Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[Nick Nack]

We can waste as many posts and column inches on discussions about a new manager but in all logic ,Arteta is not leaving until he decides to go. The board ( Josh ) has bought into his project and nothing will change at the top until it's run it's course.

Has Diet Pep "earned the right to decide when he leaves "

[DB10GOONER]

Allegri may have had success with Juventus when the rest of the league was gash. But in the past three years Juventus league goal tally in the league is 57,56 and currently 49 goals after 36 games.

For the past three years Juventus cant buy a fucking goal. Where as Arteta is breaking goal scoring records for us. Last year was our highest goal scoring season the league with 88, we have broken that record this year scoring 89 with another game to go.

If we hired Allegri, its almost a certainly the amount of goals we score will fall off a cliff. If your going to wet yourself because of trophies he previously won, then lets bring back Wenger, as Wenger has won three PL titles including going unbeaten. Who gives a cunting fuck what a manager did previously, it means nothing if there is clear evidence they have lost thier touch (like was the case with enger). All I now is Allegri has lost his touch and cant buy a goal. Biggest club in Italy and thier goal scoring record is TOny Pulis under Stoke over a three year period.

Allegri in for Arteta. LOL. Some posters are lemmings

Its funny cos allegri has won a trophy since the cone boy did

Quality.

[DB10GOONER]

I still don't think Arteta is the right man to take us to the title but I hope he has a blinder in the transfer market this summer and wish him all the best for next season. I'd love to see him lead us to a title. I'd love to see most of this group of players win the title.

But Arteta has to deliver at least an FA Cup next season.

[madjens]

He’d be a league winning manager now if it weren’t for 115FC. The best we’ve had in 20 years.

[nut flush gooner]

Allegri may have had success with Juventus when the rest of the league was gash. But in the past three years Juventus league goal tally in the league is 57,56 and currently 49 goals after 36 games.

For the past three years Juventus cant buy a fucking goal. Where as Arteta is breaking goal scoring records for us. Last year was our highest goal scoring season the league with 88, we have broken that record this year scoring 89 with another game to go.

If we hired Allegri, its almost a certainly the amount of goals we score will fall off a cliff. If your going to wet yourself because of trophies he previously won, then lets bring back Wenger, as Wenger has won three PL titles including going unbeaten. Who gives a cunting fuck what a manager did previously, it means nothing if there is clear evidence they have lost thier touch (like was the case with enger). All I now is Allegri has lost his touch and cant buy a goal. Biggest club in Italy and thier goal scoring record is TOny Pulis under Stoke over a three year period.

Allegri in for Arteta. LOL. Some posters are lemmings

Its funny cos allegri has won a trophy since the cone boy did

So you twerk about the equivalent of an FA Cup and Community Shield. Have some shame Augie, I am calling you out as an embarrassment to our fanbase, we don't need fans like you. The utter disrespect you have to call Arteta "Peps Coneboy"

Why don't you go and support another club if Arsenal makes you that unhappy? I am sure Shelbourne who are top of the league in Ireland have plenty of room for you on their terraces.

[DB10GOONER]

Allegri may have had success with Juventus when the rest of the league was gash. But in the past three years Juventus league goal tally in the league is 57,56 and currently 49 goals after 36 games.

For the past three years Juventus cant buy a fucking goal. Where as Arteta is breaking goal scoring records for us. Last year was our highest goal scoring season the league with 88, we have broken that record this year scoring 89 with another game to go.

If we hired Allegri, its almost a certainly the amount of goals we score will fall off a cliff. If your going to wet yourself because of trophies he previously won, then lets bring back Wenger, as Wenger has won three PL titles including going unbeaten. Who gives a cunting fuck what a manager did previously, it means nothing if there is clear evidence they have lost thier touch (like was the case with enger). All I now is Allegri has lost his touch and cant buy a goal. Biggest club in Italy and thier goal scoring record is TOny Pulis under Stoke over a three year period.

Allegri in for Arteta. LOL. Some posters are lemmings

Its funny cos allegri has won a trophy since the cone boy did

So you twerk about the equivalent of an FA Cup and Community Shield. Have some shame Augie, I am calling you out as an embarrassment to our fanbase, we don't need fans like you. The utter disrespect you have to call Arteta "Peps Coneboy"

Why don't you go and support another club if Arsenal makes you that unhappy? I am sure Shelbourne who are top of the league in Ireland have plenty of room for you on their terraces.

