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mrgnu1958 · Post by **mrgnu1958** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:20 pm

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Post by **g88ner** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:22 pm

I'd have no problem with Mourinho as manager, because I think he's outstanding.

But, he's the highest paid person in Italian football (and that includes players) earning Â£8m a year (apparently) so it would seem highly unlikely that he would become Arsenal manager unless there was a huge change at the club.

I thought Adebayors comments the other day were a little worrying...

â€œArsenal forced me out,â€

SteveO 35 · Post by **SteveO 35** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:24 pm

augie wrote:Personally I would still like to see rijkard as the next manager although I would be ok with hiddink or bilic too Fcuk it I am that pissed off with wenger and this board that I would accept usmanov owning the club and mourinho as manager right now

Accept it ? I'd do more than accept it - I'd rip your fucking arm off.

Lets see what we have now - a series of major shareholders in a lockdown agreement, sitting on their investments and dragging the club into the mire, a manager who has built a squad with a title winning wage bill attached (sadly without the title), and a new commercial team whose knowledge of football is about as extensive as my knowledge of flower arranging.

Or an owner who knows it is imperative to invest large sums of money in the squad and has enough personal wealth to do this during a recession and property slump, who would in turn appoint David Dein as MD/CEO, and a manager who has won trophy after trophy in the past 10 years in 3 different countries. Hmmmmmm........

hanny73 · Post by **hanny73** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:26 pm

[quote="g88ner"]I'd have no problem with Mourinho as manager, because I think he's outstanding.

But, he's the highest paid person in Italian football (and that includes players) earning Â£8m a year (apparently) so it would seem highly unlikely that he would become Arsenal manager unless there was a huge change at the club.

I thought Adebayors comments the other day were a little worrying...

â€œArsenal forced me out,â€

Percy Dalton · Post by **Percy Dalton** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:29 pm

Personally I think we have to set our sights a little lower with regards to our next manager.

As g88ner says, we are no longer as attractive as we were to players or managers alike and do I couldn't see Hiddink or Mourinho joining us anyhow. Also, the 50% tax soon to come in is going to go against us too.

So Hodgson has all the right credentials and is in the right price frame but I think age may go against him.

Maybe we need to look at an up and coming manager who would not want the earth in wages and my choice would be Van Basten.

hanny73 · Post by **hanny73** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:30 pm

mrgnu1958 wrote:Mourinho for me or Hiddink or Bilic once the world cup is over.
Even Martin Oneil

O'Neill? Really? You're joking right?

Bilic no club managers experience.

Hiddink didn't leave the Russia post to become Chelsea manager so why would he do so to become Arsenal manager.

Why would Mourinho leave his job as one of the, if not the highest paid club manager in the world?! Never going to happen.

Let's have some realistic suggestions, my bet is that there aren't going to be that many.

Percy Dalton · Post by **Percy Dalton** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:31 pm

SteveO 35 wrote:
augie wrote:Personally I would still like to see rijkard as the next manager although I would be ok with hiddink or bilic too Fcuk it I am that pissed off with wenger and this board that I would accept usmanov owning the club and mourinho as manager right now
Accept it ? I'd do more than accept it - I'd rip your fucking arm off.

Lets see what we have now - a series of major shareholders in a lockdown agreement, sitting on their investments and dragging the club into the mire, a manager who has built a squad with a title winning wage bill attached (sadly without the title), and a new commercial team whose knowledge of football is about as extensive as my knowledge of flower arranging.

Or an owner who knows it is imperative to invest large sums of money in the squad and has enough personal wealth to do this during a recession and property slump, who would in turn appoint David Dein as MD/CEO, and a manager who has won trophy after trophy in the past 10 years in 3 different countries. Hmmmmmm........

Spot on fella.

SteveO 35 · Post by **SteveO 35** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:34 pm

hanny73 wrote:
mrgnu1958 wrote:Mourinho for me or Hiddink or Bilic once the world cup is over.
Even Martin Oneil
O'Neill? Really? You're joking right?

Bilic no club managers experience.

Hiddink didn't leave the Russia post to become Chelsea manager so why would he do so to become Arsenal manager.
Why would Mourinho leave his job as one of the, if not the highest paid club manager in the world?! Never going to happen.
Let's have some realistic suggestions, my bet is that there aren't going to be that many.

Because he is an honourable guy, one of the old school, wanted to keep his commitment to Russia and go on to extend a fantastic World Cup career. However, the Germans and a 2-legged play off could put an end to that dream within a month or so

Mourinho has had an on-off relationship with the media and fans in Italy. He repeatedly talks about his love of the Premier League and being the kind of character he is would take great pride in managing another side succesfully and overhauling Chelsea.

