UNHAPPY?? MAKE A STAND. VS FULHAM

[Bring Back Pires]

most of the posts are very depressing cos smacks of new wave impatient couch potato glory hunters

If we were calling for his head after one year without trophies - like some ManU fans do to Ferguson - then I agree, it'd be ridiculous.

Even at two or three years, I'd say that given AW's achievements, I'd be happy to remain patient.

But we're now on the verge of entering the sixth year, and I don't think that it's unreasonable, or impatient, to state my displeasure at this time.

By your own definition, how many years would it take for people to be "allowed" to be impatient without being classed as "couch potato glory hunters"? Ten years? Fifteen? Twenty?!

[spoona]

most of the posts are very depressing cos smacks of new wave impatient couch potato glory hunters

If we were calling for his head after one year without trophies - like some ManU fans do to Ferguson - then I agree, it'd be ridiculous.

Even at two or three years, I'd say that given AW's achievements, I'd be happy to remain patient.

But we're now on the verge of entering the sixth year, and I don't think that it's unreasonable, or impatient, to state my displeasure at this time.

By your own definition, how many years would it take for people to be "allowed" to be impatient without being classed as "couch potato glory hunters"? Ten years? Fifteen? Twenty?!

Agree with you BBP,some good points,I have written something very similar in another thread.

[marcengels]

marcengels

chance to replace rvp? in january? with whom exactly.

of course wenger has made mistakes but my point still stands -arguably the best six players all out at same time

Not my job to know who - that's his job, as a well-paid Football Manager, with a worldwide team of scouts.

Your point does not stand - AW was responsible for us losing half of those players for the league - cos of his obsession with the Champions League -

Therefore criticism of AW is valid, on the very same point.

[franksav63]

marcengels

chance to replace rvp? in january? with whom exactly.

of course wenger has made mistakes but my point still stands -arguably the best six players all out at same time

Wasn't Chamakh available ? Ok, he would have been cup tied in the Champions League, but then so was Arshavin last season, but no, Wenger would rather take the cheap option and pay sweet f.a. for him during the summer.

[rolypoly]

pires

can you name any team that has won anything with its best six players all injured at same time and at same stage of season?

do you blame wenger for the injuries?

between 1974 and 1988 no sane gooner ever contemplated arsenal challenging for league and that een with brady, o`leary and stapleton.

count yourself lucky to be supporting the club now and not then


frank.

show me any evidence chamakh could have been bought in jan. like most on this forum you are talking out of your arse.

[franksav63]

pires

can you name any team that has won anything with its best six players all injured at same time and at same stage of season?

do you blame wenger for the injuries?

between 1974 and 1988 no sane gooner ever contemplated arsenal challenging for league and that een with brady, o`leary and stapleton.

count yourself lucky to be supporting the club now and not then


frank.

show me any evidence chamakh could have been bought in jan. like most on this forum you are talking out of your arse.

He is out of contract Roly, there's the evidence, and again Wenger takes the cheap option of paying nowt for a player during the summer, that we could have got on board, for a vastly reduced fee, during the January transfer window.

Oh... thanks for the insult btw Roly, is that really necessary? or can't you just debate like a normal adult.

[bergkamp10]

I would like to make a request to anyone and everyone going to the Fulham game, even though I am still hoping to get a ticket for the Fulham game.....one of the things I want(ed) to do was hold up a Placard (one of them folding ones you can sneak in) for After the Game...for the TV Camera's, AW and the Board simply saying:





PLEASE! PLEASE! ALMUNIA JUST GO NOW
AND HELP US WIN SOME TROPHIES

If I can't get a ticket which is looking less and less likey as time goes by, would someone, everyone Please Do This........
the camera's are bound to pick up o it...well that's the media always looking for the negative slant on any team....and so it will get back to hapless Al...nice bloke absolute shyte keeper.

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50 banners like that would certainly send a message...
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unlikely to be able to get them in, let's also hope Walcott goes to his Football school this summer...

