"Groundhog Day"

[northbankbren]

US what was the team that you never named????????

Why cant you answer with a team name, and just answer with questions?(dont answer that, just want team name)

[USMartin]

US what was the team that you never named????????

Why cant you answer with a team name, and just answer with questions?(dont answer that, just want team name)

What you said name a team in Arsenal's financial position - I said in July I can't name one at that time. I haven't researched further since. I've given you not only an aswer but it seems to me the Answer you wanted unless I drastically mis-understood the question. So what are you looking for?

[northbankbren]

US what was the team that you never named????????

Why cant you answer with a team name, and just answer with questions?(dont answer that, just want team name)

What you said name a team in Arsenal's financial position - I said in July I can't name one at that time. I haven't researched further since. I've given you not only an aswer but it seems to me the Answer you wanted unless I drastically mis-understood the question. So what are you looking for?

So you are agreeing that we are in a better finacial situation than any other club you can think of. So you are saying that as a board they have the club in a very healthy position so soon after building a new stadium.

[LDB]

You're paranoid, deluded and obsessive.

I've tried as hard as i can to reason with you but nothing works. Think whatever you want. I'm out.

Yes your irresponsible language shows how hard you try. Maybe one day you will see what happens when you say the wrong thing to the wrong person out of sipte and realize just how stupid it is. Or maybe you just don't care what impact your words can have on anyone else when said to the wrong person. In which case I can't say i'll miss this or any discussion with you.

Get your thesaurus out and find some other words for deluded, obsessive and paranoid, find the ones that you would rather be called and go with that. Off the top of my head i cant think of any others so I'll just have to go with the ones my vocabulary allows for.

Oh shit, I broke my im out pledge

[LDB]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE&ob=av3e

His victory went a bit like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq6XaF1q ... re=related

[Naki_Gooner]

I seriously think that this is pushing me over the edge. You say not to open threads by him but its just everywhere like a virus! We remove trolls from the forum and I feel this is no better. Its not a healthy debate, its something that hardly anybody wants to talk about anymore. I think we need to have a democratic vote to decide whether or not to remove this virus.

my vote - remove. at the very least basement all its drivel, even if it doesnt start the thread it hijacks all threads.

[USMartin]

US what was the team that you never named????????

Why cant you answer with a team name, and just answer with questions?(dont answer that, just want team name)

What you said name a team in Arsenal's financial position - I said in July I can't name one at that time. I haven't researched further since. I've given you not only an aswer but it seems to me the Answer you wanted unless I drastically mis-understood the question. So what are you looking for?

So you are agreeing that we are in a better finacial situation than any other club you can think of. So you are saying that as a board they have the club in a very healthy position so soon after building a new stadium.

Only at some very real risk. Our position is much like BP's before the Gulf Oil Rig Disaster. That's to say that spending only a little bit more money would have led to preventing that disaster, while the choice not to helped cause it to happen and now their posiition is far less healthy.

I would compare our position to theirs in that if our lack of investment leads to missing the top four almost instantly our postition will be far less secure. That might not happen but why increase the risk of it happening just to have a higher profit banked and boost our share price?

[northbankbren]

US what was the team that you never named????????

Why cant you answer with a team name, and just answer with questions?(dont answer that, just want team name)

What you said name a team in Arsenal's financial position - I said in July I can't name one at that time. I haven't researched further since. I've given you not only an aswer but it seems to me the Answer you wanted unless I drastically mis-understood the question. So what are you looking for?

So you are agreeing that we are in a better finacial situation than any other club you can think of. So you are saying that as a board they have the club in a very healthy position so soon after building a new stadium.

Only at some very real risk. Our position is much like BP's before the Gulf Oil Rig Disaster. That's to say that spending only a little bit more money would have led to preventing that disaster, while the choice not to helped cause it to happen and now their posiition is far less healthy.

I would compare our position to theirs in that if our lack of investment leads to missing the top four almost instantly our postition will be far less secure. That might not happen but why increase the risk of it happening just to have a higher profit banked and boost our share price?

So basically you are of the opinion of 99% of people on here including myself. We need maybe 3 good players in to really push on for a title challenge.

But you post on and on about the board, when your only real problem is the fact we havent spent in the transfer market, and you rant on about the board and all type of issues surrounding them, but you seem to forget how our club is actually run.

We have a transfer/wage budget stucture, that was set up in Arsene Wengers mould/image/idea. He is the one who really dictates our transfers. If he went to the board and said he wanted £30mill on a player he thought was worth it, I think the board would back him.

