JUST READ THE COMPLETE PILE OF SHIT WRITTEN BY JOHN CORSO AND MY RESPONSE TO HIS LETTER IS
WHAT A FUCKING DICKHEAD, DOES THIS GUY ACTUALLY WATCH ANY MATCHES ,GILBERTO HAS BEEN THE BEST PLAYER BY MILES THIS SEASON
HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN MAN OF THE MATCH AT CHELSEA BUT THE USUAL BIAS PRESS GIVE IT TO ESSIEN
TO THE GOONER WHY DO YOU BOTHER PUTTING LETTERS BY TWATS LIKE THIS WHEN THE PAPERS WRITE EXACTLY THE SAME THINGS WHEN I READ YOUR FANZINE EVERY MONTH AND YOU ARE USUALLY MOANING ABOUT THE PRESS
Captain Gilberto? Don’t make me laugh (Dec 18)
Legend 10 is completely correct - Whilst I am not normally Gilberto's biggest fan I personally feel he has taken the mantle of captain on and been in great form of late.
He was clearly 'man of the match' against Chelski and for my money is a better captain than Henry, who was clearly (to my mind) given the armband to try and keep him sweet.
I personally believe Toure should be the captain but can't argue with the job Gilberto has done recently.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion but I have to say the author of the article must have shit in his eyes!!
He was clearly 'man of the match' against Chelski and for my money is a better captain than Henry, who was clearly (to my mind) given the armband to try and keep him sweet.
I personally believe Toure should be the captain but can't argue with the job Gilberto has done recently.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion but I have to say the author of the article must have shit in his eyes!!
That's the first online article that i've read that i've disagreed with EVERY word. Are you actually an Arsenal fan?, if so, when was the last time you actually came to a game? if you have, do you know what Gilberto actually looks like?. It seems to me that you ain't got a clue/brain and there's a 'club' about a mile up the road that would be more suited to your 'opinion'.
This article has clearly prompted heated response!!
I both agree and disagree with the article. I for one think Gilberto has been outstanding this season and along with Kolo has been our best player. He is a true captain, leads by example, talks to the youngsters, bollocks them when they need it and clearly seems proud to be captaining Arsenal. I think he's a better candidate that Theirry to take the armband (another discussion for another day). I don't think anyone can ever accuse him of giving less than 100% in any game and any true Gooner will develop an affinity to any player who offers that. With the amount of youth in the team his experience and leadership is proving invaluable. The fruits of Gilbertos efforts will be felt long after he has gone as the development of our current group of kids will be in no small part thanks to Gilbertos guidance.
What Gilberto does he does very well, however (don't shoot me guys), I think he has limitations that are no longer compensated for as they use to be. If you play 4-4-2 so only have 2 central players, you need physical presence. Gilberto doesn't have this, he doesn't nail 50/50 tackles - not critiscing him, it's just not his game. That wasn't too much of a problem when it was Vieira or Edu next to him as they gave us this. Now we all know young Cesc is no whimp, but he's also not a physical 'hard hitter'. Cesc must start every game, he's too good not to, and if Gilberto plays along side him we have too soft a centre. Answer? We need another body in there hence 4-5-1 or whatever you wish to call it.
I personally think Arsene's see Gilberto experience and presence crucial given the youth in our team (Can't argue with that and I'm a big Gilberto fan). However I think he also feels forced into playing 4-5-1 due to our central pairing. For me we're are so more effective playing 4-4-2 but this demands someone of bigger physical presence alongside Cesc than Gilberto gives us.
I'm not saying Gilberto is not good enough or doesn't warrant a place in the side, how can anyone with even partial eye sight claim this of him this year?!?! However at times I feel we need a different type of player than him if we are to play our best formation and get the maximum out of the rest of the team.
Final point - I do think it is rediculous to queastion his credentials as a skipper. He is doing every Gooner proud in this department and if every player took on his level of ownership and responsibility we'd be one hell of a side.
I both agree and disagree with the article. I for one think Gilberto has been outstanding this season and along with Kolo has been our best player. He is a true captain, leads by example, talks to the youngsters, bollocks them when they need it and clearly seems proud to be captaining Arsenal. I think he's a better candidate that Theirry to take the armband (another discussion for another day). I don't think anyone can ever accuse him of giving less than 100% in any game and any true Gooner will develop an affinity to any player who offers that. With the amount of youth in the team his experience and leadership is proving invaluable. The fruits of Gilbertos efforts will be felt long after he has gone as the development of our current group of kids will be in no small part thanks to Gilbertos guidance.
