As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
That video is about as grainy as the home made skin flick me and Mrs 5 starred in a few years back.
Or it's my retro pc.
Either way I can make out an Arsenal player in the vicinity of the throw (Van Persie?) who to my shite eyes actually heads the ball.
Again I'm nit picking here but Tasha you have gone from
tasha7 wrote:Clichy threw it straight to one of their players who hoofed it forward first time
to
tasha7 wrote:and you'll see the 1st Liverpool player wins the header straight from the throw-in, the 2nd one hoofs the knockdown first time
Finally by saying this, and I'll emphasise the key word, you kinda validate my point.
tasha7 wrote:Djourou is advancing towards play when it happens, while Keane is stationary so is able to sprint towards our goal as soon as the ball is launched forward while Djourou has to turn and recover.
The ball was in the air for a good five seconds. If Djourou was 100% focused he would have had ample time to get into the correct defensive position but he ambled back losing track of the bounce and that's ultimately what killed him. A mistake. One that doesn't get punshed every time and but for a devestating finish he would probably have got away with.
tasha7 wrote:Pass the spliff please, I'll have some of what you're smoking.
I'm the forums pisshead, please see IHH if you want to smoke the reefer.
Forgive me for saying so, Number 5, but I really do think you are nitpicking. The point is that directly from our throw-in, nobody in an Arsenal shirt touches the ball (the Liverpool player wins the header) and it's not unreasonable that the defenders are not set up for that.
You did watch the wide angle replay? The length of time the ball is in the air is immaterial, once Keane has got the jump on the defenders (who are going in the wrong direction) there's no way he's getting back in time.
I don't understand why you're so adamant in trying to apportion blame here.
tasha7 wrote:Forgive me for saying so, Number 5, but I really do think you are nitpicking. The point is that directly from our throw-in, nobody in an Arsenal shirt touches the ball (the Liverpool player wins the header) and it's not unreasonable that the defenders are not set up for that.
You did watch the wide angle replay? The length of time the ball is in the air is immaterial, once Keane has got the jump on the defenders (who are going in the wrong direction) there's no way he's getting back in time.
I don't understand why you're so adamant in trying to apportion blame here.
Exsqueese me? Baking Powder?
I may be nit picking over small facts but to think it ok for defenders to not be switched on and focused for every minute of the game no matter where the ball is on the pitch, I find hilarious. By not being set up for every eventuality they are literally waiting for mistakes to happen. And they will. They do. All the time. I'm not necessarily trying to apportion blame, it's more that I am trying to get you to admit a mistake was made. Hey I don't hold it against the guy, shit happens. Much better players before and after Djourou have done and will do the same or worse.
tasha7 wrote:Forgive me for saying so, Number 5, but I really do think you are nitpicking. The point is that directly from our throw-in, nobody in an Arsenal shirt touches the ball (the Liverpool player wins the header) and it's not unreasonable that the defenders are not set up for that.
You did watch the wide angle replay? The length of time the ball is in the air is immaterial, once Keane has got the jump on the defenders (who are going in the wrong direction) there's no way he's getting back in time.
I don't understand why you're so adamant in trying to apportion blame here.
Oh, come on tasha... no defence should be caught out so easily by a 60 yard hoof up field!
Robbie Keane is hardly the quickest, yet he has time and space to run beyond our defence and score. And how was he able to do that???...
Well, they say the first 5 yards are in your head... so that might just explain why Keane got to that ball first, tasha!
Good strikers sniff out chances and have a knack of being in the right place at the right time... whereas great defenders anticipate and snuff out danger.
I may not like Keane, but he's a clever striker who's always thinking... and I'm not convinced Djourou is quite as mentally switched on, to be honest.
As Number 5 said, defenders should be switched on and fully focused for every minute, of every game... if not, then they clearly aren't taking their job seriously enough
The difference between a top quality PL CB and a Division One journeyman CB is often (not always, but often) down to that ability to stay sharp and focussed for 90 minutes. That is a skill in it's own right.
The CB's on my team all say the hardest game to play in is when we are pissing all over the oppo, the ball in the other half for the majority of the game, because it is so hard to stay focussed and not get caught on the break when you have little to do. They tend to make less unforced errors when we are being run ragged and they are under seige because their adrenalin is up and they are focussed for the duration.
DB10GOONER wrote:I honestly can't believe anyone can think Tweety and Senderos are "quality in depth" or good enough as long term options at PL level. Tweety is so far past his sell-by date he should have a health warning on his back instead of a number.
Senderos, while being an honest hard fighting CB, is just not good enough technically. He is too slow, is easily turned by a striker dropping off his shoulder and he is also too easily bullied into fatal mistakes (Dogbreath being the most obvious example) and believe me if I've learned one thing in watching football for nearly 40 years, and playing it for over 35 years, it's that if one powerful striker bullies a CB out of a game every other powerful striker will see it and do the same - they are like predators picking off the lame calf in the herd.
At best Senderos is a short term back up to cover minor knocks to first choice CB's while Tweety should have been shipped out in the summer.
A bit unfair there DB, Drogba is virtually unplayable for any ch (with Vidic being the possible premiership exception), he did the same to Kolo and Gallas, when they beat us 2-1 two seasons ago, and he torments the life out of Carragher and co. Agreed he is not a first choice ch, but I think he is as good a standby as most clubs have, the chavs themselves being the exception.
goonersid wrote:
A bit unfair there DB, Drogba is virtually unplayable for any ch (with Vidic being the possible premiership exception), he did the same to Kolo and Gallas, when they beat us 2-1 two seasons ago, and he torments the life out of Carragher and co. Agreed he is not a first choice ch, but I think he is as good a standby as most clubs have, the chavs themselves being the exception.
I agree with Sid on this
I don't like the guy (Drogba... not Sid ) but he's the best in the World in that role, and can give even the best centre backs a good raping.
He's just THAT good... and I think (and I said this over the summer) that a fit, focused Drogba will guide Chelsea to the title this season.
g88ner wrote:Oh, come on tasha... no defence should be caught out so easily by a 60 yard hoof up field!
Robbie Keane is hardly the quickest, yet he has time and space to run beyond our defence and score. And how was he able to do that???...
Well, they say the first 5 yards are in your head... so that might just explain why Keane got to that ball first, tasha!
Good strikers sniff out chances and have a knack of being in the right place at the right time... whereas great defenders anticipate and snuff out danger.
I may not like Keane, but he's a clever striker who's always thinking... and I'm not convinced Djourou is quite as mentally switched on, to be honest.
As Number 5 said, defenders should be switched on and fully focused for every minute, of every game... if not, then they clearly aren't taking their job seriously enough
I might have agreed with you if it had been their throw-in, but because it was Clichy who threw the ball to a Liverpool player, I think you're being ridiculously harsh on Djourou.
It's all very well to say that in theory every player needs to concentrate for every second of 94 minutes, but in the real world even the best centrebacks get caught out occasionally - especially in extenuating circumstances (Billy was equally culpable for Keane getting away from them). And anyway, I think the very fact that we seem to be disagreeing about just one moment in a 15 match run of games also tells us something about Djourou's concentration levels.
By the way, for the City away game that we all agree was a poor one defensively, Djourou had Sylvestre as his CB partner.
