I know this has nothing to do with Arsenal, but why does the England set up always embarrass us. I for one will be watching on Saturday the toe curling stuff I just know is gonna happen. Why do they always appoint a useless manager who's never done much? The papers make out that the likes of Lumpard, Terry, Owen and Gerrard are super supreme top footballers who could beat the world with just them four when all in all they're just average (except Gerrard) and the majority of the time they are injured when England play. Im at the stage now when I find it embarrassing to watch England games cos I know whats gonna happen.
What do you Gooners think of the England Set Up?
English football humiliated again!
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Couldn't agree more!
Every game is a major let down. I hate to say this but I prefer to watch the other 'Home International' teams than England. They might be shit as well but at least they play with a bit of pride and passion. Our players are just going through the motions and counting how much their bank balances have increased. I think they should stop paying players at England level and then those that play would be there for the right reasons. Also, the FA should not appoint a manager. Those interested in being manager should apply to be elected and the members of teams fan clubs should vote to appoint the one they want.
Every game is a major let down. I hate to say this but I prefer to watch the other 'Home International' teams than England. They might be shit as well but at least they play with a bit of pride and passion. Our players are just going through the motions and counting how much their bank balances have increased. I think they should stop paying players at England level and then those that play would be there for the right reasons. Also, the FA should not appoint a manager. Those interested in being manager should apply to be elected and the members of teams fan clubs should vote to appoint the one they want.
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It helps me understand what it is like to support a poor and badly run club 
The Fa refuse to change themselves and block Brooking from making reforms, the press pile on pressure after pressure then destroy England for not beating Brazil 200-0. If fans and press could accept England are a middling side, we might stand a chance of doing something.
The Fa refuse to change themselves and block Brooking from making reforms, the press pile on pressure after pressure then destroy England for not beating Brazil 200-0. If fans and press could accept England are a middling side, we might stand a chance of doing something.
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dear god, I've just realised, England are the Sperz of international football.Magic Hat wrote:It helps me understand what it is like to support a poor and badly run club
The Fa refuse to change themselves and block Brooking from making reforms, the press pile on pressure after pressure then destroy England for not beating Brazil 200-0. If fans and press could accept England are a middling side, we might stand a chance of doing something.
they play in a crappy white and blue kit, they haven't won anything since the 60's and they're still going on about it and they're convinced they're a big team even though all evidence points to the contrary, they even have a fat useless Goalie.
England - Sperz of Europe
the horror, the horror
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I posted this "nuetral's view" on another thread back in August;
I don't usually bother my arse discussing lame international matches but here's a kind of general post to all our English mates on here!!
Lads, the problems with your team are similar to ours; They start at the top. Your FA are nearly as corrupt and stupid as our FAI and that's saying something!
After years of feathering their nests and ripping off Ireland fans the FAI went and appointed a manager that had NEVER EVER managed a team in his life and gave him a 72 year old "advisor" that was last involved in international footy back in the 1980's!! You couldn't f*cking make it up...
No offence intended to Sir Bobbie but his input must be next to useless at this stage.
Your lot have appointed underachieving "yes" men since time began. Venables, Taylor, Hoddle, Keegan, Sven, Sir Bobbie, etc etc. Basically they say "yes" to whatever team the media want them to pick. The Gimp McLaren is just the latest in a long line of "Yes" men.
I can tell you the name of your next three England managers right now - in no particular order; Allerdyce, Curbishley and Roeder.
You will never have success until you clean out the FA and appoint a manager that is in possession of a set of cast iron testicals, a manager that will tell the media to go f*ck themselves, that'll basically say, "I'm dropping the underperforming glamour boy, no matter how many shirts he sells, no matter what pop bimbo he's married to, no matter how much you media crunts love him!"
One thing I always thought was that if the FA had appointed Cloughy as England manager in the late 70's or early 80's, he would've won the world cup. But he frightened the sh*t out of them...
Apparently our FAI have Tim Lovejoy lined up to take over from Stan Staunton next year with Howard Wilkinson as his "International Advisor".
Well, Lovejoy knows LOADS of footballers, doesn't he??!!
When I say underachieving I will concede that Sven was fairly successful at club level but as an international manager? Pah!
I don't usually bother my arse discussing lame international matches but here's a kind of general post to all our English mates on here!!
Lads, the problems with your team are similar to ours; They start at the top. Your FA are nearly as corrupt and stupid as our FAI and that's saying something!
After years of feathering their nests and ripping off Ireland fans the FAI went and appointed a manager that had NEVER EVER managed a team in his life and gave him a 72 year old "advisor" that was last involved in international footy back in the 1980's!! You couldn't f*cking make it up...
No offence intended to Sir Bobbie but his input must be next to useless at this stage.
Your lot have appointed underachieving "yes" men since time began. Venables, Taylor, Hoddle, Keegan, Sven, Sir Bobbie, etc etc. Basically they say "yes" to whatever team the media want them to pick. The Gimp McLaren is just the latest in a long line of "Yes" men.
I can tell you the name of your next three England managers right now - in no particular order; Allerdyce, Curbishley and Roeder.
You will never have success until you clean out the FA and appoint a manager that is in possession of a set of cast iron testicals, a manager that will tell the media to go f*ck themselves, that'll basically say, "I'm dropping the underperforming glamour boy, no matter how many shirts he sells, no matter what pop bimbo he's married to, no matter how much you media crunts love him!"
