How Arsenal have changed.

[GallasVoice]

People will wonder why iv'e started this thread, after Arsene Wengers(legend) 13 years at the club, i took myself right back to the beginning just to realise the negative affect he has made on The Arsenal...

Our crest changed from traditional to untraditional...

Our stadium changed from traditonal to untraditional....

Our players used to be gooners at heart (big tony, wrighty, keown ect) now NONE of them are in comparision....

A New generation of poxy quiet fans that weren't there at highbury.....

Stupid Red Kit without proper white sleeves!(AND A WHITE AWAY KIT WITH BLUE SHORTS OMG!!) thats like everton playing in all red! man utd playing in sky blue with white shorts!!!!

I love Arsenal but this is how i feel and it does upset me that wev'e changed our whole culture more than any other team in the last 10 years. I know theres such thing as moving on and making progress, but were a whole different team now. Arsene could have stopped all the above from happening and still be succesful in my opinion.

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

too many jd's mate, i know i have had too many jb's tonight, watching 'the departed' what a film, seen it 5 times.

Arsenal have to change lke all thuings, nothing can stand still or it stagnates, many older supporters are against the changes but many younger ones embrace it, lets be honest here and punch numbers, olders fans are dying off (in good time and not before), younger ones are the way forward, i guess

[GallasVoice]

lol i know what you mean. But im only 20 myself and it genuinley does anger me!! and i didn't know the old arsenal as well as most of you, so i can see why it does piss the older guys off.

Oh i hate JD, makes me violent.

[Exiled-Gooner]

It's called business mate,i'm a old gooner, a clockender from 70's till the end.I hate the new badge and the new style of kit but it's all down to merchandising and business it's not really about football or fans anymore.

Look at the TV station,setanta went bust but laughapool seem to keep there's going,it enabled gooners around the world who couldn't get to a game to see the matches but a decision was made to drop it BUT you can subscribe to the official website for £3.99 pm to view games,money.The ticket prices are the highest anywhere but the lack of investment in the playing side shows the aim of the board is cultivate a successful business.

We are customers not fans anymore and have no say in the aims of our beloved club as also shown with the new stadium.There are no ends,weak atmosphere,the chanters are scattered around the ground so to show a family environment best suited to American sports than football.There be always someone to take up a ticket if others don't go and the board knows this and while we still get that C/L spot i don't expect anything to change for a considerable time.

[MM99]

People will wonder why iv'e started this thread, after Arsene Wengers(legend) 13 years at the club, i took myself right back to the beginning just to realise the negative affect he has made on The Arsenal...

Our crest changed from traditional to untraditional...

Our stadium changed from traditonal to untraditional....

Our players used to be gooners at heart (big tony, wrighty, keown ect) now NONE of them are in comparision....

A New generation of poxy quiet fans that weren't there at highbury.....

Stupid Red Kit without proper white sleeves!(AND A WHITE AWAY KIT WITH BLUE SHORTS OMG!!) thats like everton playing in all red! man utd playing in sky blue with white shorts!!!!

I love Arsenal but this is how i feel and it does upset me that wev'e changed our whole culture more than any other team in the last 10 years. I know theres such thing as moving on and making progress, but were a whole different team now. Arsene could have stopped all the above from happening and still be succesful in my opinion.

wow, this argument has so many holes in it its unbelievable.
1. the first point of your argument which ive highlighted, youre saying that our players used to be gooners at heart, but under wenger this isnt the case anymore? firstly, cesc? v.persie? even henry? certainly players who show just how much they love the club, all developed under wenger. secondly, its not wengers fault, its how the modern game is, dont try and pin the blame on wenger. there simply isnt the same loyalty that used to exist from a player to his club, the modern game with ridiculous wages has contributed to that. absolutely nothing to do with wenger that players are being greedy and acting in their best interests.

2. new generation of fans? again, how is this wengers fault? success brings along with it JCL's, what do you want wenger to do, make us shit, get relegated so we have more of the hardcore fans back? again, due to the modern game, this is happening all over the world, at clubs such as man u, liverpool, and chelsea, so how is this wengers fault?

3. the kit, again, is not down to wenger, look no further than nike. im sure there are thousands of man u fans out there absolutely disgusted at their kit, im guessing wengers to blame for that aswell?

[littlefire]

im sure there are thousands of man u fans out there absolutely disgusted at their kit,

Their kit...is SHIT!

[digger]

Should go back to clubs making their own kit

[DB10GOONER]

3. the kit, again, is not down to wenger, look no further than nike. im sure there are thousands of man u fans out there absolutely disgusted at their kit, im guessing wengers to blame for that aswell?

Actually, the kit is not totally Nike's fault. They design 4 or 5 possible kits and our board decide which one to go with. Is Wenger involved in that process too? Possibly, probably actually.

Just like to add that the new badge is very European in design. Possible Wenger influence there? Maybe.

I'm a traditionalist. 42 years old, been a Gooner since the early 70's. I prefer the old crest. I hate the current Charlton, Scum and Chav tribute jerseys we have. Fucking hate them. I loved Highbury and cannot bring myself to like the Conglomerates (and I've tried). I think we have sold our traditions down the river and it is a real shame.

