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LDB wrote:So is this more or less of a big deal then when we lost 8-2 at Utd? Margin of defeat is the same but at least we put the ball in the onion bag twice and had an injury list as long as your arm.
Freak results happen.
United also lost 6-1 AT OLD TRAFFORD to Man City - and Citeh went on to win the league.
These things happen from time to time. That Arsenal team that was humiliated 8-2 was there for the taking with a back 4 of Traore, Jenkinson and Djourou in it, as well as Coquelin, Ramsey (who was certainly not the player he has been this season!) and a fat Arshavin. And Theo, who is hardly a man to rely on when the chips are down.
So much is made of that result, but United's 6-1 at home to Citeh was worse in my opinion.
I don't think so. At the end of the day a 6-1 defeat at home to rivals is humiliating, but there were obviously some mitigating circumstances with a first half red card and 3 of the goals coming late on when the 10 men threw caution to the wind. Obviously they were largely outplayed as well but nowhere near as comprehensively as we were.
The 8-2 game wasn't just disgraceful, it was plain weird to watch. I knew we were in for a hiding but to me it wasn't just like one of those days where everything goes wrong - they were just embarrassingly superior to us physically and mentally, it didn't strike me as a fluke result. What made it even more strange was that I can't remember us ever creating so much at Old Trafford
LDB wrote:So is this more or less of a big deal then when we lost 8-2 at Utd? Margin of defeat is the same but at least we put the ball in the onion bag twice and had an injury list as long as your arm.
Freak results happen.
United also lost 6-1 AT OLD TRAFFORD to Man City - and Citeh went on to win the league.
These things happen from time to time. That Arsenal team that was humiliated 8-2 was there for the taking with a back 4 of Traore, Jenkinson and Djourou in it, as well as Coquelin, Ramsey (who was certainly not the player he has been this season!) and a fat Arshavin. And Theo, who is hardly a man to rely on when the chips are down.
So much is made of that result, but United's 6-1 at home to Citeh was worse in my opinion.
I don't think so. At the end of the day a 6-1 defeat at home to rivals is humiliating, but there were obviously some mitigating circumstances with a first half red card and 3 of the goals coming late on when the 10 men threw caution to the wind. Obviously they were largely outplayed as well but nowhere near as comprehensively as we were.
The 8-2 game wasn't just disgraceful, it was plain weird to watch. I knew we were in for a hiding but to me it wasn't just like one of those days where everything goes wrong - they were just embarrassingly superior to us physically and mentally, it didn't strike me as a fluke result. What made it even more strange was that I can't remember us ever creating so much at Old Trafford
Each to their own, I suppose.
Personally, if we'd lost 6-1 at home to Sp*rs (even in a battle for a virtual trophy), that would haunt me far more than losing 8-2 away at United.
Losing a local derby at home in that way would be unbearable!
By the way, not saying the 8-2 didn't hurt. I hated it! I'm sure we all did.
Tremendously impressed with the job Malky Mackay has done. Under Dave Jones they were consistent performers and imo he was unlucky to get the boot but Mackay made astute signings from day one and tactically is by and large spot on - they don't play great football but equally they're not complete hackers and haven't seen them embarrassed at all so far. All this with off-field turmoil too, expect him to get a chance next decent job that comes up.
LDB wrote:So is this more or less of a big deal then when we lost 8-2 at Utd? Margin of defeat is the same but at least we put the ball in the onion bag twice and had an injury list as long as your arm.
Freak results happen.
United also lost 6-1 AT OLD TRAFFORD to Man City - and Citeh went on to win the league.
These things happen from time to time. That Arsenal team that was humiliated 8-2 was there for the taking with a back 4 of Traore, Jenkinson and Djourou in it, as well as Coquelin, Ramsey (who was certainly not the player he has been this season!) and a fat Arshavin. And Theo, who is hardly a man to rely on when the chips are down.
So much is made of that result, but United's 6-1 at home to Citeh was worse in my opinion.
I don't think so. At the end of the day a 6-1 defeat at home to rivals is humiliating, but there were obviously some mitigating circumstances with a first half red card and 3 of the goals coming late on when the 10 men threw caution to the wind. Obviously they were largely outplayed as well but nowhere near as comprehensively as we were.
