D-Day for Flamini

goonarmy · Post by **goonarmy** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:35 pm

even if it is the norm now a days doesn't mean we have to accept it though

Post by **T.S** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:37 pm

Well there's nothing we can do about it, is there? I'm afraid we do have to accept it...

goonarmy · Post by **goonarmy** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:40 pm

ok tolerate it or like it if you wanna be pedantic about it

Post by **T.S** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:43 pm

I don't like it, and I don't think I am being pedantic. Didn't mean to offend, but I really do think that Flamini should be thanked for his service, rather than slated for leaving.

Post by **g88ner** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:45 pm

goonarmy wrote:ok flamini songs are a bit much but i still think he'll be leaving for money which i find disgraceful

money....and a chance to play for one of the giants of world football!

To play for AC Milan is a dream for most players...I will not begrudge Flamini that, as he has been nothing but professional for us.

He's done nothing wrong. he's seeing out his contract, and now he's a free agent. Fair enough really.

Shame though...he's been great for us this season.

Red Gunner · Post by **Red Gunner** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:48 pm

gus ceasar is a legend wrote:It is more than Â£5k a week the difference between Arsenal and Milan's packages offered.

Arsenal it is reported have offered Â£55k a week, Milan Â£60k a week!

The difference is the Italian's always base their salaries on the after tax deduction figure!

So take 40% off Arsenal's offer and it looks paltry in comparison!

So the British government by proxy is at fault

26may1989 · Post by **26may1989** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:41 pm

Flamini's done nothing wrong, a move away from Arsenal may not be the best move for him football-wise, but he's using his rights fairly and legitimately. Arsenal knew the position and took calculated risks, which, due largely to the stunningly stupid Diarra and Flamini's excellent performances this season, have failed.

Cole and his agent, Matthew Barnett, on the other hand breached various obligations, showing no respect for Cole's contract with Arsenal or the rules of football. For that, both (along with Mourinho and Chelsea) were punished.

Personally, I was more pissed off by Edu's departure than the possible loss of Flamini. True, Edu just left on a Bosman, but compared with Flamini's loyal, unfussy service over a period of years, Edu denied us the benefit of one year by having a forged passport, then turned up injured, then started playing at a very mediocre level (including scoring an own goal on his debut) and finally put in a decent season (though not as good as Flamini's this year), only to think he'd arrived and left for Valencia. Edu definitely owed us some loyalty, though his disappearance from view is at least satisfying.

I hope Flamini stays, I think he should, but if he goes, good luck to him.

augie · Post by **augie** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:49 pm

SPUDMASHER wrote:That's a bit harsh Augie, given that we don't know for sure it is about money. It could be about guaranteed starting place or length of contract etc. If it is purely money then I have no problem with him trying to get the best deal for himself. His career could be over with one tackle so why shouldn't he maximise his income whilst he can?
If it is purely money then at least he hasn't gone public or almost swerved off the road in dis-belief at the offer. I blame the club for not breaking their very tight wage structure to keep a key player.
If he goes I'll be disappointed that he didn't choose to stay but I shall wish him no ill will.

I feel I need to quantify my earlier remarks to spuddy and donaldo re flamini's likely exit. This isnt the 1st time flamini has walked away from a club as he came to us on the cheap from marseille by exercising a legal loophole. He knows the contract law better than any other player I've ever heard of and that is a fact that is accepted by many on this forum. If he left us last summer would it have been via a regular transfer or would he have bought out his contract on the cheap ? We all know it would have been the latter and the club would have lost out then (as they are now) if there had of been any interest. It goes without saying that if he'd bought out his contract then he would have had little interest in the financial hit the club would have taken showing again that flamini is all about flamini.

Now onto my 2nd point which I stated that I did not care if he never got a game for his new club. I would like to know if fans honestly think flamini would be a regular for a club like milan ? I personally dont and I think that some fans are blinkered because he has had 1 outstanding season as a midfielder for us

Ask yourselves how many of you would have seen milan chasing him this time last year and I'd be amazed if anybody said that they could. Therefore if he goes to milan as a squad player would you not agree that it is a money decision that is taking him there ? As a player yet to really establish himself in top football where is the sense in going to a club that wont be playing you regularly

If he goes to bayern and plays in an average league would you believe that to be a money based decision

So many on here lambasted ribery for making a similar decision last season albeit that they hadnt qualified for this seasons champs league then.