Ffs Nutty that's poor mate. That's the kind of stuff the Wenger cultists were throwing around at anyone that disagreed with them. You're better than that mate.

[the playing mantis]

Allegri is available.

67 points from 36 games. Goals scored 49. Where Max, where are the other 40 goals? Because were on 89 goals with Arteta

WELL WHERE ARE THEY THEN!!!!

FUCK OFF ALLEGRI before anyone says it

Are you mentally ill?!

[the playing mantis]

Allegri may have had success with Juventus when the rest of the league was gash. But in the past three years Juventus league goal tally in the league is 57,56 and currently 49 goals after 36 games.

For the past three years Juventus cant buy a fucking goal. Where as Arteta is breaking goal scoring records for us. Last year was our highest goal scoring season the league with 88, we have broken that record this year scoring 89 with another game to go.

If we hired Allegri, its almost a certainly the amount of goals we score will fall off a cliff. If your going to wet yourself because of trophies he previously won, then lets bring back Wenger, as Wenger has won three PL titles including going unbeaten. Who gives a cunting fuck what a manager did previously, it means nothing if there is clear evidence they have lost thier touch (like was the case with enger). All I now is Allegri has lost his touch and cant buy a goal. Biggest club in Italy and thier goal scoring record is TOny Pulis under Stoke over a three year period.

Allegri in for Arteta. LOL. Some posters are lemmings

Possibly I suppose, but then again, some posters are absolutely fucking bonkers.

Where did the Allegri rant come from? Completely out of left field, because no one had been talking about Allegri, unless I missed something.

Anyway, De Zerbi is now available.

The goon mentioned posters going on about inzaghi a few posts ago. I can see loads non this thread advocating him...
I actually think wilson is tom hanks on that island and has lost the plot with the ball he talks to. Which one Wilson is who knows. He aint the ticket though.

[SteveO 35]

We got the same points total as City's treble winning season last year and 1 point behind the Invincibles. The football was a joy to watch for most of the season and we've got some really talented young players and now developing more steel to our play. Now isn't the time for change. Everyone knows I've not been Arteta's greatest fan from the offset but it's time to cut the guy some slack now. We're closer to being title winners than at any point in the past 20 years and playing some amazing stuff.

We all need a break after a long season

Have a good Summer chaps !

[Retro Gunner]

Allegri may have had success with Juventus when the rest of the league was gash. But in the past three years Juventus league goal tally in the league is 57,56 and currently 49 goals after 36 games.

For the past three years Juventus cant buy a fucking goal. Where as Arteta is breaking goal scoring records for us. Last year was our highest goal scoring season the league with 88, we have broken that record this year scoring 89 with another game to go.

If we hired Allegri, its almost a certainly the amount of goals we score will fall off a cliff. If your going to wet yourself because of trophies he previously won, then lets bring back Wenger, as Wenger has won three PL titles including going unbeaten. Who gives a cunting fuck what a manager did previously, it means nothing if there is clear evidence they have lost thier touch (like was the case with enger). All I now is Allegri has lost his touch and cant buy a goal. Biggest club in Italy and thier goal scoring record is TOny Pulis under Stoke over a three year period.

Allegri in for Arteta. LOL. Some posters are lemmings

Possibly I suppose, but then again, some posters are absolutely fucking bonkers.

Where did the Allegri rant come from? Completely out of left field, because no one had been talking about Allegri, unless I missed something.

Anyway, De Zerbi is now available.

The goon mentioned posters going on about inzaghi a few posts ago. I can see loads non this thread advocating him...
I actually think wilson is tom hanks on that island and has lost the plot with the ball he talks to. Which one Wilson is who knows. He aint the ticket though.

You do remember that the ball was actually called Wilson, don’t you? If not, that’s one hell of a coincidence that you used the Hanks comparison.

That was a very peculiar rant from our Wilson.

[Retro Gunner]

Allegri may have had success with Juventus when the rest of the league was gash. But in the past three years Juventus league goal tally in the league is 57,56 and currently 49 goals after 36 games.

For the past three years Juventus cant buy a fucking goal. Where as Arteta is breaking goal scoring records for us. Last year was our highest goal scoring season the league with 88, we have broken that record this year scoring 89 with another game to go.

