OZIL - Merged Thread

[mcdowell42]

Emery press conference, Ozil in the squad for tomorrows game

[Perryashburtongroves]

The only way a manager wins this type of war is if he is popular with the fans and wins things. Neither of those are relevant here, so Emery needs to find a way to manage Ozil properly. I think the fact that the player has reacted so badly to having Emery at the club tells us more about the manager's methods and abilities than Ozil's mentality.

Let's be honest here and acknowledge that the fans were questioning ozil's mentality long before emery arrived, but le French cock allowed it to go on. It is convenient right now for the emery bashers to put this on him and call for ozil's return, but I will stake my bollox that it wouldn't take many games for those very same fans to start pelting down abuse at ozil as he shows the same performances as he has delivered in recent years

I think there is a fundamental problem with the management of Ozil at a whole-club level and he hasn't helped himself at all, it must be said. I think when a manager is under-fire and not picking a player like Ozil, then questions will be asked and it adds more weight to a particular point of view. That this matter is also running alongside the Xhaka debacle doesn't help anyone and only serves to cause further tension. That Ozil isn't playing and Xhaka is captain and telling the fans to fuck off, means that every single game, Ozil becomes a better and better player.

[Clash]

There is an interesting quote floating about:

"I Think the biggest problem down there is that they are not doing the obvious things correctly like they’re not playing the correct players in the correct positions...they’re not starting their best players, players like Lucas Torreira who I personally feel was one of the best players in the last World Cup and also for Arsenal playing as the base defensive midfielder, I really don’t understand this situation and also Özil...you have to understand that Mesut is not Messi or Ronaldo, he won’t carry your team single handed, he’s more of a creative genius and a creative genius is only as good as the attack in front of him, all these years at Arsenal he did not have the right players in front of him and now when he does, for some reason he is omitted entirely, people say he is lazy but they can’t be more wrong, Özil works very hard and the football for him it’s not a job like most of the players these days, football is his life, he enjoys football ...

In England I have got the idea that people here will prefer guys who can run and run and run for 90 minutes, so even when those guys have a bad game people will say oh atleast he gave it his all, people in England don’t welcome smart runners and Özil is a smart runner...so I think people in England will take a runner over a creative genius.[On what would be Arsenal's best xi] I’d say Leno, Bellerin, Holding, David Luiz, Tierney, Lucas Torreira, Ceballos, Özil, Pepe, Aubameyang, Lacazette. “Why no Guendouzi?” Guendouzi is a fantastic talent but in my career I’ve seen time and time again youngsters with immense talent do nothing because they started starting regularly for their clubs and their desire to improve went with that, they became stale , I don’t want Guendouzi to end up like that, he has leadership qualities as well...I will like to say one thing that Arsenal on paper have one one of the best attacks in the league but are suffering from a lack of creativity"

I've heard its being attributed to Mourinho. Personally I am not convinced its him but whoever said it, it's hard to argue with a lot of it!

[Nos89]

Ozil proved his point tonight. Had a foot in all four goals scored whilst on the pitch, either assist or the pre-assist. He can't control what goes on behind him, that's down to the manager organising a midfield and defence.

[Nos89]

There is an interesting quote floating about:

"I Think the biggest problem down there is that they are not doing the obvious things correctly like they’re not playing the correct players in the correct positions...they’re not starting their best players, players like Lucas Torreira who I personally feel was one of the best players in the last World Cup and also for Arsenal playing as the base defensive midfielder, I really don’t understand this situation and also Özil...you have to understand that Mesut is not Messi or Ronaldo, he won’t carry your team single handed, he’s more of a creative genius and a creative genius is only as good as the attack in front of him, all these years at Arsenal he did not have the right players in front of him and now when he does, for some reason he is omitted entirely, people say he is lazy but they can’t be more wrong, Özil works very hard and the football for him it’s not a job like most of the players these days, football is his life, he enjoys football ...

In England I have got the idea that people here will prefer guys who can run and run and run for 90 minutes, so even when those guys have a bad game people will say oh atleast he gave it his all, people in England don’t welcome smart runners and Özil is a smart runner...so I think people in England will take a runner over a creative genius.[On what would be Arsenal's best xi] I’d say Leno, Bellerin, Holding, David Luiz, Tierney, Lucas Torreira, Ceballos, Özil, Pepe, Aubameyang, Lacazette. “Why no Guendouzi?” Guendouzi is a fantastic talent but in my career I’ve seen time and time again youngsters with immense talent do nothing because they started starting regularly for their clubs and their desire to improve went with that, they became stale , I don’t want Guendouzi to end up like that, he has leadership qualities as well...I will like to say one thing that Arsenal on paper have one one of the best attacks in the league but are suffering from a lack of creativity"

I've heard its being attributed to Mourinho. Personally I am not convinced its him but whoever said it, it's hard to argue with a lot of it!