The 8-2 game wasn't just disgraceful, it was plain weird to watch. I knew we were in for a hiding but to me it wasn't just like one of those days where everything goes wrong - they were just embarrassingly superior to us physically and mentally, it didn't strike me as a fluke result. What made it even more strange was that I can't remember us ever creating so much at Old Trafford
This is beginning to sound like I'm defending the 8-2 debacle which obviously I don't want to do. But, if we're excusing tactics then you could also argue that the vast majority of those goals came after Wenger decided to replace Coquelin with the Ox. We were only 3-1 down on the hour mark but Wenger went chasing the game far too early and took off the only protection our makeshift back 4 had.
whilst its always funny to see the spuds get a real hiding, i'm not going to gloat much as i have the feeling that despite our much improved defensive record, city are well capable of putting 4 or 5 past us imho.
i think we can count out united in the title race, i just don't see them picking up points against city and the chavs - who are starting to look annoyingly consistent unfortunately.
the city an chelsea games have to be drawn at the minimum.
LDB wrote:So is this more or less of a big deal then when we lost 8-2 at Utd? Margin of defeat is the same but at least we put the ball in the onion bag twice and had an injury list as long as your arm.
Freak results happen.
United also lost 6-1 AT OLD TRAFFORD to Man City - and Citeh went on to win the league.
These things happen from time to time. That Arsenal team that was humiliated 8-2 was there for the taking with a back 4 of Traore, Jenkinson and Djourou in it, as well as Coquelin, Ramsey (who was certainly not the player he has been this season!) and a fat Arshavin. And Theo, who is hardly a man to rely on when the chips are down.
So much is made of that result, but United's 6-1 at home to Citeh was worse in my opinion.
I don't think so. At the end of the day a 6-1 defeat at home to rivals is humiliating, but there were obviously some mitigating circumstances with a first half red card and 3 of the goals coming late on when the 10 men threw caution to the wind. Obviously they were largely outplayed as well but nowhere near as comprehensively as we were.
The 8-2 game wasn't just disgraceful, it was plain weird to watch. I knew we were in for a hiding but to me it wasn't just like one of those days where everything goes wrong - they were just embarrassingly superior to us physically and mentally, it didn't strike me as a fluke result. What made it even more strange was that I can't remember us ever creating so much at Old Trafford
This is beginning to sound like I'm defending the 8-2 debacle which obviously I don't want to do. But, if we're excusing tactics then you could also argue that the vast majority of those goals came after Wenger decided to replace Coquelin with the Ox. We were only 3-1 down on the hour mark but Wenger went chasing the game far too early and took off the only protection our makeshift back 4 had.
Can we just agree on the one thing please............that fucking banner was the most shameful fucking moment of the lot
LDB wrote:So is this more or less of a big deal then when we lost 8-2 at Utd? Margin of defeat is the same but at least we put the ball in the onion bag twice and had an injury list as long as your arm.
Freak results happen.
United also lost 6-1 AT OLD TRAFFORD to Man City - and Citeh went on to win the league.
These things happen from time to time. That Arsenal team that was humiliated 8-2 was there for the taking with a back 4 of Traore, Jenkinson and Djourou in it, as well as Coquelin, Ramsey (who was certainly not the player he has been this season!) and a fat Arshavin. And Theo, who is hardly a man to rely on when the chips are down.
So much is made of that result, but United's 6-1 at home to Citeh was worse in my opinion.
I don't think so. At the end of the day a 6-1 defeat at home to rivals is humiliating, but there were obviously some mitigating circumstances with a first half red card and 3 of the goals coming late on when the 10 men threw caution to the wind. Obviously they were largely outplayed as well but nowhere near as comprehensively as we were.
The 8-2 game wasn't just disgraceful, it was plain weird to watch. I knew we were in for a hiding but to me it wasn't just like one of those days where everything goes wrong - they were just embarrassingly superior to us physically and mentally, it didn't strike me as a fluke result. What made it even more strange was that I can't remember us ever creating so much at Old Trafford
This is beginning to sound like I'm defending the 8-2 debacle which obviously I don't want to do. But, if we're excusing tactics then you could also argue that the vast majority of those goals came after Wenger decided to replace Coquelin with the Ox. We were only 3-1 down on the hour mark but Wenger went chasing the game far too early and took off the only protection our makeshift back 4 had.