If we hired Allegri, its almost a certainly the amount of goals we score will fall off a cliff. If your going to wet yourself because of trophies he previously won, then lets bring back Wenger, as Wenger has won three PL titles including going unbeaten. Who gives a cunting fuck what a manager did previously, it means nothing if there is clear evidence they have lost thier touch (like was the case with enger). All I now is Allegri has lost his touch and cant buy a goal. Biggest club in Italy and thier goal scoring record is TOny Pulis under Stoke over a three year period.

Allegri in for Arteta. LOL. Some posters are lemmings

Its funny cos allegri has won a trophy since the cone boy did

So you twerk about the equivalent of an FA Cup and Community Shield. Have some shame Augie, I am calling you out as an embarrassment to our fanbase, we don't need fans like you. The utter disrespect you have to call Arteta "Peps Coneboy"

Why don't you go and support another club if Arsenal makes you that unhappy? I am sure Shelbourne who are top of the league in Ireland have plenty of room for you on their terraces.

Actually, we absolutely need supporters like augie. If we’d had a whole lot more like him, rather than the nodding dog, yes men type, then Wenger wouldn’t have hung around taking us backwards for 10+ years.

You’ve criticised augie using the term “Pep’s Cone Boy” on a number of occasions and I really can’t understand why it exercises you so much. I don’t know how old you are, but you behave as though Arteta is your love child. Bottom line, you think he’s doing a great job and augie doesn’t rate him. That’s fine, they’re personal opinions and augie has made it clear that he puts the club ahead of any manager or player, so if he doubts an individuals ability, he’s entitled to express it.

Personally, I’ve expressed many doubts about Arteta and still harbour some, but I’ll absolutely congratulate him for this season and the club is in a better place than it was 4 years ago imo. However, it’s entitled to be when he’s been given time and 700 million…much of which has not been well spent.

This summer will have a big influence on my opinion of the manager. We need a top striker and top centre mid. In my opinion they’re vital and other additions are a bonus. If he doesn’t do that, then I won’t hold back if it turns around to bite him. We’re on the verge of being serious contenders at the top table and Arteta deserves praise for getting us there, but the crucial step is the summer months and who he buys and gets shot of.

[wilson2.0]

89 points with a goal differential of 62.

You can be frustrated two seasons in a row a title challenge has had us finish 2nd, I sure am. But people need to stop talking about Arteta like he is a donkey. We were dogshit when he took over, for a long time even the thought of winning the title would have been a pipe dream. He has made Arsenal fans think of the title again. Some say we need a manager who 'can get us over the line', yeah no shit, you may as well say 'I want a lottery ticket with the winning numbers'.

I think the reality of Arsenal in a world which Arteta was sacked for an 'experienced' manager, would be very different to how some think it would go. Hansi Flick gets us 90 points? does he? You sure about that? Then there are the comical suggestions De Zerbi, Allegri, Conte.

There is a 1% part of me that wants Arteta to leave, just so the lesson could be learnt from those who think they knows what's going on

[augie]

Allegri may have had success with Juventus when the rest of the league was gash. But in the past three years Juventus league goal tally in the league is 57,56 and currently 49 goals after 36 games.

For the past three years Juventus cant buy a fucking goal. Where as Arteta is breaking goal scoring records for us. Last year was our highest goal scoring season the league with 88, we have broken that record this year scoring 89 with another game to go.

If we hired Allegri, its almost a certainly the amount of goals we score will fall off a cliff. If your going to wet yourself because of trophies he previously won, then lets bring back Wenger, as Wenger has won three PL titles including going unbeaten. Who gives a cunting fuck what a manager did previously, it means nothing if there is clear evidence they have lost thier touch (like was the case with enger). All I now is Allegri has lost his touch and cant buy a goal. Biggest club in Italy and thier goal scoring record is TOny Pulis under Stoke over a three year period.

Allegri in for Arteta. LOL. Some posters are lemmings

Its funny cos allegri has won a trophy since the cone boy did

So you twerk about the equivalent of an FA Cup and Community Shield. Have some shame Augie, I am calling you out as an embarrassment to our fanbase, we don't need fans like you. The utter disrespect you have to call Arteta "Peps Coneboy"

Why don't you go and support another club if Arsenal makes you that unhappy? I am sure Shelbourne who are top of the league in Ireland have plenty of room for you on their terraces.