That's mourinho's cover letter to the Arsenal board. I'd have him in tomorrow.

[DB10GOONER]

Hilariously the agenda on here still rolls on. People that literally cannot bring themselves to praise him after a sublime performance like last night need to take a long hard look in the mirror.

No he's not the best player in the world. No he's not worth 350k a week. But he is still our best player and our only truly creative player.

Having said that though tbh he is not delivering enough for that 350k a week. Of course it is impossible to deliver anything when your idiot manager does not play you.

[augie]

Ozil proved his point tonight. Had a foot in all four goals scored whilst on the pitch, either assist or the pre-assist. He can't control what goes on behind him, that's down to the manager organising a midfield and defence.

No, no he hasn't ffs

Ozil wasnt dropped on the back of one performance and nor does he prove his point on the back of one performance - wtf goes on in people's head with this knee jerk reaction shit ? Ozil's qualities have never been in dispute ………… his consistency of contributions has. Some fans like DB10 have been consistently in ozil's corner (albeit not on his wages issue) and I understand that, but there are so many fools now who are using ozil as another reason to bash emery on (as if another reason is needed ) even though many of those fans who calling for his dropping and sale just a few months ago
Speculation I know, but I suspect that last nights performance from ozil was born from a strong desire to stick 2 fingers up at emery and heap more pressure on him too - I suspect if emery was gone in the morning it wouldn't take ozil long to drift back into the same passenger we have tried to carry for the past few seasons, and this team is not good enough to carry any passengers.

[Jock Gooner]

Hilariously the agenda on here still rolls on. People that literally cannot bring themselves to praise him after a sublime performance like last night need to take a long hard look in the mirror.

No he's not the best player in the world. No he's not worth 350k a week. But he is still our best player and our only truly creative player.

Having said that though tbh he is not delivering enough for that 350k a week. Of course it is impossible to deliver anything when your idiot manager does not play you.

The back heel for the goal was pure fu.cking genius as anybody else would have smashed it into the side netting. Real quality

As much as he frustrates the sh.it out of me and as much as his wages irk me he is still our most creative and able midfielder. One performance does not make up for many disappointing ones but sometimes you have to give credit where it's due.

I find Ozil a complete mind fu.ck because if we could get him doing it then he's a player but when he's a pedestrian he's as infuriating as fu.ck. There's a bit of me which blames Emery for not shaping a team that could accomodate Ozil but then reality strikes and you have to accept that we just don't have the players to make Ozil work and perhaps Dick is just not prepared to take the gamble. Pepe might well come good and I know we haven't paid out in full for him but a cheaper winger would have allowed money for a proper midfielder or two. I would quite happily have sold Torreira as part of that in order to raise further funds to buy a proper DM. But then I don't know if I trust Sanllehi & co to spend wisely

[DB10GOONER]

Hilariously the agenda on here still rolls on. People that literally cannot bring themselves to praise him after a sublime performance like last night need to take a long hard look in the mirror.

No he's not the best player in the world. No he's not worth 350k a week. But he is still our best player and our only truly creative player.

Having said that though tbh he is not delivering enough for that 350k a week. Of course it is impossible to deliver anything when your idiot manager does not play you.

The back heel for the goal was pure fu.cking genius as anybody else would have smashed it into the side netting. Real quality

As much as he frustrates the sh.it out of me and as much as his wages irk me he is still our most creative and able midfielder. One performance does not make up for many disappointing ones but sometimes you have to give credit where it's due.

I find Ozil a complete mind fu.ck because if we could get him doing it then he's a player but when he's a pedestrian he's as infuriating as fu.ck. There's a bit of me which blames Emery for not shaping a team that could accomodate Ozil but then reality strikes and you have to accept that we just don't have the players to make Ozil work and perhaps Dick is just not prepared to take the gamble. Pepe might well come good and I know we haven't paid out in full for him but a cheaper winger would have allowed money for a proper midfielder or two. I would quite happily have sold Torreira as part of that in order to raise further funds to buy a proper DM. But then I don't know if I trust Sanllehi & co to spend wisely

Agreed we don't and probably never will have the quality of players required to fully compliment Ozil's limited contribution. He won't score 10 to 15 goals a season and he won't dictate the pace of the game box to box so he needs those players around him and to get the best from him they'd have to be top quality. He creates openings and chances and with a top striker he creates assists but not much else really.

It's the point I was making last week about the similarity to the Fabregas situation. He was a top player but the players around the chav rat were not good enough to get the best out of him and win major trophies.