[digger]

Spot on DB10, but you are a twat

Highbury was small, but an excellent stadium. It just said Arsenal all over (even down to the tiles in the toilet ). "Emirates" is just a rent-a-stadium. Could easily change the seat colour to another colour and make it anyone else's "home". Don't get me wrong, the ease at which I can get a ticket, the excellent sightlines from every seat and the massive concourses are nice, but I'd much rather be squinting behind one of those pillars in the East stand with someone standing on my foot.

Badge is shit. Why did it need to be replaced. It's exactly the same design as Melbourne Victory's.... it wasn't even designed exclusively for Arsenal. There was nothing wrong with the old one.

As for the kids, Red and White, Yellow and Blue. I can almost understand them making different kits (Blue, or Green) to increase revenue, but White should never have happened. The fact that it's our "biggest selling" away shirt ever speaks volumes about the *word censored* who support Arsenal now.

[Andrey's Tongue]

Spot on DB10, but you are a twat

Highbury was small, but an excellent stadium. It just said Arsenal all over (even down to the tiles in the toilet ). "Emirates" is just a rent-a-stadium. Could easily change the seat colour to another colour and make it anyone else's "home". Don't get me wrong, the ease at which I can get a ticket, the excellent sightlines from every seat and the massive concourses are nice, but I'd much rather be squinting behind one of those pillars in the East stand with someone standing on my foot.

Badge is shit. Why did it need to be replaced. It's exactly the same design as Melbourne Victory's.... it wasn't even designed exclusively for Arsenal. There was nothing wrong with the old one.

As for the kids, Red and White, Yellow and Blue. I can almost understand them making different kits (Blue, or Green) to increase revenue, but White should never have happened. The fact that it's our "biggest selling" away shirt ever speaks volumes about the c**ts who support Arsenal now.

Do you really mean that? I paid the same price for my ticekt at Highbury as I do now. My view at Highbury was something similar to watching the game through a letter box. Now I get a great view of the whole pitch without wondering where the ball has gone if it goes over 20 feet in the air. Don't get me wrong, Highbury was a brilliant ground but its best days were well behind it.

As for the badge though I agree, should have stuck with the one we had.

[DB10GOONER]

Spot on DB10, but you are a twat

Thank you.

As for the kids, Red and White, Yellow and Blue. I can almost understand them making different kits (Blue, or Green) to increase revenue, but White should never have happened. The fact that it's our "biggest selling" away shirt ever speaks volumes about the c**ts who support Arsenal now.

Amen brother. I cannot even wear a white training top to footy training. When I was offered a spot playing for another local team years ago (bigger club, slightly higher league etc) I turned it down because they played in a white jersey and blue shorts! Straight up! Stayed with my old team instead. My GF at the time thought I was a bit of a twat for doing it... Jeez, that bitch was smarter than she looked, huh?

[digger]

Do you really mean that? I paid the same price for my ticekt at Highbury as I do now. My view at Highbury was something similar to watching the game through a letter box. Now I get a great view of the whole pitch without wondering where the ball has gone if it goes over 20 feet in the air. Don't get me wrong, Highbury was a brilliant ground but its best days were well behind it.

The view was only bad if you were right at the back of the East (I usually sat nearer the front or in the NB/CE) and it only became an issue if the ball was 50 yards in the air (admittedly, more of a problem before about '94). Of the 38,500 seats, only about 100 were terrible.

[Andrey's Tongue]

Do you really mean that? I paid the same price for my ticekt at Highbury as I do now. My view at Highbury was something similar to watching the game through a letter box. Now I get a great view of the whole pitch without wondering where the ball has gone if it goes over 20 feet in the air. Don't get me wrong, Highbury was a brilliant ground but its best days were well behind it.

The view was only bad if you were right at the back of the East (I usually sat nearer the front or in the NB/CE) and it only became an issue if the ball was 50 yards in the air (admittedly, more of a problem before about '94). Of the 38,500 seats, only about 100 were terrible.

It was a few more than a 100 seats mate with a terrible view! I just now prefer actually being able to see the game, one of the more important factors when going to watch a football match!

[digger]

Each to their own! I preferred sitting next to non-*word censored*. Had some bloke call me a "hooligan" because I was singing and wearing a hoodie ffs He'd never been to a game before!!

[Andrey's Tongue]

Each to their own! I preferred sitting next to non-c**ts. Had some bloke call me a "hooligan" because I was singing and wearing a hoodie ffs He'd never been to a game before!!

I think thats just an issue with modern day football, i.e. once you have a ticket you are restricted to that one place in the ground. I always use the example of when I went to Rome last season, as it was sit where you like you will generally end up with like minded people. As me and my mate wanted a good view of the game without getting a coin in the eye we went halfway back right in the middle. Those who wanted some 'banter' with the Roma fans went over near the barriers. It seems to work better that way. However, not sure how it would work if that policy was adopted at Arsenal for 60,000 people!