What Gilberto does he does very well, however (don't shoot me guys), I think he has limitations that are no longer compensated for as they use to be. If you play 4-4-2 so only have 2 central players, you need physical presence. Gilberto doesn't have this, he doesn't nail 50/50 tackles - not critiscing him, it's just not his game. That wasn't too much of a problem when it was Vieira or Edu next to him as they gave us this. Now we all know young Cesc is no whimp, but he's also not a physical 'hard hitter'. Cesc must start every game, he's too good not to, and if Gilberto plays along side him we have too soft a centre. Answer? We need another body in there hence 4-5-1 or whatever you wish to call it.
I personally think Arsene's see Gilberto experience and presence crucial given the youth in our team (Can't argue with that and I'm a big Gilberto fan). However I think he also feels forced into playing 4-5-1 due to our central pairing. For me we're are so more effective playing 4-4-2 but this demands someone of bigger physical presence alongside Cesc than Gilberto gives us.
I'm not saying Gilberto is not good enough or doesn't warrant a place in the side, how can anyone with even partial eye sight claim this of him this year?!?! However at times I feel we need a different type of player than him if we are to play our best formation and get the maximum out of the rest of the team.
Final point - I do think it is rediculous to queastion his credentials as a skipper. He is doing every Gooner proud in this department and if every player took on his level of ownership and responsibility we'd be one hell of a side.
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good post Trev, a lot of sense there.
I am not sure though that we need a cruncher or hard hitter in our team though - performances at chelsea and OT suggest that we can harry and hassle the functional teams well enough, winning the ball back through hard work and playing as a team rather than sliding into tackles.
when freddie and hleb have been there and put the work in alongside Cesc, i don't think we've been outbattled or bossed in midfield - the points we've dropped have been more down to lapses in concentration at the back and a couple of lucky wondergoals.
I wouldn't overlook the spirit and passion that flamini has shown too - what he lacks in skill he makes up in heart, when he's on the field the other youngsters must feel it too as we do look more solid when the youngsters are together.
Its strange but defensively, this team looks more of team without its captain.
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I am not sure though that we need a cruncher or hard hitter in our team though - performances at chelsea and OT suggest that we can harry and hassle the functional teams well enough, winning the ball back through hard work and playing as a team rather than sliding into tackles.
when freddie and hleb have been there and put the work in alongside Cesc, i don't think we've been outbattled or bossed in midfield - the points we've dropped have been more down to lapses in concentration at the back and a couple of lucky wondergoals.
I wouldn't overlook the spirit and passion that flamini has shown too - what he lacks in skill he makes up in heart, when he's on the field the other youngsters must feel it too as we do look more solid when the youngsters are together.
Its strange but defensively, this team looks more of team without its captain.
Clockender1
I think the effort and desire the midfield have shown this year have been outstanding. Cesc, Gilberto, Hleb and Flamini in particular have been superb in this department. However I feel at times the massive effort required just to keep us in games against more physical teams takes too much out of us and detracts from the rest of our game. I feel at times we have to work overtime just so not to get over run.
For the last 10 minutes of the Chelsea game I thought we were out on our feet because we had worked so had to combat Messrs Essien, Ballack, Makalele, Drogba et al.
Again I'm not critisicing the players, quite the opposite. I just feel if we had stronger players to take the brunt of the 'donkey' work, it would free up others to concentrate on winning games. In our Double season and unbeaten year, 80% of the efforts of Henry, Pires, Dennis, Overmars and Freddie went into creating and scoring as we had the Vieiras, Edus, Petits, Parlours to do the ugly stuff. The same should be true today of the likes of Hleb, Rosicky and Cesc.
Maybe we've been blessed as will there ever be a player again who can take on the work load that Paddy did? Possibly not and maybe this afforded us more luxury. But I still feel the balance has shifted far too the other way and a couple of stronger players will help compensate for this.
In short I think we need to free up our creative players if we want to get back to winning regularly away from home.