Anyway I honestly wish flamini no harm or bear him no grudges but likewise I wont wish him any more of a goodbye than I would senderos. I dont blame him for this situation as yet again it is 100% the fault of the board who need a kick in the bollox in the worst of the way. However I really believe that if this decision wasnt about money then he would stay with us for a few more years where he would be playing regularly and improving all the while to the stage where he would become a regular in the french team.

Post by **QuartzGooner** » Thu May 01, 2008 12:02 am

26may1989 wrote:
Personally, I was more pissed off by Edu's departure than the possible loss of Flamini. True, Edu just left on a Bosman, but compared with Flamini's loyal, unfussy service over a period of years, Edu denied us the benefit of one year by having a forged passport, then turned up injured, then started playing at a very mediocre level (including scoring an own goal on his debut) and finally put in a decent season (though not as good as Flamini's this year), only to think he'd arrived and left for Valencia. Edu definitely owed us some loyalty, though his disappearance from view is at least satisfying.

That is very harsh on Edu.

The passport was interestin gto say the least but it got sorted.

Then his sister died in a car crash and he had a broken le.

He was a class player who

WAS LET GO BY THE CLUB!!!!!!!!

He cried at the end when he was leaving

the club was economising and letting go players with big wages so we couldmove stadium

Vieira was simialr story, so was Sol

he did not leave of own accord

Magic Hat · Post by **Magic Hat** » Thu May 01, 2008 7:35 am

Augie, think saying he played well for a whole season is a bit kind, he has been a part of our collapse.

Do I begrude him moving? No, he is a going to a big club and he has ever right to do that given his contract was running out. Do I think it is a blow? Only due to no transfer fee's and loss of a player who could play fullback and all across the midfield.

BT · Post by BT » Thu May 01, 2008 8:18 am

If he's set to play on Sunday, I doubt anything will be announced before then.

26may1989 · Post by **26may1989** » Thu May 01, 2008 9:24 am

QuartzGooner wrote:
26may1989 wrote:
Personally, I was more pissed off by Edu's departure than the possible loss of Flamini. True, Edu just left on a Bosman, but compared with Flamini's loyal, unfussy service over a period of years, Edu denied us the benefit of one year by having a forged passport, then turned up injured, then started playing at a very mediocre level (including scoring an own goal on his debut) and finally put in a decent season (though not as good as Flamini's this year), only to think he'd arrived and left for Valencia. Edu definitely owed us some loyalty, though his disappearance from view is at least satisfying.

That is very harsh on Edu.

The passport was interestin gto say the least but it got sorted.

Then his sister died in a car crash and he had a broken le.

He was a class player who

WAS LET GO BY THE CLUB!!!!!!!!

He cried at the end when he was leaving

the club was economising and letting go players with big wages so we couldmove stadium

Vieira was simialr story, so was Sol

he did not leave of own accord

Not the way I remember it: he had his one good season in (I think) 2003-4, but started to come under pressure from Cesc for a place the following season. There were regular rumours that season about him moving to Spain or Italy, and with the club unable to get him to sign a new contract, Arsenal tried to negotiate to sell him to Valencia in the January transfer window but Valencia couldn't/wouldn't pay the fee Arsenal wanted, so no deal. But Valencia clearly felt Edu wanted to come to them and so both Edu and Valencia just waited to the summer and Edu signed on a Bosman.

The losers in the story: Arsenal. Of course (as with Flamini), Arsenal knew the situation that was facing them in the summer of 2004, but it seems pretty clear to me that Edu played the situation for his own benefit, knowing he would get the best deal by running his contract down. The difference for me with the Flamini situation is what happened before: Edu owed Arsenal for everything he did and didn't do, whereas Flamini has done everything asked of him.

I know I'm in a minority re Edu, and the players all said good things about him, but I thought he took the piss in a big way. And as for tears, you don't really put any store by that do you??

Swale_Gooner1985 · Post by **Swale_Gooner1985** » Thu May 01, 2008 11:21 am

Personally i think he will go, i really hope not though!

He is a top midfielder, but Wenger will just go out and sign a replacement weve never heard of that turns out to be brilliant so lets not worry about it eh?!

Why does he want to go to Italy for a few extra quid, that will be bloody boring!

Red Gunner · Post by **Red Gunner** » Thu May 01, 2008 3:31 pm

I know this is probably not true but still a little update:

http://goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=679312

dvbrisgooner1 · Post by **dvbrisgooner1** » Thu May 01, 2008 3:32 pm

I'm very much with Augie here. Arsenal has made him and, after one good season, he is chasing the money. If he goes, I hope he falls flat on his face.