Apologise for Gallas? F*ck yes and whole lot more besides;
- Apologise that you appointed an individual not qualified to captain the Arsenal. We gave you the benefit of the doubt at the start of last season but Gallas let you and everyone else down. You had a chance to put things right this season and name a new captain. You did nothing. We are now paying the price.
- Apologise for not signing a centre back with aerial ability in the summer, clearly our achilles hill for the past 2/3 years. For me you through away our chances of silverware last season by failing to address this in January. Failing to act again in the summer was criminal.
- Apologise for failing to replace Flamini and equip us with the type of player required to compete in the Premier League.
- Apologise for allowing Diarra, Flamini, Hleb and Gilberto to leave and replace them with one signing of note in Nasri.
- Apologise for allowing a situation to develop where Diarra was left frustrated on the bench in favour of a player who you knew was out of contract in the summer. Surely you give Flamini an ultimatum?? "You are worth your place, sign a new deal you stay in the side. Don't sign and Diarra comes in". At least that way we keep one of them?!?!!?
- Apologise for allowing Gilberto to leave the club when we are now desperate for that type of player.
Arsene, I worship you for what you have done for our club. I want you to remain at the helm. But please, admit you are wrong, admit your project, stratedgy, philosophy (call it what you want) is not working. Swallow your pride, change things. Do not put us through another transfer window of inactivity with the standard lines; "We do not need new players, the improvement is within the squad" and the classic "There are no players available better than what I already have". If you genuinely believe that then you are deluded. Throw away your obsession with total football and building a team from scratch. It takes more than that. We don't need much but we do need something different.
As I type we are 2-0 down at Man City and heading for our 5th defeat of the season before the end of November. Do you still believe you are right?? Do you still believe you have made the right decisions?? Have you taken a glance at the league table??
This isn't a blip, this genuinely is a crisis. Time to act Arsene. Time to change.
Time to apologise Mr Wenger. Time to change.
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QuartzGooner
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I agree with the above, but in Wenger's defence:
1.) Gallas being captain was a wrong decision. No question, cannot argue much for it.
2.) Alex Fynn, a confidante of Wenger, said on the Radio two weeks ago that Wenger tried to sign two centre backs this summer, but the deals did not succeeed. It shows Wenger knew there was a problem and tried. When the deals failed, he believed no one else for sale was worth pursuing.
3.) The failure to replace Flamini, Diarra and Gilberto is a mystery. To try to win a league playing 4-4-2 with no quality defensive midfielder is bizarre.
4.) Diarra was a hothead who stirring it up in training, understandable why he was let go.
5.) Gilberto should have been made "Club Captain" if Gallas was "Team Captain". Gilberto was on the slide, but I reckon could have done another season.
That said, Wenger is good at letting players go at the right time, and only really has made a mistake in that regards with letting Pires go. Though if the board prevented him from offering a two year deal to Pires, the board must take the blame.
1.) Gallas being captain was a wrong decision. No question, cannot argue much for it.
2.) Alex Fynn, a confidante of Wenger, said on the Radio two weeks ago that Wenger tried to sign two centre backs this summer, but the deals did not succeeed. It shows Wenger knew there was a problem and tried. When the deals failed, he believed no one else for sale was worth pursuing.
3.) The failure to replace Flamini, Diarra and Gilberto is a mystery. To try to win a league playing 4-4-2 with no quality defensive midfielder is bizarre.
4.) Diarra was a hothead who stirring it up in training, understandable why he was let go.
5.) Gilberto should have been made "Club Captain" if Gallas was "Team Captain". Gilberto was on the slide, but I reckon could have done another season.
That said, Wenger is good at letting players go at the right time, and only really has made a mistake in that regards with letting Pires go. Though if the board prevented him from offering a two year deal to Pires, the board must take the blame.
Quartz I take your points, but it is a managers responsibility to have both an appropriate succession and contingency plan in place.
