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I think his time is up. call me a glory hunter.. a fair weather fan.. whatever...its not the losses ..for me it is the kind of performances that this team have put in..plain ridiculous.. he built this team of spineless twats ..so he has to go
Arsene Wenger your time is up (22/11)
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QuartzGooner
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Imbecile
Neogunner, I can't believe that morons like you are allowed to post nonsense like this on the gooner website. You are clearly a Spud that has slipped through what laughably passes for a net at the gooner!
I agree that Wenger's blind faith in Gallas has landed us in the current predicament, but you seem to be overlooking the fact that the team has put in at least half a dozen outstanding performances this season, mixed in with a lot of dross.
Wenger has been severely constrained by the fact that he has built us a stadium that we can be proud of for the next 50 years, at exactly the time when the global credit and property markets have imploded.
If you can't recognise the quality of players like Wilshire, Vela, Lansbury, Ramsey, Gibbs, Simpson and Walcott then you are even more of an idiot than I first thought.
We will likely finish 5th or 6th this year, which isn't the end of the World, and this will inject a sense of urgency to add some experience to the squad that will allow us to mount a serious challenge on all fronts next season.
I agree that Wenger's blind faith in Gallas has landed us in the current predicament, but you seem to be overlooking the fact that the team has put in at least half a dozen outstanding performances this season, mixed in with a lot of dross.
Wenger has been severely constrained by the fact that he has built us a stadium that we can be proud of for the next 50 years, at exactly the time when the global credit and property markets have imploded.
If you can't recognise the quality of players like Wilshire, Vela, Lansbury, Ramsey, Gibbs, Simpson and Walcott then you are even more of an idiot than I first thought.
We will likely finish 5th or 6th this year, which isn't the end of the World, and this will inject a sense of urgency to add some experience to the squad that will allow us to mount a serious challenge on all fronts next season.
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u2bagooner
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Some time people have to say it as it is and this article does, we all love Wenger and what he has done for this club is remarkable, but it his job to put together a title winning squad, this one despite his spin (week in week out) is not, it's not even close. He has managed to put together a completley leaderless bunch some of whom are average at best (Almunia, Song, Eboue, Walcott, Denilson, Bendtner). How can you not replace Vieira, Flamini, Gilberto? I mean not buy one replacement except Diarra who you then sell despite knowing that Flamini's contract is running out? How at the end of last season can you identify (not difficult) the glaring problem at centre defence and in a final desperate act try and solve it with Silvestre and deciding that Song is going to be an option? Fabregas is exhausted but you can't rest him as his cover has been playing next to him out of position all season? And just when you think that this could all be forgiven you play 451 at home to Villa, with the 1 being the slow and diabolical first touch of Bendtner.
Why is Keown not reinstated to defensive coach?
THE more I think about it there is less and less reason for me to think that Wenger can turn it around, of course there will be the occassional highlight but on the whole it will be a long hard season.
Why is Keown not reinstated to defensive coach?
THE more I think about it there is less and less reason for me to think that Wenger can turn it around, of course there will be the occassional highlight but on the whole it will be a long hard season.
RobC - Any criticism of my article is welcome, but I don't see the need for extreme rhetoric.I have only said what I and many more Arsenal fans feel.Calling me a Spurs fan does not lend any weight to your criticism nor does it prove what I have said is totally wrong.
If dissappointment and anger is what I feel for 4 years without a trophy I will express it no matter what "real fans" like you feel.
As much as I love this club I am not blind to the possibility of us not finishing in the top four. That for this club which has the burden of paying for the stadium will be too much to handle if we are not in the champions league.
Another trophy less year and no champions league football will mean the exit of our more established players like Fabregas. If we have to build a team we need players like him to stay.Had Hleb and Flamini and Gilberto stayed we would not have been where we are today.
Your argument on how we will challenge next year after finishing 5th or 6th this year is so myopic that even going to specsavers wont help.
u2bagooner - you have obviously understood what I am trying to say.Cheers
If dissappointment and anger is what I feel for 4 years without a trophy I will express it no matter what "real fans" like you feel.
As much as I love this club I am not blind to the possibility of us not finishing in the top four. That for this club which has the burden of paying for the stadium will be too much to handle if we are not in the champions league.
Another trophy less year and no champions league football will mean the exit of our more established players like Fabregas. If we have to build a team we need players like him to stay.Had Hleb and Flamini and Gilberto stayed we would not have been where we are today.
Your argument on how we will challenge next year after finishing 5th or 6th this year is so myopic that even going to specsavers wont help.
u2bagooner - you have obviously understood what I am trying to say.Cheers
I don't disagree with too much in the article. No doubt it will bring several 'f*ck off to chelski' remarks from armchair Arsenal fans, but I just want to say this:
What makes people think that given the chance, Wenger will turn things around by buying quality and outing some of the dead wood? He's not done that for years and by doing it he sends out the message that he was completely wrong about 'his' squad and how good (sic) it is. He has been fantastic for this club, get him upstairs if possible, in charge of youth development (his strongest attribute) and do whatever it takes to being in Guus Hiddink.
If Arsenal don't qualify for the CL this year it will lead to serious ramifications -
a) A loss of a lot of CL/TV money
b) We won't be able to attract top quality players, even if the manager at the time WAS prepared to buy
c) With Man City bound to spend a fortune and Villa potentially improving further it looks like we may have to spend a considerable amount just to compete for 4th again
d) Do the board seriously think we will get 60,000 crowds playing the kind of football seen against City, Hull, Fulham, Stoke, West Brom....and so on?