One thing I always thought was that if the FA had appointed Cloughy as England manager in the late 70's or early 80's, he would've won the world cup. But he frightened the sh*t out of them...
Apparently our FAI have Tim Lovejoy lined up to take over from Stan Staunton next year with Howard Wilkinson as his "International Advisor".
Well, Lovejoy knows LOADS of footballers, doesn't he??!!
When I say underachieving I will concede that Sven was fairly successful at club level but as an international manager? Pah!
Bobbie was successful at Newcastle and think elsewhere in the 90's so he does have some knowledge but with the newbie, it is in fashion after Klinsman/Van Basten thing I'm guessing.
Wouldn't say big Sam was a yes man but if men like Greenwood, Sir Bobby and Sven are unable to make England great it may just be because shock horror, not the manager but the players are not world class. I know the press will now brand me as a traitor and accuse me of some horrible crime for this outrageous statement
The Fa needs fixing but we should also remember the good things they dohttp://www.arsenal-land.co.uk/forum/vie ... 35#p275535
Wouldn't say big Sam was a yes man but if men like Greenwood, Sir Bobby and Sven are unable to make England great it may just be because shock horror, not the manager but the players are not world class. I know the press will now brand me as a traitor and accuse me of some horrible crime for this outrageous statement
The Fa needs fixing but we should also remember the good things they dohttp://www.arsenal-land.co.uk/forum/vie ... 35#p275535
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Magic Hat! I'm shocked!Magic Hat wrote:Bobbie was successful at Newcastle and think elsewhere in the 90's so he does have some knowledge but with the newbie, it is in fashion after Klinsman/Van Basten thing I'm guessing.
Wouldn't say big Sam was a yes man but if men like Greenwood, Sir Bobby and Sven are unable to make England great it may just be because shock horror, not the manager but the players are not world class. I know the press will now brand me as a traitor and accuse me of some horrible crime for this outrageous statement
The Fa needs fixing but we should also remember the good things they dohttp://www.arsenal-land.co.uk/forum/vie ... 35#p275535
You are a regular on another forum?? How very dare you, sir!
Big Sam will say yes to any f*cker with a brown envelope!!
Sorry, can't agree RE Bobby being successful at Toon.
He had moderate success at Ipswich in the 80's. Hardly set the world alight though. He won a couple of titles at PSV and Porto but in piss weak leagues. He won a couple of cups with Barca too.
Maybe a great trainer or coach but a moderate manager would be a fitting description...?
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awesome post DB10Gooner .. u fecking hit the nail square on the head ...
problem with england is mostly spineless mgt, and media hype ...
The media hype is debilitating as it puts the players under so much pressure that they actually manage to perform much less than their normal abilities ... Imagine how much better these players will perform if they could play with some relaxed freedom ...
I agree that england players are always over-rated by the press, but I disagree that its a team lacking in adequate skill to do much better than they have done ...
And folks who claim they dont care are wrong .. because like it or not, as footie fans you will most likely watch the match and endure the pain or enjoy the wins like the rest of us. folks probably mean that they are dis-illusioned ...
McLaren was a bad choice (too much like Ericsson) .. even though I dont like Alardyce, he would have made a much better manager if we must appoint an english mgr ... curbs and roeder are similar in personas to mclaren (not enough spine to go against the flow) .. perhaps coppel may not be a good choice
problem with england is mostly spineless mgt, and media hype ...
The media hype is debilitating as it puts the players under so much pressure that they actually manage to perform much less than their normal abilities ... Imagine how much better these players will perform if they could play with some relaxed freedom ...
I agree that england players are always over-rated by the press, but I disagree that its a team lacking in adequate skill to do much better than they have done ...
And folks who claim they dont care are wrong .. because like it or not, as footie fans you will most likely watch the match and endure the pain or enjoy the wins like the rest of us. folks probably mean that they are dis-illusioned ...
McLaren was a bad choice (too much like Ericsson) .. even though I dont like Alardyce, he would have made a much better manager if we must appoint an english mgr ... curbs and roeder are similar in personas to mclaren (not enough spine to go against the flow) .. perhaps coppel may not be a good choice
He had moderate success at Ipswich in the 80's. Hardly set the world alight though. He won a couple of titles at PSV and Porto but in piss weak leagues. He won a couple of cups with Barca too.
Only thing I would say is that his success with Ipswich was a little more than moderate, considering the size of the club (FA Cup, UEFA Cup, 2nd in the league and close to winning it.)
I think it was Gerald Vanenburg, PSV and Internation midfielder, who said of Bobby: "In his time at PSV, the only thing he taught me was English"
I best point out that my name there is magic hat so not my post, just thought it is good sometimes to remember the good part of the FA.
Bobby Robson got Newcastle challenging for a CL place until he was undermined by the chairman, to me that is a sucess, even more so when you consider how much they have failed since then.
I would not have been against another forgein manager, just on less wages, but if English, big sam would have at least kept England organised
Bobby Robson got Newcastle challenging for a CL place until he was undermined by the chairman, to me that is a sucess, even more so when you consider how much they have failed since then.
I would not have been against another forgein manager, just on less wages, but if English, big sam would have at least kept England organised