Flamini aside, I agree that in the main Arsene has released the right players at the right time. But failing to bring in adequate replacements is beyond belief. What was the logic in allowing Edu to leave during the same summer as Vieira, then compounded by getting no one in to fill the void? How do the club allow players such as Edu and Flamini to run down their contracts and leave for nothing?? How did we get into a position where we got zero for Wiltord having paid £12m for him?!? In short the strategy over the past 5 years has been short sighted and in my opinion been goverened by financial contraints that the Board will not admit to, i.e. reducing the wage bill. But the lost transfer fees from free transfer departures must now be approacjing £20m.
Surely you don't allow Gilberto to leave until you have signed a replacement for Flamini? Forget having a responsibility to Gilberto with regards to allowing him regular football at his age, as Arsene has been quoted as saying. Your first responsibility is to Arsenal and our supporters. Surely you don't sanction Senderos's loan to Milan until you have signed a centre back?!?! (For the record I don't think Senderos is good enough, but its about numbers as well as quality). Silvestre was a panic signing if ever I have seen one although admittedly a signing we needed.
Why did we fail to sign the suppose centre back targets you refer to? Were we unrealistic in the money we offered? Were we miserly in the personal terms on the table? We are the Arsenal for christ sake! Can we really not attract players to the club anymore?? If reports are to be believed, why did Wenger wait until the closing stages of the transfer window before mounting his bid for Alonso?? Although not the defensive midfielder we require, his experience would have been an asset and he would have taken alot of pressure off Cesc.
Wenger's strategy has gradually seen our squad drained of experience, role models and players with a track record of winning trophies. The irony is that one of the few old heads kept was one who couldn't be relied on - Gallas. Arsene has now backed himself into a corner where, in my opinion, he can't afford to allow Gallas to leave before the summer as we will be left with zero experience and zero cover. What are you realistcially going to pick up in January? Six more months of a player at the centre of dressing room unrest. Great forward thinking Arsene!!
I am convinced that the money really isn't there despite what the board tell us. Why else would a man as intelligent as Arsene Wenger make such bad and ill judged decisions?
Flamini aside, I agree that in the main Arsene has released the right players at the right time. But failing to bring in adequate replacements is beyond belief. What was the logic in allowing Edu to leave during the same summer as Vieira, then compounded by getting no one in to fill the void? How do the club allow players such as Edu and Flamini to run down their contracts and leave for nothing?? How did we get into a position where we got zero for Wiltord having paid £12m for him?!? In short the strategy over the past 5 years has been short sighted and in my opinion been goverened by financial contraints that the Board will not admit to, i.e. reducing the wage bill. But the lost transfer fees from free transfer departures must now be approacjing £20m.
Surely you don't allow Gilberto to leave until you have signed a replacement for Flamini? Forget having a responsibility to Gilberto with regards to allowing him regular football at his age, as Arsene has been quoted as saying. Your first responsibility is to Arsenal and our supporters. Surely you don't sanction Senderos's loan to Milan until you have signed a centre back?!?! (For the record I don't think Senderos is good enough, but its about numbers as well as quality). Silvestre was a panic signing if ever I have seen one although admittedly a signing we needed.
Why did we fail to sign the suppose centre back targets you refer to? Were we unrealistic in the money we offered? Were we miserly in the personal terms on the table? We are the Arsenal for christ sake! Can we really not attract players to the club anymore?? If reports are to be believed, why did Wenger wait until the closing stages of the transfer window before mounting his bid for Alonso?? Although not the defensive midfielder we require, his experience would have been an asset and he would have taken alot of pressure off Cesc.
Wenger's strategy has gradually seen our squad drained of experience, role models and players with a track record of winning trophies. The irony is that one of the few old heads kept was one who couldn't be relied on - Gallas. Arsene has now backed himself into a corner where, in my opinion, he can't afford to allow Gallas to leave before the summer as we will be left with zero experience and zero cover. What are you realistcially going to pick up in January? Six more months of a player at the centre of dressing room unrest. Great forward thinking Arsene!!
I am convinced that the money really isn't there despite what the board tell us. Why else would a man as intelligent as Arsene Wenger make such bad and ill judged decisions?
For me, saying that Wenger 'Tried to sign two CB's in the summer' is like me saying I tried to buy a Lamborghini..........ie: I walked into a showroom and offered 10k for a 90k car!!
