anti-wenger protest at fulham?

[piresistible]

Get that FALCO-PRONTO

[mikeyb772001]

Can i wish him to have a funny turn like Arthur folwer after he stole the Christmas money?

It might explain where the transfer money has gone to

We will know in december!

[piresistible]

got so ill that he has to quit.

I'm sorry but are you seriously wishing somebody gets ill?

Im wishing that he leaves in any way possible. Sick of the sight of him.

The only way he will leave is if the pressure really gets to high. So bring on the pressure I say so the old man has to quit.

He could however stop all the pressure, all the abuse from the fans, all the unwanted media attention, all the football world criticising , every other set of fans singing about him and current and ex players telling us how wrong he is.

Simple

You correct the simple mistakes that even my girl friend can see

You sell the shit passionless players we have

You sign some new ones

Champions

But no. this old c**t likes to prove everyone wrong, treat us paying fans like mugs and make us a laughing stock of the footballing world

So yes I wish he would get mentally ill so he has to leave

NO. This is where you are wrong. You don't go from beating Barca, Chavs and UTD to all of a sudden to our drastic decline. The ability is there - we can all see that - minro adjustments are required- this team is severly lacking in confidence and a player who can bring this to the team will seriously see us as winners - mark my words if wenger is able to get one leader in this team we will be champions.

[LDB]

got so ill that he has to quit.

I'm sorry but are you seriously wishing somebody gets ill?

Im wishing that he leaves in any way possible. Sick of the sight of him.

The only way he will leave is if the pressure really gets to high. So bring on the pressure I say so the old man has to quit.

He could however stop all the pressure, all the abuse from the fans, all the unwanted media attention, all the football world criticising , every other set of fans singing about him and current and ex players telling us how wrong he is.

Simple

You correct the simple mistakes that even my girl friend can see

You sell the shit passionless players we have

You sign some new ones

Champions

But no. this old c**t likes to prove everyone wrong, treat us paying fans like mugs and make us a laughing stock of the footballing world

So yes I wish he would get mentally ill so he has to leave

NO. This is where you are wrong. You don't go from beating Barca, Chavs and UTD to all of a sudden to our drastic decline. The ability is there - we can all see that - minro adjustments are required- this team is severly lacking in confidence and a player who can bring this to the team will seriously see us as winners - mark my words if wenger is able to get one leader in this team we will be champions.

But he wont because its not in his philosophy. He doesnt like players shouting, he has 11 captains on the pitch remember?

[SteveO 35]

got so ill that he has to quit.

I'm sorry but are you seriously wishing somebody gets ill?

Im wishing that he leaves in any way possible. Sick of the sight of him.

The only way he will leave is if the pressure really gets to high. So bring on the pressure I say so the old man has to quit.

He could however stop all the pressure, all the abuse from the fans, all the unwanted media attention, all the football world criticising , every other set of fans singing about him and current and ex players telling us how wrong he is.

Simple

You correct the simple mistakes that even my girl friend can see

You sell the shit passionless players we have

You sign some new ones

Champions

But no. this old c**t likes to prove everyone wrong, treat us paying fans like mugs and make us a laughing stock of the footballing world

So yes I wish he would get mentally ill so he has to leave

NO. This is where you are wrong. You don't go from beating Barca, Chavs and UTD to all of a sudden to our drastic decline. The ability is there - we can all see that - minro adjustments are required- this team is severly lacking in confidence and a player who can bring this to the team will seriously see us as winners - mark my words if wenger is able to get one leader in this team we will be champions.

But he wont because its not in his philosophy. He doesnt like players shouting, he has 11 captains on the pitch remember?

Yes I think the actual quote was "leadership is overplayed" before banging on about the merits of "rotational leadership".

Quite possibly the biggest load of bollocks to come from his mouth in recent times, which given the list of other quotes is quite something. Probably 2nd only to his comments about Drogba not doing much when he pissed all over as the bowl last year

[piresistible]

Firstly, this idea of a 5 year project. I have no idea where it comes from. I have certainly never heard Wenger ever mention it. What constitutes this project according to you?

