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SPUDMASHER wrote:Can you think of any of our first team Hadareud? I would suggest that the following are not good enough:-
For ability,
Song (borderline)
Diaby
Denilson
Eboue
Bendtner (borderline)
For attitude:-
Greedycashwhore
Diaby
For reliability:-
Rosicky
Van Persie
Walcott
I wouldn't mind betting you're quite happy with all of them.
So by your reckoning, Pires wasn't reliable enough because he sustained a long term injury?
How can you compare the two??
Pires was unlucky to get a BAD injury. RVP, Rosicknote and Walcott have all missed alot of games through "niggling" injuries and "reoccurring problems". Accepted, they each have had genuine injuries at certain times but I'm referring to the "niggling" ones that seem to constantly crop up.
In the old days players played through "niggling" injuries for a couple hundred quid a week. Your modern goofball mercenary won't play if they have a bruise, and that's on 50k or more a week!
Andrey's Tongue wrote:
Yes, you are reading this right. He is saying that Rosicky and Van Persie, both excellent players are not good enough because they are not reliable enough, presumably because they are too injury prone. Working on this basis I was asking if he felt the same way about Pires just because he also had a long term injury.
Bizarre comparison.
Pires was not an injury prone player... he just had one bad injury, but was generally reliable both before and after that injury.
In fact, during his Arsenal career he made 33 league appearances in his first season, and 28, 26, 36, 33 and 33 league appearances in the following 5 seasons.
SPUDMASHER wrote:Can you think of any of our first team Hadareud? I would suggest that the following are not good enough:-
For ability,
Song (borderline)
Diaby
Denilson
Eboue
Bendtner (borderline)
For attitude:-
Greedycashwhore
Diaby
For reliability:-
Rosicky
Van Persie
Walcott
I wouldn't mind betting you're quite happy with all of them.
that depends what you would class as happy.
- I'm not happy with Adebayor and I'm unsure that he'll be able to turn it around, too many bridges have been burnt and he will be sold this summer. He is still good enough though. He's not Henry good, but then again, who is?
- I am very frustrated with Diaby. He is incredibly talented and he's not done anything with his talent other than a few flashes of brilliance. He's too sloppy and has concentration issues, but for me there's no questioning his ability. He has so much in his locker, but if he doesn't step it up massively this season it will be time to say goodbye. I actually wouldn't mind sending him out on loan for a season this summer.
- Song is a good player. Does have the needed ability and application but needed a few years to show it.
- Eboue is a handy squad player but considering he is starting to mouth off about not getting enough games I wouldn't be too sad to see him go
- Bendtner scored more goals than any other young player in the league and had an excellent second half to the season. Will improve to a point where he's better than Adebayor ever was imo.
- Denilson is very underrated and will become an excellent player
- Rosicky is a brilliant little player and I really hope he can stay fit next season (though this is unfortunaly nothing but wishful thinking). But how could I possibly be happy with not having him available for 1 1/2 seasons?
- Van Persie's injury record is exaggerated. He had 2 serious injuries in 5 years and a few niggling injuries when he came back from the knee injury last year. I don't view it as a problem.
- Walcott is too young to make a judgement whether he is injury prone. He had both shoulders fixed and with any luck that's it. We'll see.
Agree with the majority of this. Personally I think Diaby's progress was ruined by that ankle injury - id love him to step up next season but if we do get another midfielder in he could be the casualty, and probably rightly so.
Seems the whole squad has been pulled into question here! I dont think the squad needs a huge overhaul, certainly not in attack we have more than enough options. One more central defender and perhaps a central midfielder would be enough to get us back up there.
I cant beleive people are questioning Bendtner, not many people at his age are doing what he is doing - as part of a "mini-group" of strikers he is a brilliant option, and I agree that he could go on to do more than Adebayor has done for us. He is a very promising young player, he suffered a dip in form for sure, but so do a lot of strikers - the diffence is he refound his form and worked hard to do it.
DB10, IHH, Galasso come and join me on the sidelines. You ain't never gonna get through to some people round here. It's a waste of your time and effort.