Bottom line is.........if Wenger does not strengthen this squad with a couple of decent players in January, he has to go, it is his fault.
What makes people think that given the chance, Wenger will turn things around by buying quality and outing some of the dead wood? He's not done that for years and by doing it he sends out the message that he was completely wrong about 'his' squad and how good (sic) it is. He has been fantastic for this club, get him upstairs if possible, in charge of youth development (his strongest attribute) and do whatever it takes to being in Guus Hiddink.
If Arsenal don't qualify for the CL this year it will lead to serious ramifications -
a) A loss of a lot of CL/TV money
b) We won't be able to attract top quality players, even if the manager at the time WAS prepared to buy
c) With Man City bound to spend a fortune and Villa potentially improving further it looks like we may have to spend a considerable amount just to compete for 4th again
d) Do the board seriously think we will get 60,000 crowds playing the kind of football seen against City, Hull, Fulham, Stoke, West Brom....and so on?
Bottom line is.........if Wenger does not strengthen this squad with a couple of decent players in January, he has to go, it is his fault.
Thre Realists said in the summer this would happen and so it has proved.I cant believe the blind faith some Gooners are showing Wenger have you been asleep for the first 4 months of this season.
Any top manager could see we needed a new keeper,2 Ch"s,a DM and a striker. But Wenger couldnt
Huge mistakes like selling Diarra because he wanted first team football,letting Flamini"s contract run into its last year.God do we miss them two
Keeping a player who had his agent trying to get a move for him in the summer Madness
Relying on youth when everyone could see we needed experience
Wenger has got to be made accountable for this but our board are as weak as piss.
Any top manager could see we needed a new keeper,2 Ch"s,a DM and a striker. But Wenger couldnt
Huge mistakes like selling Diarra because he wanted first team football,letting Flamini"s contract run into its last year.God do we miss them two
Keeping a player who had his agent trying to get a move for him in the summer Madness
Relying on youth when everyone could see we needed experience
Wenger has got to be made accountable for this but our board are as weak as piss.
Re: Imbecile
Half a dozen outstanding performances this season, and you have the front to call someone else a moron?RobC wrote:Neogunner, I can't believe that morons like you are allowed to post nonsense like this on the gooner website. You are clearly a Spud that has slipped through what laughably passes for a net at the gooner!
I agree that Wenger's blind faith in Gallas has landed us in the current predicament, but you seem to be overlooking the fact that the team has put in at least half a dozen outstanding performances this season, mixed in with a lot of dross.
Wenger has been severely constrained by the fact that he has built us a stadium that we can be proud of for the next 50 years, at exactly the time when the global credit and property markets have imploded.
If you can't recognise the quality of players like Wilshire, Vela, Lansbury, Ramsey, Gibbs, Simpson and Walcott then you are even more of an idiot than I first thought.
We will likely finish 5th or 6th this year, which isn't the end of the World, and this will inject a sense of urgency to add some experience to the squad that will allow us to mount a serious challenge on all fronts next season.
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Sammy Mooner
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Arsenal have been successful because they don't ditch their managers at the first sign of a crisis.
We are on a slide. We are under performing. We do not have sufficient grit in the team. We have lost confidence. The youngsters are not all giving 100%. We are leaderless on the pitch.
But this is not a crisis other than in relative terms to what many now perceive to be the norm. The Norm for us is top three. That does not make 5th place a crisis. Not with 9 players unavailable for selection at Citeh.
We are on a slide. We are under performing. We do not have sufficient grit in the team. We have lost confidence. The youngsters are not all giving 100%. We are leaderless on the pitch.
But this is not a crisis other than in relative terms to what many now perceive to be the norm. The Norm for us is top three. That does not make 5th place a crisis. Not with 9 players unavailable for selection at Citeh.
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6OONER PETE
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Donaldo wrote
The Realists said in the summer this would happen and so it has proved.I can't believe the blind faith some Gooners are showing in Wenger .Have you been asleep for the first 4 months of this season?
Any top manager could see we needed a new keeper,2 Ch"s,a DM and a striker. But Wenger couldnt
Huge mistakes like selling Diarra because he wanted first team football,letting Flamini"s contract run into its last year.God do we miss them two
Keeping a player who had his agent trying to get a move for him in the summer Madness
Relying on youth when everyone could see we needed experience
Wenger has got to be made accountable for this but our board are as weak as piss.
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All this is spot on!
A lot of us knew months ago that we were going to have big problems this season. Unfortunately we have been proved right.
Hang on a minute though Donaldo.....shouldn't we have f**ked off to Chelsea?
The Realists said in the summer this would happen and so it has proved.I can't believe the blind faith some Gooners are showing in Wenger .Have you been asleep for the first 4 months of this season?
Any top manager could see we needed a new keeper,2 Ch"s,a DM and a striker. But Wenger couldnt
Huge mistakes like selling Diarra because he wanted first team football,letting Flamini"s contract run into its last year.God do we miss them two
Keeping a player who had his agent trying to get a move for him in the summer Madness
Relying on youth when everyone could see we needed experience
Wenger has got to be made accountable for this but our board are as weak as piss.
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All this is spot on!
A lot of us knew months ago that we were going to have big problems this season. Unfortunately we have been proved right.
Hang on a minute though Donaldo.....shouldn't we have f**ked off to Chelsea?
it gives me no pleasure to say we were right and blind faith in arsene was just ridiculous, i stil hope he can turn it around but remember no one man is bigger then the club