What was he doing 6 years ago that is the same, and that needed a change then in the same way as it does now? Again. the 6 years has been the same is only trotted out because of the trophies. Not for anything else happening at the club.

You really think it is so easy? Let’s say you are right. Tell me where the money for buying ‘champions’ comes from? How the players that are to be sold will be disposed of? who will buy them? How will the players who come in fit into the new squad rules? What exactly defines passion for you? What is the guarantee that the new players will have any more passion? How do you gauge that?

Only thing you are right about is that he could ease the pressure by doing what the media, and hence people at large demand. Big name players and an English spine. (Which somehow means more committed or more passionate automatically). You attribute his not doing so to his ego. I think he is proud of his achievements in that regard (and rightly so) but why he doesn’t do the ‘simple’ things is because it is not necessarily the best thing for the club. The pressure he faces is due to his selflessness and willingness to absorb all the blame. Of course the last bit is an assumption as well because I do not know his inner thoughts. But neither do you, so stop proclaiming it as fact.

And by the way. You can want him gone, and make a point to that regard, without abusing the man who is the most successful manager in Arsenal’s long and proud history.

[Magic Merse]

No one's saying that buying a vocal Englishman is going to guarantee success but i think at this stage its worth trying something a bit different to the norm.

When you have someone like Parker up for sale at what will be a relatively small price, surely it must be worth it, in this instance to give it a go.

[LDB]

No one's saying that buying a vocal Englishman is going to guarantee success but i think at this stage its worth trying something a bit different to the norm.

When you have someone like Parker up for sale at what will be a relatively small price, surely it must be worth it, in this instance to give it a go.

I agree. It is essential for football clubs (when its not going well) to be seen to be trying different things to rectify the problem. If we dont then the players will lose even more confidence in their ability to break the duck. This idea that we can stand still and wait for things to come good is stupid, with every passing year confidence will slip that bit more and then the game will be well and truly up.

Wenger has to make the decision to change to preserve, if he doesnt then he is just destroying his own philosophy.

[piresistible]

Why do so called supporters have such short memories? Look at where we were before Arsene – A Jobbing club that sometimes got lucky, but were never as successful as say l’pool, United, Forest, Leeds etc. We were playing at Highbury, the smallest (but nicest) stadium in the league. To be blunt, we were just another villa or Everton. Now however, due to the diligence shown by Arsene and the previous board, we are regulars in europe, we have the best stadium in the league which provides us with over £5 million every home match, we are a continued presence in the ‘top four’.

I really believe that if one or two reffing decisions had not been so outrageously bad, we would have progressed to the final of the CL and that we would have won the league. We are so close. the difference between our success and failure is so small, its indeterminable.

who is regularly winning cups? the financially irregular teams, thats who. now we cant all be that way, there arent enough oil billionaires out there, and even if we could, would we want to.

I think that the answer to this question defines you as a supporter. Personally I wouldnt like to see us emulate chelsea, united or city. two of those clubs buy their trophies ( we can all do that) and the other has borrowed massively to buy theirs.

can we not agree that when we win a cup, it will be worth 10 times as much because we won it fairly and honorably? Like, and I hate to say it, Birmingham. they havent sold their soul to the devil at the crossroads, they may carry some debt, but their spending pales into insignificance when compared to most teams in the league.

I would like to cheer you up by listing a few positives of Arsenal at the moment. we have one of the top four managers in the world – let’s face it, if arsene goes, he will be snapped up far quicker than a decent replacement could be found. We have the best stadium in the league, We have zero real debt, a new owner with very deep pockets, Ramsay and Vermaelen have just come back and will be like two new signings next season. The FPP rules have the ability (maybe not the conviction) to really level the playing field in terms of financial doping. some reffing technology is being seriously considered by fifa and uefa, and to cap it all off the spuds have still won nothing, havent got champs league and finished below us in the league.

