Today feels like the beginning of the end.

[highburyJD]

hard to call - everyone else in that team but Limpar ram around like headless chickens so maybe he looked worse by comparison

[TeeCee]

Wengers role has a financial element

No it doesn't!! He feeds you that line and just like a complete mug you swallow every word and think he is god!

Arsenal have a finance director and many other people employed to look after Arsenal's finances. Wenger's only worry should be going to Gazidis and saying 'Can I sign xxxxxx' or discuss with Gazidis the potential renewal/improvement of a players contract.

Wenger HIMSELF, no-one else, has engineered the award of improved contracts to almost all 1st team squad members including the likes of Denilshit and Billy Bendtner. THIS is where a lot of Arsenal's money has gone and is the reason we supposedly can't afford to pay 'top' wages to the very best players. That's WENGER who has done that, he said it himself.

[A dallying Gus Caesar]

He has turned a team of invincibles packed full of world class players in every position, into a team of gutless, mediocre, mercenary losers. I hate looking at his gormless turnip head, I hate looking at a once unflappable manager jumping up and down constantly moaning at the 4th official for 90 minutes. I hate looking at yes man Pat Rice sitting next to turnip, yes boss, no boss, Bendtner’s world class boss. Arshavin, Denilson, Almunia, Diaby, Eboue, Squilacci, Vela, Bendtner, CRETINS to a man.

His refusal to buy, his stubbornness to do things only one way, his way, his project, his blind belief that the dross he’s surrounded himself with, the dross on massive contracts despite being gutless losers can win trophies makes me physically ill. I want him gone, I want him sacked, humiliated, the same way he has humiliated the fans time and time again over the past 6 years.

TURNIP OUT.

You sum up my feeling prefectly. Is Arsene some kind of masochist? I just don't understand him. Never known a manager who I 'get' less. He can see that many of the players aren't good enough. Can't he????

[A dallying Gus Caesar]

Wengers role has a financial element

No it doesn't!! He feeds you that line and just like a complete mug you swallow every word and think he is god!

Arsenal have a finance director and many other people employed to look after Arsenal's finances. Wenger's only worry should be going to Gazidis and saying 'Can I sign xxxxxx' or discuss with Gazidis the potential renewal/improvement of a players contract.

Wenger HIMSELF, no-one else, has engineered the award of improved contracts to almost all 1st team squad members including the likes of Denilshit and Billy Bendtner. THIS is where a lot of Arsenal's money has gone and is the reason we supposedly can't afford to pay 'top' wages to the very best players. That's WENGER who has done that, he said it himself.

Spot on!

[highburyJD]

Wengers role has a financial element

No it doesn't!! He feeds you that line and just like a complete mug you swallow every word and think he is god!

Arsenal have a finance director and many other people employed to look after Arsenal's finances. Wenger's only worry should be going to Gazidis and saying 'Can I sign xxxxxx' or discuss with Gazidis the potential renewal/improvement of a players contract.

Wenger HIMSELF, no-one else, has engineered the award of improved contracts to almost all 1st team squad members including the likes of Denilshit and Billy Bendtner. THIS is where a lot of Arsenal's money has gone and is the reason we supposedly can't afford to pay 'top' wages to the very best players. That's WENGER who has done that, he said it himself.

bizarre post - in playing personnel terms you think gazidis should be determining how to spread the budget ?
if we have x to spend and 3 positions to fill gazidis should determine how its split up

this isnt a matter of opinion you're just wrong
managers dont determine their own budget but once it is determined and they are working within it that is obviously a financial element to the job

if we dont qualify for the CL we have less money surely you cant dispute that?

[TeeCee]

bizarre post - in playing personnel terms you think gazidis should be determining how to spread the budget ?
if we have x to spend and 3 positions to fill gazidis should determine how its split up

this isnt a matter of opinion you're just wrong
managers dont determine their own budget but once it is determined and they are working within it that is obviously a financial element to the job

if we dont qualify for the CL we have less money surely you cant dispute that?

