Is Gibbs good enough

[robbo10]

Gibbs must be the only Full Back in the country who never actually scores any goals

That's why I was surprised someone on here (Sam59) said he is a left mid-fielder playing left back,he loses the plot in front of goal and never really looks like he'll score,having said that he has set up a few goals that I can remember,he does seem a really nice kid too,

[robbo10]

He isnt good enough but if you were to line up all the players not good enough for Arsenal in order of shiteness he wouldnt be at the front of the queue

He's probably not helped by having someone in front of him playing left-midfield who actually DOESN'T want to be playing left-midfield,and that stems back to Wenger.

[DB10GOONER]

He isnt good enough but if you were to line up all the players not good enough for Arsenal in order of shiteness he wouldnt be at the front of the queue

He's probably not helped by having someone in front of him playing left-midfield who actually DOESN'T want to be playing left-midfield,and that stems back to Wenger.

It's a good point tbh. Also, I know it's easy to blame nearly every woe on Wenger, but I'd imagine Gibbs is probably not actually coached as a fullback but rather just told to keep passing it tippy tappy. Someone (Keown maybe?) said the other day all Wenger does in training is conditioning work and tight little passing sessions. It's basic stuff but a FB needs a different set of skills than a central midfielder and needs to be coached in what his responsibilities are and how they fit into the system.

Wether Arsene likes it or not, footballers aren't perfect, they have limitations, things they are good at and bad at. That is why the best most successful coaches fit the system to the strengths of the players they actually have, rather than decide on a system and then wedge the players into it even if they are not suited to it.

[goonersid]

He isnt good enough but if you were to line up all the players not good enough for Arsenal in order of shiteness he wouldnt be at the front of the queue

He's probably not helped by having someone in front of him playing left-midfield who actually DOESN'T want to be playing left-midfield,and that stems back to Wenger.

It's a good point tbh. Also, I know it's easy to blame nearly every woe on Wenger, but I'd imagine Gibbs is probably not actually coached as a fullback but rather just told to keep passing it tippy tappy. Someone (Keown maybe?) said the other day all Wenger does in training is conditioning work and tight little passing sessions. It's basic stuff but a FB needs a different set of skills than a central midfielder and needs to be coached in what his responsibilities are and how they fit into the system.

Wether Arsene likes it or not, footballers aren't perfect, they have limitations, things they are good at and bad at. That is why the best most successful coaches fit the system to the strengths of the players they actually have, rather than decide on a system and then wedge the players into it even if they are not suited to it.

Do you have a fucking problem with that

[DB10GOONER]

He isnt good enough but if you were to line up all the players not good enough for Arsenal in order of shiteness he wouldnt be at the front of the queue

He's probably not helped by having someone in front of him playing left-midfield who actually DOESN'T want to be playing left-midfield,and that stems back to Wenger.

It's a good point tbh. Also, I know it's easy to blame nearly every woe on Wenger, but I'd imagine Gibbs is probably not actually coached as a fullback but rather just told to keep passing it tippy tappy. Someone (Keown maybe?) said the other day all Wenger does in training is conditioning work and tight little passing sessions. It's basic stuff but a FB needs a different set of skills than a central midfielder and needs to be coached in what his responsibilities are and how they fit into the system.

Wether Arsene likes it or not, footballers aren't perfect, they have limitations, things they are good at and bad at. That is why the best most successful coaches fit the system to the strengths of the players they actually have, rather than decide on a system and then wedge the players into it even if they are not suited to it.

Do you have a fucking problem with that

Well, I did the other day when someone claimed Wenger had started WWI. Ridiculous, I thought. But then I did a bit of research...

[skizz_b]

Gibbs' positioning is awful most of the time, yet another defender who can't defend on our books. Great attacker though given he can't really cross too well and barely ever scores

Maybe I'm seeing the worst in people but I don't see why he is rated so highly, a decent player at best. And no, "he's better than Baines and Shaw" doesn't make him brilliant.

[officepest]

He isnt good enough but if you were to line up all the players not good enough for Arsenal in order of shiteness he wouldnt be at the front of the queue

He's probably not helped by having someone in front of him playing left-midfield who actually DOESN'T want to be playing left-midfield,and that stems back to Wenger.

It's a good point tbh. Also, I know it's easy to blame nearly every woe on Wenger, but I'd imagine Gibbs is probably not actually coached as a fullback but rather just told to keep passing it tippy tappy. Someone (Keown maybe?) said the other day all Wenger does in training is conditioning work and tight little passing sessions. It's basic stuff but a FB needs a different set of skills than a central midfielder and needs to be coached in what his responsibilities are and how they fit into the system.

