tells you why you haven't got your reply. you can have one from me if you like?QuartzGooner wrote:Better I leave you alone than respond to your baiting.
Chill out - we can't change things. What will be, will be.
Cute Pic as to his explanation I 'm sure the fact that he could honestly answer the question I kept asking him on his terms and in a way that supported his views was purely coincidental. It''s not like he's everdone that before or anything. Oh wait actually he's done that several times.xDAVEYx wrote:i think this:
tells you why you haven't got your reply. you can have one from me if you like?QuartzGooner wrote:Better I leave you alone than respond to your baiting.
I have to crash now but in case you've forgotten Quartz the question is "based on all your different explanations including that Mr. Wenger knew there was less funding available did the Board mis-lead supporters the past several years by implying more funds were available witth their "money is available to spend" claims all the way back to 2005 and 2006 . yes or no?"
Are you simply afraid to say anything that might paint the Board in a less-than-ideal light?
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USMartin does not let a discussion come to a natural conclusion, so threads just descend into repetition.
Most normal threads come to a natural conclusion and then drop down the Forum to page 2 and others take their place.
But USMartin uses cynical techniques to try and bait others to keep posting:
1- THE INSULT
By insulting you he hopes you will come back at him.
2 - THE DISTORTED PARAPHRASE
He will twist your words and then write something claiming others have said it.
Except they never said it.
So then one is forced to set the record straight, and keep the discussion going.
3 - THE OUT OF CONTEXT QUOTE
He will drag up a quote from a previous thread, and drop it in the new thread, out of context.
Once again, one is forced to set the record straight, and keep the discussion going.
4 - THE QUESTION
He will ask a question and demand an answer on his terms. It might be demanding a "Yes or No" answer even when a question has already been answered, or a simple demand to answer it again.
Then there are the ways he tries to attract people into his debate.
5 - THE SCARE TACTIC
He claims that the club are in big danger of descending into hell, because of lack of spending.
Possibly we will drop out of the top four, possibly not. But there is little to suggest a Liverpool like situation.
6 - THE CONSPIRACY
He will mention how the directors are all in league with each other to con the fans and force share prices up.
Despite our shares not being sold on the main stock exchange, and their value being intrinsincly linked to actual demand for people to buy them.
Those who are unaware of this share listing might get fooled into a notion of conspiracy.
7 - THE FILIBUSTER
Repetetive, lengthy posts on the same subject.
Some casual forum users may get fooled into thinking something really urgent is going on with the club, and that USMartin is a oracle of secret information, and qualified in high finance.
Yet the fact remains USMartin has never attended a board meeting, and is not privy to the minutes of board meetings.
So he knows nothing more than any of the rest of us.
8 - THE "I HAVE NOT HAD TIME TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT MY FEARS" EXCUSE
Despite lengthy reptitive posts on "The Board", spread over a number of Forums since 2005, USMartins sole actions have been a letter to the club, and an online petition.
No Youtube channel, No Facebook Campaign, No Myspace campaign, No Twitter account.
Does that tell you something about how disorganised this guy is in his protests?
All these reasons and more are why I will not answer him!!!!!!
Enter into a "discussion" with him at your peril, and sign away hours of your life.
Most normal threads come to a natural conclusion and then drop down the Forum to page 2 and others take their place.
But USMartin uses cynical techniques to try and bait others to keep posting:
1- THE INSULT
By insulting you he hopes you will come back at him.
2 - THE DISTORTED PARAPHRASE
He will twist your words and then write something claiming others have said it.
Except they never said it.
So then one is forced to set the record straight, and keep the discussion going.
3 - THE OUT OF CONTEXT QUOTE
He will drag up a quote from a previous thread, and drop it in the new thread, out of context.
Once again, one is forced to set the record straight, and keep the discussion going.
4 - THE QUESTION
He will ask a question and demand an answer on his terms. It might be demanding a "Yes or No" answer even when a question has already been answered, or a simple demand to answer it again.
Then there are the ways he tries to attract people into his debate.