Valid point (although I wasn't 'excusing' tactics, just explaining the differences between the games as I see them). Speaking in broad terms it seemed like United could have scored whenever they felt like it in the second half. I didn't watch the United-City game because I was at the Stoke game but from watching extended highlights and reading analysis and reaction it seemed like United still kept a superb City on their toes for about 85 minutes despite being down to 10 men before a farcical ending. Certainly not like the demolition at Old Trafford where they completely embarrassed all of our back 4 for the entire game and the rest of the players just ran around not getting a foothold in the game.
I think the 6-0 is a more galling defeat for them as they had a full team out and that will take some recovering from
The 8-2 was an almighty embarrassment for a different reason i.e. that the Self Harmer had yet again failed miserably in the transfer window all Summer and sent us to OT completely undercooked. Watching poor old Jenkinson, Traore, Djourou etc get absolutely rammed was a complete fucking embarrassment and one that should never have been allowed to happen. Lansbury was another thrown to the wolves during that shambolic second half.
SteveO 35 wrote:I think the 6-0 is a more galling defeat for them as they had a full team out and that will take some recovering from
The 8-2 was an almighty embarrassment for a different reason i.e. that the Self Harmer had yet again failed miserably in the transfer window all Summer and sent us to OT completely undercooked. Watching poor old Jenkinson, Traore, Djourou etc get absolutely rammed was a complete fucking embarrassment and one that should never have been allowed to happen. Lansbury was another thrown to the wolves during that shambolic second half.
And one last time.......
Who knew Fabregas four years ago eh? Certainly not me. Who was that bloke who masterminded one of our best CL away performances in the San Siro in 08? Anyone?
clockender1 wrote:another weekend of good results for us.
whilst its always funny to see the spuds get a real hiding, i'm not going to gloat much as i have the feeling that despite our much improved defensive record, city are well capable of putting 4 or 5 past us imho.
i think we can count out united in the title race, i just don't see them picking up points against city and the chavs - who are starting to look annoyingly consistent unfortunately.
the city an chelsea games have to be drawn at the minimum.
Really? Last few games both have dropped points unexpectedly.
Flicked on MOTD2, for once analysis didn't seem moronic. Schmeichel pointed out that for first two goals Lloris hacked ball clear instead of taking a touch when he had time, and Shearer highlighted that Spurs' two wingers coming infield and Soldado dropping deep to get on the ball meant they had 4 AMCs and no width or striker.
How the fuck has Rooney not got a red card? Anybody who scoffs at the suggestion United don't get favourable reffing decisions needs to be forced to watch that on repeat because any other player away from home would have been straight off. Even worse is ref bottled it completely and booked him so even though he aims a full kick at the bloke miles away from the ball he won't be banned. Shit result for United though, especially leading twice they'll be gutted to interrupt their winning run.
Watching the Palace highlights on MOTD2 and just realized Cameron Jerome now plays for Palace, was one of the players who slagged off Tony Pulis after he left Stoke.
northbank123 wrote:Flicked on MOTD2, for once analysis didn't seem moronic. Schmeichel pointed out that for first two goals Lloris hacked ball clear instead of taking a touch when he had time, and Shearer highlighted that Spurs' two wingers coming infield and Soldado dropping deep to get on the ball meant they had 4 AMCs and no width or striker.
How the fuck has Rooney not got a red card? Anybody who scoffs at the suggestion United don't get favourable reffing decisions needs to be forced to watch that on repeat because any other player away from home would have been straight off. Even worse is ref bottled it completely and booked him so even though he aims a full kick at the bloke miles away from the ball he won't be banned. Shit result for United though, especially leading twice they'll be gutted to interrupt their winning run.
I know the FA have changed some of the rules now with regard to retrospective action... see link below. Whether or not this would be applicable in shreks case I don't know, I wouldn't like to comment myself as I didn't see the incident...
A bit like the ref then eh! http://www.thefa.com/News/governance/20 ... ction.aspx
- and Citeh went on to win the league.