The reason we havent bought in players is down to the manager.

[USMartin]

US what was the team that you never named????????

Why cant you answer with a team name, and just answer with questions?(dont answer that, just want team name)

What you said name a team in Arsenal's financial position - I said in July I can't name one at that time. I haven't researched further since. I've given you not only an aswer but it seems to me the Answer you wanted unless I drastically mis-understood the question. So what are you looking for?

So you are agreeing that we are in a better finacial situation than any other club you can think of. So you are saying that as a board they have the club in a very healthy position so soon after building a new stadium.

Only at some very real risk. Our position is much like BP's before the Gulf Oil Rig Disaster. That's to say that spending only a little bit more money would have led to preventing that disaster, while the choice not to helped cause it to happen and now their posiition is far less healthy.

I would compare our position to theirs in that if our lack of investment leads to missing the top four almost instantly our postition will be far less secure. That might not happen but why increase the risk of it happening just to have a higher profit banked and boost our share price?

So basically you are of the opinion of 99% of people on here including myself. We need maybe 3 good players in to really push on for a title challenge.

But you post on and on about the board, when your only real problem is the fact we havent spent in the transfer market, and you rant on about the board and all type of issues surrounding them, but you seem to forget how our club is actually run.

We have a transfer/wage budget stucture, that was set up in Arsene Wengers mould/image/idea. He is the one who really dictates our transfers. If he went to the board and said he wanted £30mill on a player he thought was worth it, I think the board would back him.

The reason we havent bought in players is down to the manager.

Thebn why hasn't he been encouraged once to bring in the players or some have suggested been sacked?

And why are quotinfg Ken Friar who basically said to the AST but also said that while in theory they would that that the Manger would be sacked unless they produced guaranteed results.


In other words we'll giive you the money but your job will be the collateral. Do as you have been doing and your a very well-paid employee for life. Yeah that sounds really sincere.

Besides it doesn't matter what they would give the manager so long as their wage structure is in place and if you believe its anyone but theirs you are simply wrong on that and what happened with Ashley Cole Proves as much.

[USMartin]

US what was the team that you never named????????

Why cant you answer with a team name, and just answer with questions?(dont answer that, just want team name)

What you said name a team in Arsenal's financial position - I said in July I can't name one at that time. I haven't researched further since. I've given you not only an aswer but it seems to me the Answer you wanted unless I drastically mis-understood the question. So what are you looking for?

So you are agreeing that we are in a better finacial situation than any other club you can think of. So you are saying that as a board they have the club in a very healthy position so soon after building a new stadium.

Only at some very real risk. Our position is much like BP's before the Gulf Oil Rig Disaster. That's to say that spending only a little bit more money would have led to preventing that disaster, while the choice not to helped cause it to happen and now their posiition is far less healthy.

I would compare our position to theirs in that if our lack of investment leads to missing the top four almost instantly our postition will be far less secure. That might not happen but why increase the risk of it happening just to have a higher profit banked and boost our share price?

So basically you are of the opinion of 99% of people on here including myself. We need maybe 3 good players in to really push on for a title challenge.

But you post on and on about the board, when your only real problem is the fact we havent spent in the transfer market, and you rant on about the board and all type of issues surrounding them, but you seem to forget how our club is actually run.

We have a transfer/wage budget stucture, that was set up in Arsene Wengers mould/image/idea. He is the one who really dictates our transfers. If he went to the board and said he wanted £30mill on a player he thought was worth it, I think the board would back him.

The reason we havent bought in players is down to the manager.

Thebn why hasn't he been encouraged once to bring in the players or some have suggested been sacked?

And why are quotinfg Ken Friar who basically said to the AST but also said that while in theory they would that that the Manger would be sacked unless they produced guaranteed results.


In other words we'll giive you the money but your job will be the collateral. Do as you have been doing and your a very well-paid employee for life. Yeah that sounds really sincere.

Besides it doesn't matter what they would give the manager so long as their wage structure is in place and if you believe its anyone but theirs you are simply wrong on that and what happened with Ashley Cold Proves as much.

[northbankbren]

US you cant take every quote by a board member as fact. And i only ever believe quotes if recordings are published. We've been told many things that were lies, but weve also been fed quotes that werent real also.

Do you not agree that if wenger wanted £30 mill for a player he vouched for he would get it?

