roly.

I don't think Wenger is exactly innocent, but I agree that the Gazidis role is very unclear and seemingly poorly performed. If Wenger wants a player and has specified a good price then I don't think it should be referred back to Wenger if we have to pay a little over the top. Gazidis should make this call - as Dein did in the past.

And I do agree that it's unfair for Wenger to take all the flack over our transfer policy. The Board have tended to be silent on such matters. Is it Wenger who has refused to spend in the past? Should he have that much power...? Still points at Gazidis doing a poor job.

Last night on Sky they alluded to the ridiculous money that Bendtner is on. Who negotiates this? Who decided to pay our "prospects" over the odds while having a salary cap that prevents the like of Nasri, Cesc, Flamini, Hleb....Cole earning what they are worth? Surely that isn't Wenger's job to define such policy.

And when you mention the bonus paid to Gazidis then it does make you wonder just how much of our relatively high wage bill does go to the silent Directors of this club.

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Babatunde wrote:
rolypoly wrote:I am not here to defend Wenger but the personal foul mouthed abuse he has endured on forums such as this is completely wrong and unfair.

Wrong because I believe Wenger is a decent man who has done wonders for the club if you consider his 15 years as a whole.
Wenger 'is a decent man'?

Some random choices here.

1. 'Second place for the next 20 years'
2. Getting so shafted by the board he is willing to sign up a new megabucks contract for himself in double-time. yeah poor Arsene
3. Consistently lying to supporters
4. Barring fans from dialogue after someone dared to criticize his fluffer Silvestre
5. 'Haven't worked half a day in football'
6. Content to pick up £6.5 million a year in wages for winning fuck all, but then moaning about wages in football.
7. Talking about 'financial doping' and then paying shits like Diaby, Song, Denilson, Bendtner and Chamakh up to £80k a week (in the case of Chamakh)
8. Using the post-Udinese game to have a pop at fans who dared to question him. He weren't such a fucking loudmouth after Old Trafford a few days later was he?
9. Lying to fans and telling them he never knew Vermaelen would be out all season. Then two months later, admitting that he knew Vermaelen would be out for the whole season.
10. Actually coming out and justifying the 6.5% price hike.
11. Disrespected the Arsenal captaincy by tossing it around to uncommited players (even letting Nasri wear it in pre-season)

Nope. Wenger is a c**t.

I actually have more respect for Alex Ferguson because he doesn't lie so brazenly to ManUre fans. Whne he obviously had a problem with the board a few years back, he just kept his counsel to himself. He did not confirm or deny anything.

Wenger goes out of his way to lie. He's a c**t, he's a greedy self-serving capitalist who hides in a social egalitarian's clothing. When the reality is, he's as greedy and money obsessed as they come.

Wenger OUT.
I'd love to see Roly answer this post but we all know he wont

Good post Marty :wink:

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