Chill buddy - I have dropped the pep's cone boy moniker and have promoted him now to just "the cone boy"

For the record I have never disrespected the fa cup and have been very critical of our performance in it in recent seasons - the point I was making was that the wilson gobshite was dismissing allegri by talking about trophies won in history as irrelvent, whilst at the same time talking up a guy who has only won 1 trophy and he got rid of most of that team If the cone boy had never won that fa cup would he still be receiving the backing he is from club and fans ? How is his historic achievements important and allegri's meaningless ? The fact that I pointed out that allegri has won a cup two weeks ago was the icing on the cake, but that wilson guy is off his rocker and is spouting nonsense about managers like flick who nobody is even suggesting

[Sean]

Oh well. It was a pleasant surprise that we challenged for the title for the second year in a row. This time we took it down to the last day, though Citeh's game in hand was always going to put them ahead. Our defeats to Villa, West Ham and Fulham were costly. Many here expected us to crash and burn this season, after our bottling it last season; including myself.

To challenge the cheating oil money cúnts - with their 115 charges - all the way into May (and taking four points off them) is an impressive feat in itself, given how corrupt the situation is. One now has to win about 80% of their games to have a good chance of the title. Dropping any points is very damaging; losing to non-title rivals and draws are no longer 'enough'. Winning really is everything. Especially with a doped club being allowed to take the piss out of the league for the last six out of seven seasons.

Despite their probably costing us the title, I was somewhat glad to see Dick doing so well at the Villa. It really is a shame that someone of his European pedigree did not work out at the Arsenal. It would have spared us from Arteta and the TOF Part II connotations. It would be nice if Dick had a chance to put things right in the future. If not, then Sean Dyche maybe? Eddie Howe? The late Joe Kinnear? Fat Sam? Owen Coyle? Tony Penis? Will no one rid us of this turbulent manager?! Eh, he's not going anywhere and he's still the apprentice to Pep.

It was nice that we did okay in our return to The Be All and End All, topping the group and beating Porto. Of course we lost to Bayern again, but not by an eight goal margin for once! We'll get another shot next season to be the perennial bridesmaid. Sadly, it is tough to believe that we could win the CL without a GG-style defence.

Also, I hope that this new 'league phase' format, where we need to finish in the top eight to bypass the knock-out playoff round and go straight into the round of 16 - and having to play two similarly seeded teams and two better seeded teams, with our dodgy co-efficient putting us about mid-table in any draw of opponents - will not make it completely impossible for us to win it someday and finally fill that giant gap in our honours.

Unlike last season, I didn't watch the run in. I listened to the Everton game on the radio and Citeh's early goals put to bed any remote hopes. I still follow the results of course, but the last several years of misery - with TOF surviving our protests, Dick sadly not working out for us and Arteta's rough start and his general unlikability as our manager - took their toll and after last season's disappointing collapse I could not suffer the worry and disappointment of watching us come so damned close and missing out again. I've seen enough title screw-ups in the 2010s with muh 'mental stwength' to not let myself hope or believe that we can actually win a title. Add in Citeh's pimped dominance over the league and it is better to watch paint dry instead. Even still, there's a disconnect between me and the club that makes it tough to even enjoy the positives. Though it was very sweet that we beat the scum! Still, like a few Gooners said in the match thread, with Citeh's corruption it all seems rather pointless to get invested in these rigged football competitions.

Though at least the Arsenal have gone from slipping out of the VT and Europa places to now appearing to have become best of the rest under the unlikable Legohead and we now have the biggest stake in seeing the oil money be negated. Listening to The Old Fraud complain about it back when we were typically a distant 3rd or 4th, or recovering from an awful league start, was embarrassing. Naturally, money talks and will beat anything. Principles? Honour? Rules? Pfft.

Now 20 years since we won the league with the Invincibles. Over the last several years, it feels like that magnificent achievement has also cursed us to never winning the league again. Other than the odd (sadly devalued) FA Cup between 2014-20, it feels like nothing will come close to 1987-94, or 1998-2004.

Though my not watching matches makes it pointless for me to be active here (and I didn't even do a mid-season review this time), I know my name still comes up in conversation, as it did last month and last autumn; so I'm glad I still made some contribution or effect even in my absence. Shout out to my board pals. I am glad this forum is still going. Here's hoping that we somehow do even better next season. UTA!

