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[mcdowell42]

Szczesny, Gibbs, Koscielny, BFG, Sagna, Arteta, Rosicky, Ozil, Cazorla, Gnabry, Giroud.

Arteta is suspended for this game

[QuartzGooner]

If I was boss, but I think Cazorla will start.


---------------Szczesny----------

Sagna -- Mertesacker-----Koscielny---Gibbs

--------Oxlade-Chamberlain------Flamini----

Rosicky----------Ozil--------Podolski----

---------------Giroud--------

Bench: Fabianski, Jenkinson, Monreal, Wilshere, Gnabry, Cazorla, Bendtner,

[Herd]

You cannot habve Ozil Wilshere and Carzola in the same team against a pressing pacy oppo,the are way to lazy to track back .
When the other team gets the ball and breaks ,Jack skips back like Denilson,Ozil doesn't track back and neither does Carzola . For me its arteta and flamini, rosicky in the middle ozil left and the OX on the right with Pod up front but I don't think its going to happen even though Girouds head appears to be fooked !

[QuartzGooner]

For me its arteta and flamini

Arteta is suspended.

[DB10GOONER]

This is what I don't understand augie: You should want us to win REGARDLESS!!

In fairness, I think (and I do mean THINK ) that he does want us to win (maybe? ) but if we do - as expected - get knocked out, he would rather the first leg was a massive defeat so the second leg is irrelevant... thus making the Everton FA Cup game more important in Wenger's eyes and er... yeahhhh... I think I get it

I think a flow chart would help explain it

Thank fcuk that somebody around here can actually read a fcuking post properly........I never said that I didn't want us to win but what I actually said is that IF we are going to be knocked out by Bayern then I prefer that it is done and dusted tomorrow night so that it wouldn't interfere with the fa cup game.

It seems that too many people prefer to pre judge a post without reading it properly if the poster is a fat bald sister-marrying, goat-molesting, uncle-fucking culchie in-breed.

Fixed that for ya, augs!

[northbank123]

Guess it will be Flamini then! Needs to show a lot more on the ball than normal, although it's not usually an essential part of his job description we're just not going to keep or use the ball sufficiently tonight if he's spraying passes all over the shop or hacking it anywhere.

[Herd]

Arteta is suspended.

Bummer then its TV in front of Kos and BFG !

[DB10GOONER]

Guess it will be Flamini then! Needs to show a lot more on the ball than normal, although it's not usually an essential part of his job description we're just not going to keep or use the ball sufficiently tonight if he's spraying passes all over the shop or hacking it anywhere.

Y'know, I was one of those that wasn't overly against us re-signing Flamoney as I felt he could add something to our often soft centre that Arteta (for all his good instincts, ability, positioning and intelligence) couldn't add - real steel. I still think he does that job relatively to very well, on occasion.

But the more I watch Flamoney the more I'm convinced he is going to cost us big in a huge game. He is far too often just a headless chicken with no self control or discipline. Yeah - I'm all for having a hard tackling energetic committed player adding steel in the middle, but I'm also all for that player having a fully functioning brain and knowing when it's ok to launch in with a tackle and when it's better not to go flying in. Mark my words peeps, Flamoney is going to fuck the pooch sooner or later through an unforced unecessary piece of stupidity disguised as being "committed".

[arseofacrow]

To be fair, Arteta wouldve been useful tonight. But in the league games, Flamini's the choice.

DB10 - We need Flamini. We need his character and spirit. More than we need Arteta, who's ten a penny in the game today. With that, we have to unfortunately accept some of Flamini's excesses.

We could do better than both of them, and should. But lining them up now,Flaminin is no doubt more essential to the the team than Arteta, who's been looking like a liability for a few months.

It does a little disservice to those who value Flamini's contribution to dismiss them as been fooled by his running around like a headless chicken. I think we're more than capapble of making rational judgements and comparisons.

Finally. I have no agenda relating to Flamini or Arteta. I harbour no grudge against Flamini over his departure. And with Arteta, I've liked his style over the years. But I think you could get 10 or20 of his type, no problem. But we should have properly invested in more players of the calibre we know it takes.

[DB10GOONER]

To be fair, Arteta wouldve been useful tonight. But in the league games, Flamini's the choice.

DB10 - We need Flamini. We need his character and spirit. More than we need Arteta, who's ten a penny in the game today. With that, we have to unfortunately accept some of Flamini's excesses.

We could do better than both of them, and should. But lining them up now,Flaminin is no doubt more essential to the the team than Arteta, who's been looking like a liability for a few months.