Of course we earn less money if we don't qualify for the CL.
According to Wenger lovers there is no transfer budget, there is no money available which is why he doesn't spend - what is your opinion on that? It appears you think we have money to spend, yet Wenger doesn't use it?
Of course Gazidis has the say on how to spend money. Since when should a manager be allowed to spend what he likes on who he likes.......Leeds anyone?
Wenger knows he has a pot of money to spend, all managers have a pot of varying size. We all know Wenger is always banging on about spending too much money will ruin the club, he has to watch what he spends blah blah blah. So if he had a pot to spend, why would he say that?
When Dein was at the club he actually did the transfer negotiations and agreed the fees. I would assume that Gazidis has a similar role now or at least an input and an overall say, he is in a SENIOR position to Wenger! I don't think you understand much about business.

[nino_rojo]

Interesting. You dont want us to achieve something, so that we can achieve something?

No, I'm not gonna have a rant because there is no point.

An achievement on a par with winning the emirates cup

Was good enough for Man Utd last season.

And yes, mob mentality. I said I wont rant, and I wont. But here is a question...

So, we get rid of Wenger. Then what? Who do we get in that will bring us more success, and keep us from liquidation, with the money we have at our disposal?

Where did liquidation come from? Arsenal will not go into liquidation due to spending some money

and the CC was good enough for united last season condering they were coming off the back of 2 or 3 consecutive championships and a European cup the season before that

You can see how the brainwashing has kicked in with some people can't you. It's like...without Arsene there would be nothing. The World of Arsenal began in 1996 and will end when he one day steps down. Signing Cahill for £15m will end the world as we know it and send Arsenal plunging to the depths of despair and a knock at the door from the Administrator.

The club generates over £30m+ in operating profit FFS. There is money to spend but it is no-one's else job to spend it but his

Liquidation, or at least huge financial turmoil is a very real reality for teams who spend beyond their means. We dont have big money foreign owners so we cant compete with the likes of Man City and Chelski on that front. I mentioned liquidation becuase most people on here expect us to be spending money we dont have. Pick any team you like that is buying big and you will see huge financial backing, or a very bleak future unless things change.. look at the recent problems Liverpool and Utd have had.

[Arsenal 1991]

Wengers role has a financial element

No it doesn't!! He feeds you that line and just like a complete mug you swallow every word and think he is god!

Arsenal have a finance director and many other people employed to look after Arsenal's finances. Wenger's only worry should be going to Gazidis and saying 'Can I sign xxxxxx' or discuss with Gazidis the potential renewal/improvement of a players contract.

Wenger HIMSELF, no-one else, has engineered the award of improved contracts to almost all 1st team squad members including the likes of Denilshit and Billy Bendtner. THIS is where a lot of Arsenal's money has gone and is the reason we supposedly can't afford to pay 'top' wages to the very best players. That's WENGER who has done that, he said it himself.

bizarre post - in playing personnel terms you think gazidis should be determining how to spread the budget ?
if we have x to spend and 3 positions to fill gazidis should determine how its split up

this isnt a matter of opinion you're just wrong
managers dont determine their own budget but once it is determined and they are working within it that is obviously a financial element to the job

if we dont qualify for the CL we have less money surely you cant dispute that?

We have plenty of money to spend but ignoring that, our defending is absolutely shambolic for a club like ours, that has nothing to do with money etc.

[Arsenal 1991]

An achievement on a par with winning the emirates cup

Was good enough for Man Utd last season.

And yes, mob mentality. I said I wont rant, and I wont. But here is a question...

So, we get rid of Wenger. Then what? Who do we get in that will bring us more success, and keep us from liquidation, with the money we have at our disposal?