5 - THE SCARE TACTIC
He claims that the club are in big danger of descending into hell, because of lack of spending.
Possibly we will drop out of the top four, possibly not. But there is little to suggest a Liverpool like situation.
6 - THE CONSPIRACY
He will mention how the directors are all in league with each other to con the fans and force share prices up.
Despite our shares not being sold on the main stock exchange, and their value being intrinsincly linked to actual demand for people to buy them.
Those who are unaware of this share listing might get fooled into a notion of conspiracy.
7 - THE FILIBUSTER
Repetetive, lengthy posts on the same subject.
Some casual forum users may get fooled into thinking something really urgent is going on with the club, and that USMartin is a oracle of secret information, and qualified in high finance.
Yet the fact remains USMartin has never attended a board meeting, and is not privy to the minutes of board meetings.
So he knows nothing more than any of the rest of us.
8 - THE "I HAVE NOT HAD TIME TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT MY FEARS" EXCUSE
Despite lengthy reptitive posts on "The Board", spread over a number of Forums since 2005, USMartins sole actions have been a letter to the club, and an online petition.
No Youtube channel, No Facebook Campaign, No Myspace campaign, No Twitter account.
Does that tell you something about how disorganised this guy is in his protests?
All these reasons and more are why I will not answer him!!!!!!
Enter into a "discussion" with him at your peril, and sign away hours of your life.
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Why don't you just answer the question - oh that's right you have to admit something abotu the Board you can''t.
I could give a toss about your opinion of me Quartz - because the fact is you're the one who can't be honest when it doesn't suit you and yourr views.
You're the one who dishoneestly conflates the Highbury re-development to confuse others who read your posts into thinking the re-development was as essential to our project as the new stadium
You're the one who omits critical distinctions between the re-develoment and the building of the east and west stands - like a 30-plus year difference in the projects's timescale, then says that's a mere technicality.
You're the one who says official Premier League reports on the Ahsley Cole Case using witness testimony and written transcripts are less reliable or objective than Arsenal blogs who write of "Cuntley Cole" and "Cashley Cole" despite your general mistrust of the media where Arsenal are concerned. I still struggle to figure out what lines you could be looking read between. Oh that's right that's not really what you''re doing.
And again you';re the one who's dead afraid and scared to answer any simple question that doesn't support your view about today's Arsenal; being no different then Herbert Chapman's Arsenal. You haven't answered the question once and you simply lack the intestinal fortitude and charater to do so I guess.
Which begs the question if you have no credibility whatsoever at this point that I can see why should I give a toss what you think about me? Is that really worth not answering one question because you don't like that answer? Did the Board mislead supporters about how much they were actually ready to spend from 2005 on? Yes or no?
I could give a toss about your opinion of me Quartz - because the fact is you're the one who can't be honest when it doesn't suit you and yourr views.
You're the one who dishoneestly conflates the Highbury re-development to confuse others who read your posts into thinking the re-development was as essential to our project as the new stadium
You're the one who omits critical distinctions between the re-develoment and the building of the east and west stands - like a 30-plus year difference in the projects's timescale, then says that's a mere technicality.
You're the one who says official Premier League reports on the Ahsley Cole Case using witness testimony and written transcripts are less reliable or objective than Arsenal blogs who write of "Cuntley Cole" and "Cashley Cole" despite your general mistrust of the media where Arsenal are concerned. I still struggle to figure out what lines you could be looking read between. Oh that's right that's not really what you''re doing.
And again you';re the one who's dead afraid and scared to answer any simple question that doesn't support your view about today's Arsenal; being no different then Herbert Chapman's Arsenal. You haven't answered the question once and you simply lack the intestinal fortitude and charater to do so I guess.
Which begs the question if you have no credibility whatsoever at this point that I can see why should I give a toss what you think about me? Is that really worth not answering one question because you don't like that answer? Did the Board mislead supporters about how much they were actually ready to spend from 2005 on? Yes or no?
Fixed your post so people can see the real answerQuartzGooner wrote: I cannot honestly say the Board did not mis-lead supporters about its financial ambitions or admit that I cant and those reasons are why I will not answer him!!!!!!