Wether Arsene likes it or not, footballers aren't perfect, they have limitations, things they are good at and bad at. That is why the best most successful coaches fit the system to the strengths of the players they actually have, rather than decide on a system and then wedge the players into it even if they are not suited to it.

Do you have a fucking problem with that

Well, I did the other day when someone claimed Wenger had started WWI. Ridiculous, I thought. But then I did a bit of research...

Well he is from Alsace so was probably agitating tensions between Germany and France over territorial claims. Wenger then mobilised (1 million under 19s from Ligue Deux) and the dominos fell.

He also invaded Poland in '39 and authored the infamous Iraq 'dodgy dossier'.

What a war-mongering bastard.

[Robin_L]

He's definitely good enough, just not in the team enough.

[Nos89]

Can't believe the argument he doesn't score enough for a left back is genuine?

Winterburn scored about 12 goals in 12 years, admittedly they were scorchers, Cole was hardly prolific. There is not a better left back in the country English or not. If he left it would be for a club chelski, man city, man utd or Liverpool do we really want to lose him to them? I certainly do not.

[officepest]

Can't believe the argument he doesn't score enough for a left back is genuine?

Winterburn scored about 12 goals in 12 years, admittedly they were scorchers, Cole was hardly prolific. There is not a better left back in the country English or not. If he left it would be for a club chelski, man city, man utd or Liverpool do we really want to lose him to them? I certainly do not.

He wouldn't get a look in at City; Kolarov and Clichy already occupy his position. Utd blew a king's ransom on shaw and I don't think he'd interest Maureen too much either.

He'd be first-choice at Liverpool - I'll give you that - but best left back in the league? Not for me.

[SteveO 35]

How many goals has £30m wonderkid Luke Shaw scored so far. How many goals did Ashley Cole score in 100 games for England

Gibbs scored a cracker in Belgium. Yes, he's not as prolific as Baines but there are plenty of other full backs who don't score many either. I think he's one of the brighter sparks in this current team and if he played in a system that worked with proper defenders and leaders alongside him I think we'd be talking about him differently

[clockender1]

Can't believe the argument he doesn't score enough for a left back is genuine?

i think most people are talking about crosses pal. which to be fair, Sagna couldn't cross for shit either.

chambers and debuchy are definitely a step up on Bac in that regard and on Gibbo too- but as steveO points out, we don't really know the potential of many of our players until they are coached. chambers and debuchy have obviously benefited from working with coaches - as did Sol Campbell before he joined us.

Jenko for an example is bossing it at West Ham - and getting lauded for his crossing and directness

[Arsenal Till I Die]

Can't believe the argument he doesn't score enough for a left back is genuine?

i think most people are talking about crosses pal. which to be fair, Sagna couldn't cross for shit either.

chambers and debuchy are definitely a step up on Bac in that regard and on Gibbo too- but as steveO points out, we don't really know the potential of many of our players until they are coached. chambers and debuchy have obviously benefited from working with coaches - as did Sol Campbell before he joined us.

Jenko for an example is bossing it at West Ham - and getting lauded for his crossing and directness

So by rights, we should loan out all our new signings to mid table EPL clubs so that they get coached better and come back with it fresh in their minds?

I'm all for that

Best chance of getting coached properly during a career at Arsenal.

[northbank123]

Nos I agree that the obsession with full-backs being great attackers is too much, bread and butter is defending. But there are a few reasons why Gibbs' attacking ability is relevant to this thread.

1. The game has moved on in the last two decades and you have to accept that full-backs do have more of an attacking role than in Winterburn's day. They don't need to grab 10+ goals a season but being able to chuck in a good cross and cause genuine problems getting forward is a minimum for a really good full-back.

2. Winterburn was a considerably better defender in my book, even allowing for the farcical disorganisation Gibbs plays amongst.

3. We are comparing Gibbs with other left-backs with similar defensive abilities and debating who is better, it's an obvious separator.

4. Some people labour under the impression that Gibbs is very useful going forward.

[arseofacrow]

Can't believe the argument he doesn't score enough for a left back is genuine?

Winterburn scored about 12 goals in 12 years, admittedly they were scorchers, Cole was hardly prolific. There is not a better left back in the country English or not. If he left it would be for a club chelski, man city, man utd or Liverpool do we really want to lose him to them? I certainly do not.

Perhaps the scoring arguement arises because he's not in Winterburn or Cole's league and therefore him getting forward so much (and more than the aformentioned two) should afford him the opportunity to create more than he does.

Blind loyalty is killing us at the moment.