Where did liquidation come from? Arsenal will not go into liquidation due to spending some money

and the CC was good enough for united last season condering they were coming off the back of 2 or 3 consecutive championships and a European cup the season before that

You can see how the brainwashing has kicked in with some people can't you. It's like...without Arsene there would be nothing. The World of Arsenal began in 1996 and will end when he one day steps down. Signing Cahill for £15m will end the world as we know it and send Arsenal plunging to the depths of despair and a knock at the door from the Administrator.

The club generates over £30m+ in operating profit FFS. There is money to spend but it is no-one's else job to spend it but his

Liquidation, or at least huge financial turmoil is a very real reality for teams who spend beyond their means. We dont have big money foreign owners so we cant compete with the likes of Man City and Chelski on that front. I mentioned liquidation becuase most people on here expect us to be spending money we dont have. Pick any team you like that is buying big and you will see huge financial backing, or a very bleak future unless things change.. look at the recent problems Liverpool and Utd have had.

We have so much money and we wouldn't need to spend beyond our means to get the players we need. Also selling a lot of the dross would free up a lot of money. Plus whats your excuse for our defending?

[AA23Northbank]

I voted no on this basis:
Wenger has until the end of the season. His goals should be:
- Finish 2nd minimum
- Win both the Carling Cup and FA Cup to compensate his silly error in allowing us to finish 2nd in our CL group and face Barca.
- Sign a centre-back and holding midfielder.
- Get rid of/phase out players who clearly aren't good enough like Denilson, Bendtner, Squillachi, Eboue and Vela
- Stick a rocket up Arshavin's backside (metaphorically of course)

If he doesn't succeed, he should go. Still too hacked off to really talk about last night, shocking performance, but credit to Ipswich for showing fight and wanting it more than us.

[Arsenal 1991]

Sent the results to arseblogger and johncrossmirror. We need to let the press know that Arsene doesn't have the unconditional support of arsenal fans anymore.

[highburyJD]

doesn't have the unconditional support of 37 arsenal fans on a specifically moody messageboard
OMG!

[nino_rojo]

We have so much money and we wouldn't need to spend beyond our means to get the players we need. Also selling a lot of the dross would free up a lot of money. Plus whats your excuse for our defending?

We dont have anything like the money that would be needed to compete with the other clubs, which is what is needed to buy the kind of "big name" players that some people on here seem to demand.

I totally agree, our whole performance last night was an utter disgrace and was compeltely devoid of passion, energy, focus etc. Im not gonna go on about how lucky we are becuase we should always strive for more, regardless of what we have. But I dont want us to get into the same routine as the reseet of the world, thinking that all our problems will be solved by chucking the manager. I repeat; who in world football could step into Wengers role and do a better job? And would they realistically take the role?

[Arsenal 1991]

doesn't have the unconditional support of 37 arsenal fans on a specifically moody messageboard
OMG!

Probably the biggest arsenal forum and the official one is 50/50 at the moment.

Oh yer, don't be a wum.

[Arsenal 1991]

We have so much money and we wouldn't need to spend beyond our means to get the players we need. Also selling a lot of the dross would free up a lot of money. Plus whats your excuse for our defending?

We dont have anything like the money that would be needed to compete with the other clubs, which is what is needed to buy the kind of "big name" players that some people on here seem to demand.

I totally agree, our whole performance last night was an utter disgrace and was compeltely devoid of passion, energy, focus etc. Im not gonna go on about how lucky we are becuase we should always strive for more, regardless of what we have. But I dont want us to get into the same routine as the reseet of the world, thinking that all our problems will be solved by chucking the manager. I repeat; who in world football could step into Wengers role and do a better job? And would they realistically take the role?

Any manager in the prem except maybe martinez would have us defending much better and coyle would sign the required players. Wenger is supposed to be the best manager in the world (was in 2004) but mourinho, ferguson, ancelloti, guardiola would win the league with this squad no doubt.

Also had you heard of arsene before he came to us?

Of course theres charlton who thought their manager had taken them as far as he could, then they got relegated to league one but then you also have the clough who was notts forest's most successful manager but they wouldn't let go and he got them relegated.