Andrey's Tongue wrote:
Yes, you are reading this right. He is saying that Rosicky and Van Persie, both excellent players are not good enough because they are not reliable enough, presumably because they are too injury prone. Working on this basis I was asking if he felt the same way about Pires just because he also had a long term injury.
Bizarre comparison.
Pires was not an injury prone player... he just had one bad injury, but was generally reliable both before and after that injury.
In fact, during his Arsenal career he made 33 league appearances in his first season, and 28, 26, 36, 33 and 33 league appearances in the following 5 seasons.
So you can see that Rosicky has been injury prone for his entire career... Pires hasn't.
So again.... bizarre comparison!
I wasn't making a direct comparison of appearances / injuries. I was saying that it was a bit strange that he wanted good players out the club because of injury (I just used Pires as it was the first example that I thought of!).
Number 5 wrote:DB10, IHH, Galasso come and join me on the sidelines. You ain't never gonna get through to some people round here. It's a waste of your time and effort.
SPUDMASHER wrote:Can you think of any of our first team Hadareud? I would suggest that the following are not good enough:-
For ability,
Song (borderline)
Diaby
Denilson
Eboue
Bendtner (borderline)
For attitude:-
Greedycashwhore
Diaby
For reliability:-
Rosicky
Van Persie
Walcott
I wouldn't mind betting you're quite happy with all of them.
So by your reckoning, Pires wasn't reliable enough because he sustained a long term injury?
Not at all. Piss poor comparison actually. Pires had proven himself consistently prior to his injury. He also came back quicker than first expected and didn't have his return date delayed for "complications" every 3 weeks. So if you want to pick holes, at least pick them by using valid points.
Guys, "sit on the sidelines" your opinion is not 100% right and you cant just sweep aside the opinions of those that dont agree...Hadreud has actually written a decent response.
This is the kind of thing that annoys some people, a thread on Tevez has ended up having a go at Song, Eboue, Bendtner etc - as do most threads!
Bendtners Drinking Buddy wrote:Guys, "sit on the sidelines" your opinion is not 100% right and you cant just sweep aside the opinions of those that dont agree...Hadreud has actually written a decent response.
This is the kind of thing that annoys some people, a thread on Tevez has ended up having a go at Song, Eboue, Bendtner etc - as do most threads!
I think you will find that our opinion is 100% right.
the point being BDB, that Hadareud gave a list of , at best fringe players, and quite happily criticised them. Once asked the tough question about first teamers he resorted to type and said how good they were. Then to cap it all, another tries to suggest I was comparing Rosicknote to Pires and I never did so.
You guys then wonder why some on here call you "rosetinters". You struggle to see the very clear faults that our players have.
SPUDMASHER wrote:the point being BDB, that Hadareud gave a list of , at best fringe players, and quite happily criticised them. Once asked the tough question about first teamers he resorted to type and said how good they were. Then to cap it all, another tries to suggest I was comparing Rosicknote to Pires and I never did so.
You guys then wonder why some on here call you "rosetinters". You struggle to see the very clear faults that our players have.
Yeah and the fact that some of them are shit!!
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SPUDMASHER wrote:Can you think of any of our first team Hadareud? I would suggest that the following are not good enough:-
For ability,
Song (borderline)
Diaby
Denilson
Eboue
Bendtner (borderline)
For attitude:-
Greedycashwhore
Diaby
For reliability:-
Rosicky
Van Persie
Walcott
I wouldn't mind betting you're quite happy with all of them.
So by your reckoning, Pires wasn't reliable enough because he sustained a long term injury?
Not at all. Piss poor comparison actually. Pires had proven himself consistently prior to his injury. He also came back quicker than first expected and didn't have his return date delayed for "complications" every 3 weeks. So if you want to pick holes, at least pick them by using valid points.
Ok, fine, you've answered my question. On the other players you've mentioned, I quite like seeing a player start off in the Carling Cup, progress to the first team squad and then start to assert themselves in the starting 11.
I find it incredibly insulting that some are patronising other people's opinion to a point where they are basically saying "don't waste your time on those idiots. We are right and they'll never get it because they are just too stupid and 99% of the Arsenal fans agree with us".