[Bring Back Pires]

pires

can you name any team that has won anything with its best six players all injured at same time and at same stage of season?

do you blame wenger for the injuries?

between 1974 and 1988 no sane gooner ever contemplated arsenal challenging for league and that een with brady, o`leary and stapleton.

count yourself lucky to be supporting the club now and not then

The "we weren't challenging for titles" 20 years ago line doesn't wash with me anymore I'm afraid. Just because mediocrity was the norm once upon a time, it doesn't mean it should be today; especially considering the European platform which we now occupy, and our recent history of success. And as I've mentioned, five years is a long time. If we gave 100% in every competition and just fell short, then that's one thing - but to completely disrespect the domestic cups (and the fans in the process) is nonsense. Being trophyless is one thing, but being so because AW couldn't be bothered to take the cups seriously is another. So my patience with his cup policy (of not wanting to win them) is one of my major sources of frustration. As I say, it's not just the not winning that's hard to accept, it's the lack of trying in certain comps which AW doesn't happen to fancy when he wakes up that particular morning. Remember, clubs have to apply to enter the FA and League Cups - if they're such an inconvenience, why bother entering at all? Think about it, he'd have every FA Cup weekend free, and several midweek dates in Autumn likewise. At least the fans would know where they stand, and wouldn't cough up hundreds of pounds and their time travelling across the country to attend an absolute farce. Instead, he'll plough on in Rounds 3 and 4 against the likes of Scunthorpe and Plymouth, only to wave the white flag as soon as Premiership giants the likes of Stoke - yes, Stoke! - are drawn against us. I mean, really, if you're tied with Stoke, what's the fucking point? Let's just all go home and have a big old ***** instead.

And yes, we did have major injuries this season, but it's 2010. Football is a squad game, and AW's back-ups are an absolute shambles. In any case, I don't believe that our first-team, at 100% fitness, is capable of overcoming Chelsea and Man Utd either in individual matches or over a 38-match season. There's just too many players without a footballing brain (at best; zero talent at worst).

Taking your "Do you blame AW for the injuries"? question further, I'd certainly question his training methods and the physio team he chooses to stand by. It seems the norm, rather than the exception, that a player will miss two-three games after not even being substituted off injured in the incriminating game in which the problem occured. This, to me, suggests that there's something very wrong with the warm-up (or warm-down) exercises. It's too coincidental that all our players would get these niggly strains purely by chance.

[OneBardGooner]

Unlike some people on here as Angry, Sad,Fed Up P*ssed Off that I am, with the way we have played this past week and on quite a number of times throughout the season ...I still want Arsene Wenger to stay...

let's take a hyothetical situation: say he walked or was sacked at the end of the season who the F U C K would be a better replacement - "Knowing Full Well That The Board Do Not Have or Will Not Spend the Kind of Money that the likes of manure. chvs, scousers aaand s***s have spent these past 10 seasons.....

Wenger has been operating on a shoe string budget, no other manager could have kept the team in the top four and brought in the Chapions league monies that he has with these kind of financial restrictions...

Yes, Arsenal play the 'Beautiful Game' they have more possesion than any other team in the prem...do they do anything with all that possession...often No!...

Mind you with the state of our injury ravaged squad maybe that's not too surprising;

RVP, Eduardo, Cesc, Rambo, Gibbs, Djourou, Arshavin, TV5...as each week goes by our injury list just gets longer and longer how can that be AW's fault..

AW IS to blame for THREE CRAP GOALIES!...wthe world and his dog (and I'm sure AW does too) knows that he could have and should have bought Given (at a bargain £6 mill) when he had the chance....

But he knows without any shadow of a doubt he HAS TO buy a goalie now....perhaps he thought hapless al would finally come good....the thing is when we all saw how bad almunia was becomg, AW could do nothing, he couldm't go slagging him off in the middle of the season...he trie flappy - who was like a pale and inferior impersonation of the spanish waiter...mannone - well he had 2 good games then fecked up...

AW has made mistakes but to call for his head is noting more than
armchairfanshortsightednessgloryhuntingstupidity

for those of us who were gooners long before AW came along - he is still the best manager for us....yes I am SO DESPERATE FOR US TO WIN SOMETHING - IT FECKING HURTS...But like most on here I'm Arsenal Born, Arsenal Bred, and when I die I'll Be Arsenal Dead

I'm angry at AW for his short comings, but not so angry that I think he should be replaced.

we all know simply by the law of averages that s***s would beat us at some point.....well let's think

no cesc, no RVP for 75 mins, no arshavin (though the lazy little fecker of a genius might not have decided to try anyway!), no gallas, no song, no TV5 for most of the game.....aainst the strongest s***s team they had in years - at the top of their game on their home turf......

yes, it FECKIN' HURTS....but don't see them repeating that again for quite a few seasons

oh feck that glass of wine has turned into a bottle of wine