We are the Arsenal, the mighty mighty Arsenal.

[Boomer]

Why do so called supporters have such short memories? Look at where we were before Arsene – A Jobbing club that sometimes got lucky, but were never as successful as say l’pool, United, Forest, Leeds etc. We were playing at Highbury, the smallest (but nicest) stadium in the league. To be blunt, we were just another villa or Everton. Now however, due to the diligence shown by Arsene and the previous board, we are regulars in europe, we have the best stadium in the league which provides us with over £5 million every home match, we are a continued presence in the ‘top four’.

I really believe that if one or two reffing decisions had not been so outrageously bad, we would have progressed to the final of the CL and that we would have won the league. We are so close. the difference between our success and failure is so small, its indeterminable.
who is regularly winning cups? the financially irregular teams, thats who. now we cant all be that way, there arent enough oil billionaires out there, and even if we could, would we want to.

I think that the answer to this question defines you as a supporter. Personally I wouldnt like to see us emulate chelsea, united or city. two of those clubs buy their trophies ( we can all do that) and the other has borrowed massively to buy theirs.

can we not agree that when we win a cup, it will be worth 10 times as much because we won it fairly and honorably? Like, and I hate to say it, Birmingham. they havent sold their soul to the devil at the crossroads, they may carry some debt, but their spending pales into insignificance when compared to most teams in the league.

I would like to cheer you up by listing a few positives of Arsenal at the moment. we have one of the top four managers in the world – let’s face it, if arsene goes, he will be snapped up far quicker than a decent replacement could be found. We have the best stadium in the league, We have zero real debt, a new owner with very deep pockets, Ramsay and Vermaelen have just come back and will be like two new signings next season. The FPP rules have the ability (maybe not the conviction) to really level the playing field in terms of financial doping. some reffing technology is being seriously considered by fifa and uefa, and to cap it all off the spuds have still won nothing, havent got champs league and finished below us in the league.

We are the Arsenal, the mighty mighty Arsenal.

IF! If is a big word.
If Wenger bought the necessary players that we have been wanting for the past 2 seasons.....

[Rocky Number Seven]

Why do so called supporters have such short memories? Look at where we were before Arsene – A Jobbing club that sometimes got lucky, but were never as successful as say l’pool, United, Forest, Leeds etc. We were playing at Highbury, the smallest (but nicest) stadium in the league.

Smallest stadiums in the league.... Assume you didnt travel much back in 1996. What about The Dell, Roker Park, Baseball Ground, Highfield Road and Filbert Street to name but a few. The only stadiums that could match up to Highbury when Wenger arrived were probably Old Trafford, Anfield, Villa Park, Goodison, Elland Road and Hillsborough.

[worthing_gooner]

Why do so called supporters have such short memories? Look at where we were before Arsene – A Jobbing club that sometimes got lucky, but were never as successful as say l’pool, United, Forest, Leeds etc. We were playing at Highbury, the smallest (but nicest) stadium in the league. To be blunt, we were just another villa or Everton. Now however, due to the diligence shown by Arsene and the previous board, we are regulars in europe, we have the best stadium in the league which provides us with over £5 million every home match, we are a continued presence in the ‘top four’.

I really believe that if one or two reffing decisions had not been so outrageously bad, we would have progressed to the final of the CL and that we would have won the league. We are so close. the difference between our success and failure is so small, its indeterminable.

who is regularly winning cups? the financially irregular teams, thats who. now we cant all be that way, there arent enough oil billionaires out there, and even if we could, would we want to.

I think that the answer to this question defines you as a supporter. Personally I wouldnt like to see us emulate chelsea, united or city. two of those clubs buy their trophies ( we can all do that) and the other has borrowed massively to buy theirs.

can we not agree that when we win a cup, it will be worth 10 times as much because we won it fairly and honorably? Like, and I hate to say it, Birmingham. they havent sold their soul to the devil at the crossroads, they may carry some debt, but their spending pales into insignificance when compared to most teams in the league.

