OFFICAL SUNDERLAND THREAD

Cockerill's chin · Post by **Cockerill's chin** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:05 pm

I get the feeling AW's been studying Keegan

augie · Post by **augie** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:05 pm

I'd also like to add that greedybayors contribution today was an embarrassment to the club

To my mind he hid from the 1st minute to the last. Why if you are playing a 5 man midfield with 1 striker up front would you want/allow your striker to keep dropping back into midfield to link up play when it is already more crowded that a fcuking tube train in rush hour

dvbrisgooner1 · Post by **dvbrisgooner1** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:06 pm

Cockerill's chin wrote:I hope AW doesn't come out with any shit that the kids will have learnt from this.

No, he'll tell us they "played with great spirit to the end and great solidarity."

After that we'll be told they were a little tired after their tough Champions League encounter in the week - hence the numerous changes from the squad that he has so much faith in - so much faith that he won't give any of them a fucking game.

augie · Post by **augie** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:10 pm

NBM wrote:Why is every goal against us a fucking wondergoal at the moment??!?!!?

I'd like to see the goal again but I am always suspicous of these "wonder goals" when it appears at first glance that your keeper does a tv style dive and tries to save it with his right hand instead of his much closer left hand

Maybe I am over-critical here but it dont look right to me

RaM · Post by **RaM** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:10 pm

I think 1-1 flattered us a wee bit to be honest. Sunderland were probably ther better team.

Really thought we had it lost, and as the commentator said, last time we lost 3/7 at the start of the season was 1994 - we finished 12th.

Post by **g88ner** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:16 pm

I'm not as disapppointed as I thought I would be, to be honest.

I guess I already knew that winning the title was never going to happen with this squad, so I suppose, in the context of getting a top four finish (which must be the aim) a point at Sunderland isn't a terrible result, I suppose.

I'm far from happy... and the decision Wenger made in not spending the money available, looks more and more foolish every week, but never mind... that's in the past now. All we can do is support the team, and maybe, one day they'll be ready to make a title challenge again.

tinpot lane · Post by **tinpot lane** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:19 pm

g88ner wrote:I'm not as disapppointed as I thought I would be, to be honest.

I guess I already knew that winning the title was never going to happen with this squad, so I suppose, in the context of getting a top four finish (which must be the aim) a point at Sunderland isn't a terrible result, I suppose.

I'm far from happy... and the decision Wenger made in not spending the money available, looks more and more foolish every week, but never mind... that's in the past now. All we can do is support the team, and maybe, one day they'll be ready to make a title challenge again.

Best poster on this forum imo

augie · Post by **augie** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:24 pm

g88ner wrote:I'm not as disapppointed as I thought I would be, to be honest.

I guess I already knew that winning the title was never going to happen with this squad, so I suppose, in the context of getting a top four finish (which must be the aim) a point at Sunderland isn't a terrible result, I suppose.

I'm far from happy... and the decision Wenger made in not spending the money available, looks more and more foolish every week, but never mind... that's in the past now. All we can do is support the team, and maybe, one day they'll be ready to make a title challenge again.

I agree with you that winning the title was never going to happen and that a top four finish has to be the priority. However I do not agree with the last line of your post if you are saying that 1 day this team will be ready to make a title challenge again. Football and its teams are constantly evolving nowadays and the likes of cesc and gallas will be long gone before most of this team will be ready

Moon River · Post by **Moon River** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:25 pm

I'm guessing Wenger will be spurting out the same old crap of how we showed great character or desire or commitment to get the equaliser

I'm not surprised with Adebayor's poor showing, terrible again today, clearly a one season wonder, all this nonsense he came out with about his awesome partnership with RVP just doesn't cut it for me.

donaldo · Post by **donaldo** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:31 pm

THE TRUTH IS AND A LOT OF US REALISTS SAID SO IN THE SUMMER.THIS TEAM IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.IT WASNT LAST SEASON WHEN WE HAD A BETTER SQUAD.

WHAT WAS WENGER DOING PLAYING RVP ON THE WING FFS

GREEDY HAS PLAYED 7 LEAGUE GAMES AND HAS ONLY SCORED IN ONE.WELL WORTH HIS DOUBLE HIS MONEY WAGE RISE

Perryashburtongroves · Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:33 pm

I swear to God that Wenger is on the verge of a breakdown. The bloke seems unable to spot our frailities and seems to be watching other games when he asked to assess our performances- I know that he's always had a problem with his eyesight but this is now getting ridiculous.
I'm fed up with his moaning and groaning about the direction football is taking and to be honest, he appears at times, to be more interested in the comings and goings of Man City, Chavsea and Manure than he does in Arsenal football club. Surely he needs to wake up and accept that foreigners own football clubs and that this is the way the game has gone.

We are in a poor position at the moment, not getting points from games that we should be comfortably winning, not able to compete with the spending power of other clubs, not willing to pay higher wages to keep big name players and holding on to his belief that youngsters will win Premership titles. It's time he got his head out of the sand, started seeing the faults that this team have and put his hands up and accpet that he has significantly weakened Arsenal in recent years by not investing in new players to enable us to challenge fot the top honours.

Wenger may not be to blame, the board may hold the purse strings in the market place but the buck stops with him when it comes to tactics and selection. If he does want to win things with younger players, I'm sure there's a palce for him as an U21 boss somewhere.Right now,Arsenal football club need a boot up the backside on all fronts and I'm starting to see too much of George Graham's last days in Wenger's current style. George couldn't adapt to mid 90s football, the money and the player power. Wenger can't seem to adapt to late 200s football. Is it time not for an ultimatum: either we win something soon or Wenger 'retires?'

Post by **g88ner** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:39 pm

augie wrote:I agree with you that winning the title was never going to happen and that a top four finish has to be the priority. However I do not agree with the last line of your post if you are saying that 1 day this team will be ready to make a title challenge again. Football and its teams are constantly evolving nowadays and the likes of cesc and gallas will be long gone before most of this team will be ready

Yeah, fair enough.

Obviously, players will need to be signed, and players like Cesc will need to be kept hold of, but I can't predict what will happen over next summer, so all I can do is support them and hope we improve.

I think Wenger had a great opportunity to make us title contenders this season, but he kept his cash in his pocket...so that opportunity slipped away, unfortunately.

One guarantee is that Man City will spend big and could just turn a top 4 into a top 5... and with our current policy, that's a worry. And that's before you take into account an improving Villa... and surely, one day, Sp*rs.

I'm frustrated, but in reality, I think most of us expected this really.

Post by **g88ner** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 5:05 pm

augie wrote:
NBM wrote:Why is every goal against us a fucking wondergoal at the moment??!?!!?
I'd like to see the goal again but I am always suspicous of these "wonder goals" when it appears at first glance that your keeper does a tv style dive and tries to save it with his right hand instead of his much closer left hand Maybe I am over-critical here but it dont look right to me

Not sure Almunia could have done much, to be honest.

If I'm not mistaken, it was Alex Song who was caught on the ball on the edge of the 18 yard box.. and the Sunderland player, having taken the ball off Song, then shot and scored the goal... so I suspect Song was the man at fault.

But, young players make mistakes, so I feel harsh laying blame on a 19yr old kid... but when you have a squad as young as ours, that's going to be a recurring theme, I'm afraid.

tinpot lane · Post by **tinpot lane** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 5:09 pm

We had a perfectly good goal disallowed

But United score from an obvious foul

Post by **REB** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:03 pm

watched the game today and it was shite, the 10min highlights on motd will no doubt make us look better then we were, yes we had a couple of chances but that was it, midfield was rubbish , defefence looked shaky and our forward line was pure and proper shite