As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
arsene we love and respect you for what you have done for our club but it works both ways , so start been more truthful and stop believing we are morons who know no better and fobbing us off with players who aren't up to the class required to win a league title and more
there was an arsenal before you and there will be an arsenal after you and we will still be here
REBEL GOONER wrote:arsene we love and respect you for what you have done for our club but it works both ways , so start been more truthful and stop believing we are morons who know no better and fobbing us off with players who aren't up to the class required to win a league title and more
there was an arsenal before you and there will be an arsenal after you and we will still be here
He is saying that he accepts critisism with respect which is fair. Its when people attack him in a 'tabloid' way its out of order, I agree with him 100%.
i dont hate wenger, he has been the best manager we have ever had, but just because a couple of shareholders at the agm give him a little criticism he goes on a mad defensive
people seem to think he is arsenal and he is not, that is my point
REBEL GOONER wrote:i dont hate wenger, he has been the best manager we have ever had, but just because a couple of shareholders at the agm give him a little criticism he goes on a mad defensive
people seem to think he is arsenal and he is not, that is my point
I just think that some of the criticism of him has been knee jerk and a bit over the top. I'm a big Wenger fan, I'll happily admit that and think he really does deserve more respect.
Anyway, I'm off up to Highbury for the Youth Cup, C'mon you young Gunners!
And in Friday's press conference ahead of Sunday's match against Stoke City, he admitted: "I accept everyone's opinion, but what was not enjoyable in that meeting was that it was disrespectful to some players.
"No matter even if you lose 38 games on the trot I won't accept that."
Arsene really doesn't understand fans at all, does he? What does Wenger expect, a round of applause and a few verses of "For He's A Jolly Good Fellow'?
Do Wenger and the Club 'respect' the fans ? Or do they just regard them as a nuisance and sheep to fleeced for a season ticket and 'add ons' every year but otherwise disregarded ?
I have a pretty good idea what the answer is.
As Rebel said, 'respect' is a two way street.
At least this wretched season will finally be over come Sunday.
REBEL GOONER wrote:but you see its only the away fans that are true 100% gooners so if they criticise then they must be right
the rest of us arent true supporters because all we do is hide behind our keyboards and are only happy if the team are doing shit so we can moan
I think you're nearly right but having looked at the majority of posts on here lately just being an away fan is not enough. You have to sing anti-Tottenham songs all the way through Champions League game, abuse anyone who dares to leave early (regardless of how long they've supported the club) and live in a virtual world where football managers are exempt from criticism (unlike every other walk of life)
REBEL GOONER wrote:i dont hate wenger, he has been the best manager we have ever had, but just because a couple of shareholders at the agm give him a little criticism he goes on a mad defensive
people seem to think he is arsenal and he is not, that is my point
Exactly Reb, Arsenal FC existed a long time before AW and will do so a long time after him. The staff at football clubs are transient things while us, the supporters are the only constants. AW is the best manager we've had in my time but one day he won't be there.One thing is for sure tho, us, the supporters will be.
Anyone else think that Ade and AW have both lost the plot?
They can easily bring it back onside.
Ade needs remember what a hard working team player he was. Doing all the running alongside TH14 and great team ethic last season. Ade lost the plot half way through last season when he thought Golden Boot and I'm the new Henry. Downhill since then but surely easy to get back to where he was. Probably too late now but he could have redeened himself this season.
Likewise Arsene. Had the winning formula in his grasp then looks like he has let the ego take control and thinks he can do no wrong. Just get back to that winning formula - Strong defence, skillful players in their natural position, punish team on the break. Again it's pretty easy to get back to those winning principles - if he wants to.
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I am one of those that fear that wenger has had his best days with us and is now on a downward slope. Apart from the fact that I believe that he has brought us as far as he can, I also fear that if he stays on too longer he will maybe damage the memories and respect which he should hold forever from the fans. Right now I have to say that I am losing a little more respect for him with every passing day and I do feel sad about it. It isnt that he is having a go at the fans that I have a problem with but it is because he is doing so from a position of weakness and he doesnt see that. If he, the players and the board were on top of their game and they had a go at the fans for lack of atmosphere and support or whatever then that would be fair enough but he is crucifying us tactically, there is fcuk all investment in bringing in quality players, the players are being way over paid and too many of them do not seem to give a flying fcuk
It seems that Arsenal Football Club is the only business in the world that you are not allowed to voice your displeasure for the muck that you are paying top dollar for It seems to me that wenger doesnt value the fans opinions as he clearly thinks that we know fcuk all. He should know that you dont have to have played the game at a high level to be knowledgeable about the game cos after all he wasnt much of a player when he was younger but it didnt affect his knowledge of the game did it ? I am not for one second saying that any one of us is more knowledgeable than wenger but what you saw at the shareholders meeting was representative of thousands of Gooners everywhere and we cant all be wrong all of the time can we arsene ?
I have to say that if the man doesnt change his stance towards the fans and stop trying to blackmail everyone for his unconditional support then I for one would tell him to piss off to madrid