For the last 10 minutes of the Chelsea game I thought we were out on our feet because we had worked so had to combat Messrs Essien, Ballack, Makalele, Drogba et al.
Again I'm not critisicing the players, quite the opposite. I just feel if we had stronger players to take the brunt of the 'donkey' work, it would free up others to concentrate on winning games. In our Double season and unbeaten year, 80% of the efforts of Henry, Pires, Dennis, Overmars and Freddie went into creating and scoring as we had the Vieiras, Edus, Petits, Parlours to do the ugly stuff. The same should be true today of the likes of Hleb, Rosicky and Cesc.
Maybe we've been blessed as will there ever be a player again who can take on the work load that Paddy did? Possibly not and maybe this afforded us more luxury. But I still feel the balance has shifted far too the other way and a couple of stronger players will help compensate for this.
In short I think we need to free up our creative players if we want to get back to winning regularly away from home.
A GOOD POINT MADE, BUT I THINK WE DONT NEED A BATTLER AS IN 03/04 WE WENT UBEATEN WITH OUR BATTLER(VIEIRA) NOT HAVING A GREAT SEASON AND THEN FINISHED SECOND THE SEASON LATER TO THE BANK OF RUSSIA WITH AGAIN VIEIRA BEING POOR.
WHAT IS HAPPENING AT THE MOMENT IS THAT WE HAVE TOO MANY YOUNGSTERS THAT WILL MAKE MISTAKES AT THEIR AGE BUT WILL LEARN. MISTAKES AT THE BACK AND POOR FINISHING UP FRONT HAVE COST US IN THE LEAGUE. THIS MEANS THE MIDFIELD ARE DOING A GOOD JOB AND WE STILL HAVE 3 TROPHIES TO PLAY FOR SO KEEP THE FAITH .
WITH ALL THE YOUNGSTERS IN THE TEAM AT THE MOMENT, I CANT WAIT UNTIL THEY REACH THEIR PEAK AND START PLAYING THEIR BEST FOOTBALL AS WE WILL CLEAN UP.
WHAT IS HAPPENING AT THE MOMENT IS THAT WE HAVE TOO MANY YOUNGSTERS THAT WILL MAKE MISTAKES AT THEIR AGE BUT WILL LEARN. MISTAKES AT THE BACK AND POOR FINISHING UP FRONT HAVE COST US IN THE LEAGUE. THIS MEANS THE MIDFIELD ARE DOING A GOOD JOB AND WE STILL HAVE 3 TROPHIES TO PLAY FOR SO KEEP THE FAITH .
WITH ALL THE YOUNGSTERS IN THE TEAM AT THE MOMENT, I CANT WAIT UNTIL THEY REACH THEIR PEAK AND START PLAYING THEIR BEST FOOTBALL AS WE WILL CLEAN UP.
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I thought we were out on our feet the last 10 minutes against chelsea, because of 4 games in 10 days..........
our weakness is definately at the back - look how we finished last season. if Ralph, gallas, Toure, eboue can all stay fit and start working as a unit again we will look much more formidable.
our weakness is definately at the back - look how we finished last season. if Ralph, gallas, Toure, eboue can all stay fit and start working as a unit again we will look much more formidable.
Can't argue with either of your views Legend or Clockender. In reality it's probably a combination of all the points we've made. Certainly poor finishing has cost us and I think we've been a bit naive at times. But that's to be expected having such a young side and it will come.
One things for certain, we've got a lot to be positive about and a rosey future. I think we'll be a lot stronger once Gallas is back plus I'd like to see Ralph come back in. I won't harm Eboue's development to take him out of the firing line for a bit, give him a rest and let him watch and learn and bit more from the touchline. It's all part of the education.
Henry will return fitter and fresher and hopefully with a clear head and it will be a different Adebayor he's playing with given how nuch he is improving every game.
One things for certain, we've got a lot to be positive about and a rosey future. I think we'll be a lot stronger once Gallas is back plus I'd like to see Ralph come back in. I won't harm Eboue's development to take him out of the firing line for a bit, give him a rest and let him watch and learn and bit more from the touchline. It's all part of the education.
Henry will return fitter and fresher and hopefully with a clear head and it will be a different Adebayor he's playing with given how nuch he is improving every game.