It does a little disservice to those who value Flamini's contribution to dismiss them as been fooled by his running around like a headless chicken. I think we're more than capapble of making rational judgements and comparisons.

Finally. I have no agenda relating to Flamini or Arteta. I harbour no grudge against Flamini over his departure. And with Arteta, I've liked his style over the years. But I think you could get 10 or20 of his type, no problem. But we should have properly invested in more players of the calibre we know it takes.

Did you actually read my post, mate?

[Theoperator]

There was quite a contrast between the matches when Flam. was suspended and when he was playing, cant help feeling he would have inspired more than a limp 0-0 V Manure.

So he has possibly already cost us this season, but IMHO its the passion that he plays with that adds so much to the team- someone with less passion may be less risky but less influential as well

[LDB]

Brilliant augie. You want us to get "fucked over beyond belief" and expect that our players will just get over it like fuck all happened, it will have zero negative effect on them mentally, and they'll just be able to move on and do the business in the other competitions. Just brilliant.

Nail on the head.

Momentum is everything and expecting the players to just skip from one game/competition to the next as if nothing happened is daft. I actually thought we did quite well to come back and keep a clean sheet after the game at Anfield. If we get absolutely battered tonight then Sunderland is not going to be an enjoyable 90 minutes.

[augie]

Oh I read your post properly augie, don't worry about that and the question I would ask is what do you consider getting "fucked over beyond relief"? Is it a defeat by loads of goals? And if so, how - as someone else has already pointed out - would that help the teams/squads confidence in the forthcoming games, including the Everton match? And how much of a beating would suffice? After all we took a bit of a wallop last season when getting beat 3-1 yet even though everyone said the tie was over, he still played a strong team and we came quite close to getting through.

Last season's away game v bayern was a very different set of circumstances to what we have this season - last year we had been knocked out of the fa cup by the mighty blackburn (cash resources and all that ) before the first leg so we had absolutely nothing to lose heading out to germany.

This season we have a real genuine chance of winning the fa cup and I really mean that - my biggest concern re the fa cup isnt the opposition but is actually complacency. We are a good but not great team and are certainly well capable of beating everton if we both play our strongest 11 but how many of you would bet on our second team (or at least half a first team) beating everton's first team ? How confident would we be with flaps, jenkinson and wake me up in our team ? The fa cup should 100% absolutely be our number 1 priority this season and to chuck that away for a champs league that we have no hope of winning would be insanity. I for one would hope that le cock knows before that everton game, that beating them is his best chance of winning a trophy and puts out his strongest available team as a result - if it requires a heaving beating tonight for him to realise that then I am quite comfortable with that scenario and I'm sure a couple of wins against the mackems and stoke will bring back the confidence of our mentally fragile darlings

[Gunner Rob]

to be honest we could do without this game tonight

it is a pointless exercise apart from making the club money which they won't reinvest in the team anyway.
I would much rather go to the FA Cup Q Final than tonight (which I will do) The bonus is that the FA Cup match is cheaper to go to!

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

Oh I read your post properly augie, don't worry about that and the question I would ask is what do you consider getting "fucked over beyond relief"? Is it a defeat by loads of goals? And if so, how - as someone else has already pointed out - would that help the teams/squads confidence in the forthcoming games, including the Everton match? And how much of a beating would suffice? After all we took a bit of a wallop last season when getting beat 3-1 yet even though everyone said the tie was over, he still played a strong team and we came quite close to getting through.

Last season's away game v bayern was a very different set of circumstances to what we have this season - last year we had been knocked out of the fa cup by the mighty blackburn (cash resources and all that ) before the first leg so we had absolutely nothing to lose heading out to germany.

This season we have a real genuine chance of winning the fa cup and I really mean that - my biggest concern re the fa cup isnt the opposition but is actually complacency. We are a good but not great team and are certainly well capable of beating everton if we both play our strongest 11 but how many of you would bet on our second team (or at least half a first team) beating everton's first team ? How confident would we be with flaps, jenkinson and wake me up in our team ? The fa cup should 100% absolutely be our number 1 priority this season and to chuck that away for a champs league that we have no hope of winning would be insanity. I for one would hope that le cock knows before that everton game, that beating them is his best chance of winning a trophy and puts out his strongest available team as a result - if it requires a heaving beating tonight for him to realise that then I am quite comfortable with that scenario and I'm sure a couple of wins against the mackems and stoke will bring back the confidence of our mentally fragile darlings

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