I would like to cheer you up by listing a few positives of Arsenal at the moment. we have one of the top four managers in the world – let’s face it, if arsene goes, he will be snapped up far quicker than a decent replacement could be found. We have the best stadium in the league, We have zero real debt, a new owner with very deep pockets, Ramsay and Vermaelen have just come back and will be like two new signings next season. The FPP rules have the ability (maybe not the conviction) to really level the playing field in terms of financial doping. some reffing technology is being seriously considered by fifa and uefa, and to cap it all off the spuds have still won nothing, havent got champs league and finished below us in the league.

We are the Arsenal, the mighty mighty Arsenal.

You're right, we are the Arsenal, and you do make some good points. But The Arsenal should not be accepting fourth place in the league which is how it seems at the moment.

Time and again we have been close, so close. The same thing (lack of leadership/experience) has failed us time and time and time again. And yet it has still not been sorted, Wenger continues to buy youth and bargain basement players.

If he'd invested in a top quality keeper, yes it could cost 20 million - but it could save you 10 points every season! Same for a world class centre back, or a world class striker.

If he goes and signs a world class striker for £30m - yeah, that's £30m but at the end of the day it gets repaid in merchandising, the fans' rekindled belief in the team and atmosphere at games, the presence on the pitch, the goals which take you to the next level or earn you vital winners in the league.

For too long wenger has been scraping around trying to pick up players on the cheap when it's glaringly obvious to everyone he needs to go out and invest in some quality.

IMO I am willing to give him one more season for the reason that the strength of discontent is far far stronger than it has ever been and for that reason wenger knows that he HAS to change this year. Other seasons there has been discontent, but not so strong and he's been able to brush it under the carpet. Not now though. One more year of failure and it really is all over. The fans, including me, will not stand for it any more.

[SteveO 35]

Why do so called supporters have such short memories? Look at where we were before Arsene – A Jobbing club that sometimes got lucky, but were never as successful as say l’pool, United, Forest, Leeds etc. We were playing at Highbury, the smallest (but nicest) stadium in the league. To be blunt, we were just another villa or Everton. Now however, due to the diligence shown by Arsene and the previous board, we are regulars in europe, we have the best stadium in the league which provides us with over £5 million every home match, we are a continued presence in the ‘top four’.

I really believe that if one or two reffing decisions had not been so outrageously bad, we would have progressed to the final of the CL and that we would have won the league. We are so close. the difference between our success and failure is so small, its indeterminable.

who is regularly winning cups? the financially irregular teams, thats who. now we cant all be that way, there arent enough oil billionaires out there, and even if we could, would we want to.

I think that the answer to this question defines you as a supporter. Personally I wouldnt like to see us emulate chelsea, united or city. two of those clubs buy their trophies ( we can all do that) and the other has borrowed massively to buy theirs.

can we not agree that when we win a cup, it will be worth 10 times as much because we won it fairly and honorably? Like, and I hate to say it, Birmingham. they havent sold their soul to the devil at the crossroads, they may carry some debt, but their spending pales into insignificance when compared to most teams in the league.

I would like to cheer you up by listing a few positives of Arsenal at the moment. we have one of the top four managers in the world – let’s face it, if arsene goes, he will be snapped up far quicker than a decent replacement could be found. We have the best stadium in the league, We have zero real debt, a new owner with very deep pockets, Ramsay and Vermaelen have just come back and will be like two new signings next season. The FPP rules have the ability (maybe not the conviction) to really level the playing field in terms of financial doping. some reffing technology is being seriously considered by fifa and uefa, and to cap it all off the spuds have still won nothing, havent got champs league and finished below us in the league.

We are the Arsenal, the mighty mighty Arsenal.

Listen - everyone is entitled to their opinion and you're not going to get shot down for that....but please don't try to change the course of history and please get your facts straight

Before Arsene Wenger joined Arsenal in 1996, only Liverpool had won more domestic titles; the 18 they still have today. United were on ten and prior to Ferguson they only had 7. Leeds United have won the title three times and Forest once. So how that makes us on a par with them or a 'jobbing' club whatever that is supposed to mean, needs some more explaining from you.