[Arsenal Till I Die]

Oh well. It was a pleasant surprise that we challenged for the title for the second year in a row. This time we took it down to the last day, though Citeh's game in hand was always going to put them ahead. Our defeats to Villa, West Ham and Fulham were costly. Many here expected us to crash and burn this season, after our bottling it last season; including myself.

To challenge the cheating oil money cúnts - with their 115 charges - all the way into May (and taking four points off them) is an impressive feat in itself, given how corrupt the situation is. One now has to win about 80% of their games to have a good chance of the title. Dropping any points is very damaging; losing to non-title rivals and draws are no longer 'enough'. Winning really is everything. Especially with a doped club being allowed to take the piss out of the league for the last six out of seven seasons.

Despite their probably costing us the title, I was somewhat glad to see Dick doing so well at the Villa. It really is a shame that someone of his European pedigree did not work out at the Arsenal. It would have spared us from Arteta and the TOF Part II connotations. It would be nice if Dick had a chance to put things right in the future. If not, then Sean Dyche maybe? Eddie Howe? The late Joe Kinnear? Fat Sam? Owen Coyle? Tony Penis? Will no one rid us of this turbulent manager?! Eh, he's not going anywhere and he's still the apprentice to Pep.

It was nice that we did okay in our return to The Be All and End All, topping the group and beating Porto. Of course we lost to Bayern again, but not by an eight goal margin for once! We'll get another shot next season to be the perennial bridesmaid. Sadly, it is tough to believe that we could win the CL without a GG-style defence.

Also, I hope that this new 'league phase' format, where we need to finish in the top eight to bypass the knock-out playoff round and go straight into the round of 16 - and having to play two similarly seeded teams and two better seeded teams, with our dodgy co-efficient putting us about mid-table in any draw of opponents - will not make it completely impossible for us to win it someday and finally fill that giant gap in our honours.

Unlike last season, I didn't watch the run in. I listened to the Everton game on the radio and Citeh's early goals put to bed any remote hopes. I still follow the results of course, but the last several years of misery - with TOF surviving our protests, Dick sadly not working out for us and Arteta's rough start and his general unlikability as our manager - took their toll and after last season's disappointing collapse I could not suffer the worry and disappointment of watching us come so damned close and missing out again. I've seen enough title screw-ups in the 2010s with muh 'mental stwength' to not let myself hope or believe that we can actually win a title. Add in Citeh's pimped dominance over the league and it is better to watch paint dry instead. Even still, there's a disconnect between me and the club that makes it tough to even enjoy the positives. Though it was very sweet that we beat the scum! Still, like a few Gooners said in the match thread, with Citeh's corruption it all seems rather pointless to get invested in these rigged football competitions.

Though at least the Arsenal have gone from slipping out of the VT and Europa places to now appearing to have become best of the rest under the unlikable Legohead and we now have the biggest stake in seeing the oil money be negated. Listening to The Old Fraud complain about it back when we were typically a distant 3rd or 4th, or recovering from an awful league start, was embarrassing. Naturally, money talks and will beat anything. Principles? Honour? Rules? Pfft.

Now 20 years since we won the league with the Invincibles. Over the last several years, it feels like that magnificent achievement has also cursed us to never winning the league again. Other than the odd (sadly devalued) FA Cup between 2014-20, it feels like nothing will come close to 1987-94, or 1998-2004.

Though my not watching matches makes it pointless for me to be active here (and I didn't even do a mid-season review this time), I know my name still comes up in conversation, as it did last month and last autumn; so I'm glad I still made some contribution or effect even in my absence. Shout out to my board pals. I am glad this forum is still going. Here's hoping that we somehow do even better next season. UTA!

Wilson's going to have a coronary when he reads the highlighted bit.

Great, sensible, post Sean. I cannot disagree with a word of it.

Don't feel alone in your drifting away, either. I tend to find myself drifting from caring, more often than not, these days. I spent most of the game yesterday telling my self that I don't see how I can sit through another year of the same old thing, when City are going to 'win' it again. There's no joy in watching Premier League football anymore. Couple that with the Swiss-army knife of bullshit we've had to endure since 2008-onwards, it's all so taxing.

Don't let not watching games stop you from posting on here, mate; reading some of the posts on here, I'm convinced quite a few members don't either.