It has been fairly widely reported that Wenger made an offer for Alonso - somewhere between 12-14m supposedly, but wouldn't go to 16m. Now I can understand sticking to your guns, not overspending etc etc but if you are really in need of something, is 2m really a sticking point? Two thirds of one games match receipts from the Emirates? No, sorry, trying to sign doesn't suggest he tried very hard at all to get anyone. For example, he said he had been watching Vincent Kompany for years and really liked him. Papers valued Kompany at 12m+ and he finally moves to Man City for 5m. Why didn't we go in for him? Why weren't we making enquiries?
Maybe because Wenger wasn't seriously looking to sign anyone??
It has been fairly widely reported that Wenger made an offer for Alonso - somewhere between 12-14m supposedly, but wouldn't go to 16m. Now I can understand sticking to your guns, not overspending etc etc but if you are really in need of something, is 2m really a sticking point? Two thirds of one games match receipts from the Emirates? No, sorry, trying to sign doesn't suggest he tried very hard at all to get anyone. For example, he said he had been watching Vincent Kompany for years and really liked him. Papers valued Kompany at 12m+ and he finally moves to Man City for 5m. Why didn't we go in for him? Why weren't we making enquiries?
Maybe because Wenger wasn't seriously looking to sign anyone??
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MickeyFabs
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Agree with Freddie, get behind the team you bunch of babies.
You can cry about our plight until you are blue in the face. What could have been, what should have been.
But I'll tell you this... Wenger is our greatest manager since Herbert Chapman, and there isn't one gobshite manager out there who can replace him.
Could Fergie or Rafa cope with our meagre transfer budget? How many times have you heard Rafa crying about money.
Our manager gets on with the job, while you cry about who we let go. Those players wanted to go so fu*k em. When Flamini and Hleb wanted to go I said fu*k em, better off without them. And we still are better off without them.
I am from a generation where we don't beg players to stay with us.
Remember this, Arsene brought them all here, and when the conditions are right he will sign what we need, which will be in January.
I was open minded about playing with the kids this season. Okay it didn't work out, so AW will fix it.
You guys should apologise for being a sorry bunch of so called Arsenal Supporters!!
While you cry I'll be cheering us on against Kiev, and celebrating when we take 3 points at Stamford Bridge.
You can cry about our plight until you are blue in the face. What could have been, what should have been.
But I'll tell you this... Wenger is our greatest manager since Herbert Chapman, and there isn't one gobshite manager out there who can replace him.
Could Fergie or Rafa cope with our meagre transfer budget? How many times have you heard Rafa crying about money.
Our manager gets on with the job, while you cry about who we let go. Those players wanted to go so fu*k em. When Flamini and Hleb wanted to go I said fu*k em, better off without them. And we still are better off without them.
I am from a generation where we don't beg players to stay with us.
Remember this, Arsene brought them all here, and when the conditions are right he will sign what we need, which will be in January.
I was open minded about playing with the kids this season. Okay it didn't work out, so AW will fix it.
You guys should apologise for being a sorry bunch of so called Arsenal Supporters!!
While you cry I'll be cheering us on against Kiev, and celebrating when we take 3 points at Stamford Bridge.
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Redexpress
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If Mickeyfabs and Freddie are right then we might as well close down the forum now.
Why is it if someone expresses an opinion, other than totally positive, then they are "so-called" Arsenal fans, who can "f-off to another club".
I would say that most peoplewho take the time to look at these sites and make a comment, do so because they care about the club.
Why is it if someone expresses an opinion, other than totally positive, then they are "so-called" Arsenal fans, who can "f-off to another club".
I would say that most peoplewho take the time to look at these sites and make a comment, do so because they care about the club.
That old line the red tinted brigade always come out with"If you dont like it fuck off".Very original.If we all had that opinion there would be one man and his dog at AG every weekFreddie71 wrote:Oh shut up - you dont like it go down the road and support that shower of shite
There cannot be any Arsenal fan who is happy with the way the team has performed this season.That is why we are angry.Wenger is our greatest manager but he has fucked up big style this season.We are struggling to finish 4th for Gods sake.
Wengers biggest fault is his stubborness everyone knew we needed a CH and a DM but stubborn Wenger knew better.Well he was wrong.But he wont do anything about it because buying them players now would be an addmission he was wrong