In those days no English club was a regular in Europe as we'd emerged from a ban and the title had a period of swapping between Liverpool, Arsenal, Leeds, Blackburn and United, before the days when Champions League positions were dished out to the top 4. In GG's days we regularly qualified for Europe either the UEFA, Cup Winners or the European Cup (sadly denied our right in 1989, but thank everyone's 2nd loves Liverpool for that)

Most stadia in this country were on a par with our 38,000 odd capacity - only OT was notably bigger.

The comment about a couple of reffing decisions is completely speculative. United could argue they should have had a penalty at the Emirates (and they should) and in the first part of the season we'd had more penalties than anyone else (and some of them very soft ones with the likes of Chamakh taking an all too easy tumble).

Manchester United are the most regular winners of cups and they are not financially irregular. They have 16.5% high interest bonds to service from their income and they are doing it comfortably actually; read the accounts. Chelsea I agree are financially irregular but won nothing this year and City have now won a trophy finally. You might not like United's ownership structure but there is nothing irregular about it; it was a leveraged buy-out of a PLC....happens all the time. If they don't service the debt they fold - simple as that. But they are servicing the debt

To say we have zero real debt is also completely untrue - if you debt secured against an asset then trust me that is real debt. A term loan that can not be repaid early, and 17 years is a long time to generate the consistent level of cash flow required to service it.

The Financial Fair Play rules have not yet been fully drawn up by UEFA and in any case will be filled with loopholes. Its not inconceivable that Europe's elite clubs will breakaway if they don't like the rules (much as F1 teams threatened to do 2 years ago, and the leading darts players did years before that). City is run by men so independantly wealthy that they will not have some delegates from UEFA telling them that they can't spend 200m. Real, Barca, Chelsea, City and possibly others will run rough over whatever rules are set and then what do you think will happen. UEFA will kick them all out and devalue their own competitions......I think not. The whole thing has honourable intentions but is impossible to administer. If someone gazumps you on a property can you go running to some official body and cry "foul play" ?

You make some good, impassioned arguments on Wenger's behalf but you have also changed the course of history.

[mikeyb772001]

got so ill that he has to quit.

I'm sorry but are you seriously wishing somebody gets ill?

Im wishing that he leaves in any way possible. Sick of the sight of him.

The only way he will leave is if the pressure really gets to high. So bring on the pressure I say so the old man has to quit.

He could however stop all the pressure, all the abuse from the fans, all the unwanted media attention, all the football world criticising , every other set of fans singing about him and current and ex players telling us how wrong he is.

Simple

You correct the simple mistakes that even my girl friend can see

You sell the shit passionless players we have

You sign some new ones

Champions

But no. this old c**t likes to prove everyone wrong, treat us paying fans like mugs and make us a laughing stock of the footballing world

So yes I wish he would get mentally ill so he has to leave

NO. This is where you are wrong. You don't go from beating Barca, Chavs and UTD to all of a sudden to our drastic decline. The ability is there - we can all see that - minro adjustments are required- this team is severly lacking in confidence and a player who can bring this to the team will seriously see us as winners - mark my words if wenger is able to get one leader in this team we will be champions.

so beating Barca, chavs and manure means we are good enough to win the league again?

The point is throughout the season we haven’t managed to have a good run of games despite beating teams like Barca.

You are trying very hard to win these debates but you arguments have major flaws.

You talk of minor tweaks and then we will be great again. WAKE UP!!!! We have needed these minor tweaks the last 6 years and he ignores them every year. That’s why we are so fucked off

[I Hate Hleb]

Thanks SteveO. Was going to pull piresistible up about his first paragraph but you've done it for me.

Nothing could better illustrate that the guy is probably a JCL who supports Arsene not Arsenal FC then those comments. Talk about not knowing your history!!