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the improvement in adebayor is also a lot down to the crosses he is getting from Walcott and the through passes from Cesc.
without TH we are playing more like a traditional english team, whether that stays the same when he returns who knows?
I suspect not, as TH is not the first AFC striker to overshadow his strike partner.
At the moment the team is looking for adebayor, but when TH comes back they will look for him first i'm sure.
A more mature midfield would look for both, when this midfield does mature we will be lethal
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without TH we are playing more like a traditional english team, whether that stays the same when he returns who knows?
I suspect not, as TH is not the first AFC striker to overshadow his strike partner.
At the moment the team is looking for adebayor, but when TH comes back they will look for him first i'm sure.
A more mature midfield would look for both, when this midfield does mature we will be lethal
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Arsene Knows, that Gilberto deserves
I beleive that AW has vision with this youngsters( in next 5 years, this
team will win at least 3 premiership titles, and that is based on quality
we have, not only love and pride)
What we need, is replacement for Lehman ( Frey, Ovchynikov, Coupet)
because I dont think that Almunia has the quality to be keeper in AFC.
RvP and Adebayor are brilliant forward and striker, but not clinical as Klose or Villa, simply because they dont have experience, or they have, but insufficient for Arsenal. Just look at Jeremy A.against pompeys(he was lost in space), CAN you imagine that our first 3 strikers might be injured on another CL final! What... then? To recall Lupolli from Derby? No, let him develop skills further, but for the moment we need Klose (he has technique to play in Arsenal, he is lethal in air and he converts chances into gooaals)
Arsenal footbal style/tactics I call not : 4-4-2,4-5-1 or other, but LIGHT CAVALRY,OR HEAVY CAVALRY !
Thanks to that AFC has 38 million fans around the globe, and this guy
who wrote stupid things about Gilberto, is certainly the dummest one!
Remember that Wenger kept Bergkamp till the end, end Denis deserved
honour. Thanks for everything to Sol, Piress, Edu but they wanted more
than club can spare, and that is it. Our youngsters have pride and dignity,
so they can learn more from Giberto. I am very happy that he plays for us.
team will win at least 3 premiership titles, and that is based on quality
we have, not only love and pride)
What we need, is replacement for Lehman ( Frey, Ovchynikov, Coupet)
because I dont think that Almunia has the quality to be keeper in AFC.
RvP and Adebayor are brilliant forward and striker, but not clinical as Klose or Villa, simply because they dont have experience, or they have, but insufficient for Arsenal. Just look at Jeremy A.against pompeys(he was lost in space), CAN you imagine that our first 3 strikers might be injured on another CL final! What... then? To recall Lupolli from Derby? No, let him develop skills further, but for the moment we need Klose (he has technique to play in Arsenal, he is lethal in air and he converts chances into gooaals)
Arsenal footbal style/tactics I call not : 4-4-2,4-5-1 or other, but LIGHT CAVALRY,OR HEAVY CAVALRY !
Thanks to that AFC has 38 million fans around the globe, and this guy
who wrote stupid things about Gilberto, is certainly the dummest one!
Remember that Wenger kept Bergkamp till the end, end Denis deserved
honour. Thanks for everything to Sol, Piress, Edu but they wanted more
than club can spare, and that is it. Our youngsters have pride and dignity,
so they can learn more from Giberto. I am very happy that he plays for us.
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Another goal from our stand-in captain today - 7 so far which is 1 more than TH for the season! ( and are Arsenal finally becoming an aerial threat - shocker !).
A great team result again too, with league goal number 8 for Van Persie, and set up again by Theo ( 3rd assist in the last 4/5 games i think).
we are moving on up.
A great team result again too, with league goal number 8 for Van Persie, and set up again by Theo ( 3rd assist in the last 4/5 games i think).
we are moving on up.
John Corso, are you man enough to write an apology on these pages for your unprovoked written attack on OUR(stand in)captain Gilberto. He is quality(before/after) your pathetic and juvenile attempt to discredit him. Every time Arsenal play it just goes that little bit further in shoving your shitty comments back down your throat and proving what silly little man you are. FOOL.... Here's a quote from Arsene, who, i imagine knows a bit more about football than John Corso. "Our first alert came when he was out injured for some months. We had a problem to win games, but when he came back we won again. Now everybody is realising how important he is for us." 'Nuff said !!.
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