Spurs Bid £38m for player?

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We have the money to do that if it were to come to that. If a player s performance earns a greater deal isn't that what we want? But since that is about as likely to strike as a streak ofhumility in the lad I think that is pretty unrealistic
Unrealistic or not it could happen then where does it stop he demands xxxK per week increase, Walcott walks in and demands the same because he set up most of his goals, Fabregas and RVP walk in and what a rise inline with NB and Walcott. Wenger and the board say no all lets loose on the forums because RVP/Fabregas and Walcott put in transfer requests. Arsenal have a set wage structure how many players have left Arsenal because of wages in the past 5 seasons there is a fine line between giving too much or too little but only Arsenal will know if they have it correct or not
Oly Arsenal will know? Come now - we know know easily enough we see the players on the pitch now and how good they are or are not and now have a pretty good idea how they are paid.

The reality is simple - even if we assume what you say might happen does happen. You deal with each situatiion individually, measuring the value of the individual player to the team relative to their wages and/or wage demands. At the same time you measure the cost of replacing that player if you are unable or unwilling to meet their wages.

Its funny but we didn't a bunch of players beating down the door to leave Arsenal before 2005 in part because they were paid sufficient wages and in part because they were in a winning team that won trophies. You think those players couldn't have left for more money if that suited them?

They almost all left on frees because either they couldn't earn more elsewhere or couldn't be confident of winning trophies where they could earn more. That is why we have had so many players particularly the summer of 2004 leave for free or minimal transfer fees (Wiltord, Kanu, Parlour). The reason Edu and Pires and Campbell the first time round all left for free was because they were on satisfactory wages until the time to sign new contracts arose.

Losing players like them for free was solely down to an unwillingness to pay them what they actually earned at Arsenal going forward. I mean what other business benefit was there in losing them for free? Oh that paying them 70K was better than paying their replacements 70K because replacements on those wages of that quality would cost more in transfer fees.

Of course had we sold Highbury instead of borrowing another 120 million and eliminating revenue to pay for the stadium loan as we did then we might not have been forced to make the same sorts of choices, no?

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Re: Spurs Bid £38m for player?

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Boomer wrote:
Iceman29 wrote:
Boomer wrote:
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Boomer wrote: To lock this thread as I said above. Aguero's signed an extention.
I thought this thread was about Kun signing for Spurs. Given that has not happened, we have gone on to discuss Arsenal's wage structure. Why?
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That is why we have had so many players particularly the summer of 2004 leave for free or minimal transfer fees
Sorry I dont know you mates spreadsheet doesnt count free transfers as transfers so aparently they dont count?

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That is why we have had so many players particularly the summer of 2004 leave for free or minimal transfer fees
Sorry I dont know you mates spreadsheet doesnt count free transfers as transfers so aparently they dont count?
No they don't count as part of the spending. If a player tansfers for free as part of an exchange deal as when let Giovanni VanBronckhorst got to Barca for free as we signed Cesc Fabregas or Chelsea let William Gallas come to Arsenal for free when we sold them Ashley Cole for a knock-down fee

So free transfers which did not either see us get a player back or give a player back as part of the deal do not count because there is nothing of value exchanged.

So just look at the transfers out since the summer of 2004 even and notice whose names are not listed.

I will save you the trouble - Kanu, Wiltord, Parlour, Edu, Pires, Flamini, Campbell, Lehmann just for starters. And Lauren was sold for 500K and Gilberto Silva for 1.2 million, hardly their value to us on the pitch.

That is 10 of the 22 players who appeared in the Premiership for the Invincibles of 2004 - half the team and we sold them for a total of 1.7 million pounds. Something really had to justify that because they were bought for 37.0 million total. My guess is it's better to overpay Denilson than to underpay or even properly pay Edu.
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But if those and other players are allowed to leave doesnt that free up club finaces to spend on other players and the other way round if we bring players in on free transfers doesnt that effect how much we can spend on other players. So in real terms players joining or leaving on free transfers do effect the club so as such should be posted as players in and out of the club.


Sorry to everybody else about going off topic :oops:

a quick question how much would we of made by selling highbury to the developers?

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If you do a search of USMartin's previous posts, I'm sure he mentions the figure in about 75% of them!! :banghead: :banghead: :wink: :lol: :lol: :wink:

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stg wrote:But if those and other players are allowed to leave doesnt that free up club finaces to spend on other players and the other way round if we bring players in on free transfers doesnt that effect how much we can spend on other players. So in real terms players joining or leaving on free transfers do effect the club so as such should be posted as players in and out of the club.


Sorry to everybody else about going off topic :oops:

a quick question how much would we of made by selling highbury to the developers?
I think the answer depends on how many players are allowed to leave for free or are brought in for free - if the numbers match up then you would be right.

But you rsecond point is most interesting. Reports have suggested as little at 40 million and as high as 85 million so I would say it not entirely certain though most discussions on this I have been involved in put it at 65-70 million.

So basically we would have had at least two years possibly as many as four full years or stadium loan repayments covered from 2005 on had we sold Highbury. By chossing re-develop it we increased our total debt ny about 50% at the time, elimated a souce of revenue to pay off the debt for several years, and increased our debt obligation to be paid by 2010 by over 100%.

And we did make a profit over what we would by selling the property - all of 30 million pounds - not even two years of stadium loan repayments, and as yet that profit appears to be sitting in the banks neither paying down that debt nor being re-invested in the football team.

But while that 30 million looks miniscule realtive to the sacrifices made to achieve it it still a profit and that still will push the sare price up as that kind of profitability will attract investors.

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I Hate Hleb wrote:If you do a search of USMartin's previous posts, I'm sure he mentions the figure in about 75% of them!! :banghead: :banghead: :wink: :lol: :lol: :wink:
77.8% actually :lol:

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How embarrassing that the threads on here today are all about other teams transfers!!!!

but then again according to Zippy if we signed player or 2 we would go down the shitter like Leeds :oops: :awnker:

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flash gunner wrote:How embarrassing that the threads on here today are all about other teams transfers!!!!

but then again according to Zippy if we signed player or 2 we would go down the shitter like Leeds :oops: :awnker:
He got that directly from Peter Hill-Wood

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"Amendment. I wrote ‘Tottenham’. I was meant to write ‘Chelsea’. Sorry chaps."

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Amendment. I wrote ‘Tottenham’. I was meant to write ‘Chelsea’. Sorry chaps.
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