I don't think either of them are totally unrealistic in terms of their own motivation. However under this board it would never happen - they would not want someone who was unable to act as their official puppet

Post by **g88ner** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:36 pm

hanny73 wrote:Do you really believe Wenger said this!? Adebayor has been proved time after time to be a bull shitter, I think this falls into this category.

No I don't believe Ade as a rule, but we didn't spend much money this summer despite selling Ade and Toure... so perhaps there is truth in it, after all?

And, with respect, I'm equally suspicious of anything Wenger has to say, too! afterall, do you honestly believe Wenger when he says this...

Wenger - There's 10 players we can't afford

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-story

My point is, both have a history of lying and spin... so who do you believe, as both comments would seem to counter the other! - and based on the lack of money spent, I have to confess I'm more inclined to believe Ade in this case!

How about you, Hanny?

Percy Dalton · Post by **Percy Dalton** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:42 pm

I would say the fact that the transfer fee wasn't reinvested into the squad suggests that he was flogged at least partly for financial reasons.

hanny73 · Post by **hanny73** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:43 pm

g88ner wrote:
hanny73 wrote:Do you really believe Wenger said this!? Adebayor has been proved time after time to be a bull shitter, I think this falls into this category.
No I don't believe Ade as a rule, but we didn't spend much money this summer despite selling Ade and Toure... so perhaps there is truth in it, after all?

And, with respect, I'm equally suspicious of anything Wenger has to say, too! afterall, do you honestly believe Wenger when he says this...

Wenger - There's 10 players we can't afford

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-story

My point is, both have a history of lying and spin... so who do you believe, as both comments would seem to counter the other! - and based on the lack of money spent, I have to confess I'm more inclined to believe Ade in this case!

How about you, Hanny?

I do agree with the fact that Wenger has the habit of lying and spin, some of which is done to protect his players other times it's just blatent.

Even if we needed the money desperately I can't seeing Wenger actually saying this Adebayor knowing that his relationship with Arsenal had soured and was bound to 'kiss and tell' at some point.

It's really difficult to believe any press articles nowadays unless there is TV/radio proof. Yesterday Adebayor said he apologised and shook hands with RvP yet today RvP is saying that he didn't receive any apology - again who do we believe?!

Post by **g88ner** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:54 pm

Percy Dalton wrote:I would say the fact that the transfer fee wasn't reinvested into the squad suggests that he was flogged at least partly for financial reasons.

I actually agree (as would most fans, I would imagine) but Wenger said this (on Arsenal.com) only a few weeks ago...

â€œThe market now is a world market, so you can always find good players. There are only a few players who have a price which we cannot reach - maybe 10 in the world but, for the rest, we have access to the market."

That's a pretty bold statement, and clearly Wenger is making sure all fans know that we are cash rich and able to buy.

So, assuming Wenger isn't completely lying through his teeth, then you have to take him on his word, I suppose.

I'm only highlighting this because this is what I hate about our club the most... the mixed messages, and things just not adding up. If we're so well off (as Wenger suggests) then why not invest in the squad?? - but if we're potless, then ok... you don't have to say as much, but just don't mislead us and boast about our wealth if it's a lie!

I just wish the club would get their stories straight before feeding it to us, because as a result, it leads to a lot of misunderstandings and frustration... even though, most fans want a reason to get behind the club.

They've created a them against us attitute between the club and their own fans, and it just seems so unnecessary!

Percy Dalton · Post by **Percy Dalton** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 5:01 pm

Wenger has lied in the past and he continues to lie to us now.As others have suggested he is completely in cahoots with the board.

Between them they send out mixed messages depending on what they want us to believe that day or simply clam up when the subject matter can only lead to a negative answer.

I have long believed that Arsene Wenger is too powerful at our football club and it is not healthy to have a manager who is so active in off-field matters.

djhdjh · Post by **djhdjh** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 5:18 pm

When Rioch went would anyone have said we should appoint that bloke who did well at Monaco and has just won the Japanese Cup?

The argument that someone should stay in their job because there is no one to replace them is a terrible one. There will always be someone out there who can do the job as well as them, especially if they've actually not done a great job for a few years.

Personally I'd wait until the end of the season if we want to make a change (which unless we seriously challenge for the league or win the Champions League I think we should) when more managers are available and so that whoever it is has time to immediately build his own side. Although I really think we missed the boat when Van Gaal went to Bayern last season, the guy's up there with Capello and Ferguson.

ten80pete · Post by **ten80pete** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 5:55 pm

I still think Wenger has what it takes to take Arsenal back to trophy winning ways but he needs to be more ruthless with his players, no matter how well he can find talent and groom it he cannot keep hold of it.

If Wenger can stop being so stubborn and listen to his fans then he will be unreplaceable however at the moment in my mind he is not irreplacebale as his tactics in big games has shown to let him down.

Why Bendtner on the wing I just do not understand it, the guy was made to play down the centre and putting him in an unnatural position like that can only harm his progress not help it.

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