Be an adult and answer the question or just admit why you won't for once then feel free to shut up.
I've been polite long enough as you have willfully mis-led other Gooners repeatedly and insulted me and questioned my support for the club over and over because I call you on that instead of letting you get away with it.
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Were the last two post supposed to be tongue-in-cheek?USMartin wrote:Fixed your post so people can see the real answerQuartzGooner wrote: I cannot honestly say the Board did not mis-lead supporters about its financial ambitions or admit that I cant and those reasons are why I will not answer him!!!!!!
Be an adult and answer the question or just admit why you won't for once then feel free to shut up.
I've been polite long enough as you have willfully mis-led other Gooners repeatedly and insulted me and questioned my support for the club over and over because I call you on that instead of letting you get away with it.
Because you just got a full house on everything Quartz listed in his summary of you as a poster. And almost in the exact order he listed them.
They weren't tongue-and-cheek at all BBP, and if you believe he's got a full-house on me, that's fine. Anyone with a hint of objectivity knows otherwise.
The fact is this is typically Quartz - say anything in the Board's defence truth being irrelevant. Then repeat it over and over when challanged. Then pretend to answer questions by addressing everything but the question itself. Then when that doesn't work agree to disagree or walk away without answering those questions you can't answer honestly. Then when called on that turn it into a debate about the other person.
Anyone with the fortitude to read allthese exchanges has een this pattern I surely as I have because its real so that's good enough for me.
The fact is this is typically Quartz - say anything in the Board's defence truth being irrelevant. Then repeat it over and over when challanged. Then pretend to answer questions by addressing everything but the question itself. Then when that doesn't work agree to disagree or walk away without answering those questions you can't answer honestly. Then when called on that turn it into a debate about the other person.
Anyone with the fortitude to read allthese exchanges has een this pattern I surely as I have because its real so that's good enough for me.
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when did I say I don't want to do anything ? JUST STOP FUCKING BANGING ON ABOUT IT WE GET THE FUCKING MESSAGE JUST BECAUSE I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF YOU DOESN'T MEAN I'M PLEASED WITH THE BOARD SO STOP TWISTING MY WORDSUSMartin wrote:NIce - I guess loyal supporters don't want to do anything about the state of the club. They enjoy being disappointed constantly I guess.Henry Norris 1913 wrote:US Martin = troll
its painfully obvious , he's been posting the same fucking post for months
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That would be one fucking sad troll to spend so much time on so many posts.USMartin wrote:NIce - I guess loyal supporters don't want to do anything about the state of the club. They enjoy being disappointed constantly I guess.Henry Norris 1913 wrote:US Martin = troll
its painfully obvious , he's been posting the same fucking post for months
I have to disagree. Not a troll. Can we all just calm down FFS?
And when did I say I was a troll?. As out-fo-order as you seem to think my comment is - and may well be - I'd say you calling me a troll is no different.Henry Norris 1913 wrote:when did I say I don't want to do anything ? JUST STOP FUCKING BANGING ON ABOUT IT WE GET THE FUCKING MESSAGE JUST BECAUSE I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF YOU DOESN'T MEAN I'M PLEASED WITH THE BOARD SO STOP TWISTING MY WORDSUSMartin wrote:NIce - I guess loyal supporters don't want to do anything about the state of the club. They enjoy being disappointed constantly I guess.Henry Norris 1913 wrote:US Martin = troll
its painfully obvious , he's been posting the same fucking post for months
Just out of curiosity what would you like to do then?
Yeah this is getting a bit OTT just now.SWLGooner wrote:That would be one fucking sad troll to spend so much time on so many posts.USMartin wrote:NIce - I guess loyal supporters don't want to do anything about the state of the club. They enjoy being disappointed constantly I guess.Henry Norris 1913 wrote:US Martin = troll
its painfully obvious , he's been posting the same fucking post for months
I have to disagree. Not a troll. Can we all just calm down FFS?
I just wish Quartz could answer that one very simple straightforward question. Apparently he can't or won't.