[augie]

Be interested to hear how the ozil brigade feel he did today ? Personally I felt that he done 3 or 4 nice things, but is that enough to justify 95 minutes on the pitch ? He was a million times better than Ceballos today, but Ceballos was dogshite

[DB10GOONER]

Be interested to hear how the ozil brigade feel he did today ? Personally I felt that he done 3 or 4 nice things, but is that enough to justify 95 minutes on the pitch ? He was a million times better than Ceballos today, but Ceballos was dogshite

The "Ozil brigade"? Ffs no offence but augie that is so childish. You sound like you want him to fail. You sound like you take it personally because you don't like his body language. I'm probably overstating that but that's how it reads tbh.

I thought for a player that hasn't played regularly in the PL for months he did well. Most of what we did well went through him. Can't fairly judge if he is still any use to us until he's had a run of games to get up to speed. Which he probably won't get, due to Dick not having much of a scooby how to get the best from his players.

There were at least 3 maybe 4 players that were rubbish and contributed less than Ozil did.

[augie]

Be interested to hear how the ozil brigade feel he did today ? Personally I felt that he done 3 or 4 nice things, but is that enough to justify 95 minutes on the pitch ? He was a million times better than Ceballos today, but Ceballos was dogshite

The "Ozil brigade"? Ffs no offence but augie that is so childish. You sound like you want him to fail. You sound like you take it personally because you don't like his body language. I'm probably overstating that but that's how it reads tbh.

I thought for a player that hasn't played regularly in the PL for months he did well. Most of what we did well went through him. Can't fairly judge if he is still any use to us until he's had a run of games to get up to speed. Which he probably won't get, due to Dick not having much of a scooby how to get the best from his players.

There were at least 3 maybe 4 players that were rubbish and contributed less than Ozil did.

Don't want him to fail in the same way that I don't want emery to fail, but I have accepted now that both should go and it would be better for all concerned if it was sooner rather than later - I honestly feel that both are a negative distraction at a time where we need to focus on problems and what/who is going to serve us best in the future.
I defended ozil on here much longer than most on the basis that he had donkeys in front and alongside him that would handicap the best players in the world, however I would say that for the last couple of years he has had quality strikers in front of him and if anything his contributions have declined

[DB10GOONER]

Be interested to hear how the ozil brigade feel he did today ? Personally I felt that he done 3 or 4 nice things, but is that enough to justify 95 minutes on the pitch ? He was a million times better than Ceballos today, but Ceballos was dogshite

The "Ozil brigade"? Ffs no offence but augie that is so childish. You sound like you want him to fail. You sound like you take it personally because you don't like his body language. I'm probably overstating that but that's how it reads tbh.

I thought for a player that hasn't played regularly in the PL for months he did well. Most of what we did well went through him. Can't fairly judge if he is still any use to us until he's had a run of games to get up to speed. Which he probably won't get, due to Dick not having much of a scooby how to get the best from his players.

There were at least 3 maybe 4 players that were rubbish and contributed less than Ozil did.

Don't want him to fail in the same way that I don't want emery to fail, but I have accepted now that both should go and it would be better for all concerned if it was sooner rather than later - I honestly feel that both are a negative distraction at a time where we need to focus on problems and what/who is going to serve us best in the future.
I defended ozil on here much longer than most on the basis that he had donkeys in front and alongside him that would handicap the best players in the world, however I would say that for the last couple of years he has had quality strikers in front of him and if anything his contributions have declined

Fair points. I would say though that he has also played less games and been subbed a lot more in the last couple years - but he is certainly not the player he was in 2014 for example.

But either way I agree both Dick and Ozil need to be moved on. Even if we do get a new manager I'd doubt if he could squeeze enough out of Ozil in the twilight of his career to justify that ludicrous salary.

[Retro Gunner]

It's all been said before on here about Ozil. If anyone ever summed up the term "luxury player", then it's him. Few have his technical ability and he sees and does things that others can't. However, for 85% of the time, he's a passenger and that's hard to tolerate in a team full of quality players, let alone our shower. Absolutely frustrating bloke, who I'd get rid of tomorrow if we could. Shows once in a blue moon and almost never in the "big" games.

He needs others doing the work and others making the right decisions in front of him. I had no idea about him when he played in Germany, but had the opinion I still have, when he was at RM, or playing for Germany. At least then, he had the quality around him that could maximise his ability.

For what it's worth, given that he's probably going nowhere until his deal is up, I might try him as a proper number 10, centrally behind Laca, with Auba and Pepe or Martinelli out wide and Guendouzi and Torreira in centre mid. Imo, playing Ozil out wide is a waste of his ability and effectiveness.

[DB10GOONER]

He's a classic number 10. But then there is a school of thought in the modern game that the number 10 role is dead.

A thought held mostly by cùnts. The same type of cùnts that piss on 4-4-2 because "it's like so like dated and like stuff dude". Cùnts.