[USMartin]

US you cant take every quote by a board member as fact. And i only ever believe quotes if recordings are published. We've been told many things that were lies, but weve also been fed quotes that werent real also.

Do you not agree that if wenger wanted £30 mill for a player he vouched for he would get it?

The problem isn't what might be approved to buy a player but whether our all-important wage structure would allow it. I say the answer in so and its no accident. When our total wage bill was 74 million we had two players at or over 100 thousand a week in wages. Now even though our wage bill is 30 million p[ounds higher we have none.

That is just the tip of a nasty iceberg in which we have undermnined any effort requiring paying big transfer fees by eliminating the prospect of signing the players whose clubs command such fees. By doing that it allows the Board to persist in these sort of mis-leading claims, because the money is there and in theory could be spent. We just can pay the player - or more accurately won't. Not that anyone seems to notice that.

[northbankbren]

US you cant take every quote by a board member as fact. And i only ever believe quotes if recordings are published. We've been told many things that were lies, but weve also been fed quotes that werent real also.

Do you not agree that if wenger wanted £30 mill for a player he vouched for he would get it?

The problem isn't what might be approved to buy a player but whether our all-important wage structure would allow it. I say the answer in so and its no accident. When our total wage bill was 74 million we had two players at or over 100 thousand a week in wages. Now even though our wage bill is 30 million p[ounds higher we have none.

That is just the tip of a nasty iceberg in which we have undermnined any effort requiring paying big transfer fees by eliminating the prospect of signing the players whose clubs command such fees. By doing that it allows the Board to persist in these sort of mis-leading claims, because the money is there and in theory could be spent. We just can pay the player - or more accurately won't. Not that anyone seems to notice that.

So your avoiding the question again....yes or no would they give hime £30mill if he vouched for the player?????????????????

[USMartin]

US you cant take every quote by a board member as fact. And i only ever believe quotes if recordings are published. We've been told many things that were lies, but weve also been fed quotes that werent real also.

Do you not agree that if wenger wanted £30 mill for a player he vouched for he would get it?

The problem isn't what might be approved to buy a player but whether our all-important wage structure would allow it. I say the answer in so and its no accident. When our total wage bill was 74 million we had two players at or over 100 thousand a week in wages. Now even though our wage bill is 30 million p[ounds higher we have none.

That is just the tip of a nasty iceberg in which we have undermnined any effort requiring paying big transfer fees by eliminating the prospect of signing the players whose clubs command such fees. By doing that it allows the Board to persist in these sort of mis-leading claims, because the money is there and in theory could be spent. We just can pay the player - or more accurately won't. Not that anyone seems to notice that.

So your avoiding the question again....yes or no would they give hime £30mill if he vouched for the player?????????????????

No. That is they quite simply would allow themselves to say they werewilling to give him the money to buy the player but as they would never approve the wages unless the player willingly took a massive pay cut. Thus while they could say they would give him the money they know he won't ask because it will just be a waste of time and resources.

But it they can say they would make that money available still and enough Gooners will buy it.

This is not a yes or no question because the transfer fee is only half the story

Look at these comments - two transfer windows apart both by Arsene Wenger

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-story

Arsène Wenger says only 10 players in the world are beyond his pocket…he has sufficient funds to bring almost anyone to Emirates Stadium.

“..There are only a few players who have a price which we cannot reach - maybe 10 in the world but, for the rest, we have access to the market.â€

[DB10GOONER]

Christ. What a thread!

Lads, I know many of you find USMartin's posts annoying but can we hold back on the personal abuse a bit? He is a Gooner after all.

USMartin, mate, we've been here before. You can't hijack every thread with pages of huge ranting posts against the board. I know threads regularly get hijacked on here - but not containing the same message over and over! I defend your right (within reason) to post as you see fit, and I accept it is Arsenal-related, but a forum like this is a community and it is pretty rude to keep driving the same point into every thread over and over when you know it is annoying the majority of members. Alot of members come on here to have some fun, a bit of banter, discuss The Arsenal, but huge posts containing the same message can get very irritating.

You must realise by now that we get the message. You have done everything you can to spread the word on something you obviously care alot about. I think you need to ease off on it now. You have the petition up and running, we are all very aware of your viewpoint on the board, how much further can you take it? You are an intelligent and witty bloke, try posting on some other (lighter) subjects, you might actually enjoy it!

I'm leaving this open for a while so USMartin can respond if he wants to and anyone that wants to post an opinion can do so but will lock it later because it really is old ground.