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...is what they have been telling us:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 19886.html

But the Arsenal vice-chairman, David Dein, said: "There is no point in having a great stadium if you haven't got a great team to play in it. All the money Arsène Wenger needs for team-building will still be available.â€

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USMartin, do you have a list of the last 10 years spending by Wenger?

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That they're skint? Simples.

What do you honestly expect? These arent legally binding contracts you are referring to, just a few media quotes. The property crash obviously hit the highbury project hard which has delayed and reduced the projected revenue from filtering down into the club.

No amount of openness on their part or tubthumping on yours is going to change that. Buck up and accept that risks taken in business do not, by definition, always yield maximum results.

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kingjayson1 wrote:USMartin, do you have a list of the last 10 years spending by Wenger?
I have several as the figures are not 100% precise on a lot of figures undisclosed. So I cant say for sure this 100% accurate but this source is a good mate and top Gooner who tends to believe Mr. Wenger is stubborn and won't spend what is available. We have some fun talks as you'd imagine :lol:

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... POQuZ0P6Gg

I have another chart or two that are older and have some different additional break downs of other clubs spending plus the pre-and post - Emirates spending at the time.

A quick breakdown of this chart shows that from 1998 to 2005 the average net spend was in the area of 5.5 million pounds. From 2005 to now the average net protfit has been about 4 million pounds. A shift of about 10 million pounds annually over the last six years from the previous eight.

Hope this helps

Martin

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LDB wrote:That they're skint? Simples.

What do you honestly expect? These arent legally binding contracts you are referring to, just a few media quotes. The property crash obviously hit the highbury project hard which has delayed and reduced the projected revenue from filtering down into the club.

No amount of openness on their part or tubthumping on yours is going to change that. Buck up and accept that risks taken in business do not, by definition, always yield maximum results.
The Highbury Re-dvelopment project actually has already made a porfit of over 30 million pound more than what was projected the property's sale, so unless you are suggesting that that profit actually came form out of the club's pockets as some have suggested here(based on the Asian who sought to buy over 100 flats backing out though this all speculation)I'd say that is again a bit innaccurate at best.

The simple fact whatever the project made or didn't make the real impact in had on spending took place well before the property crash as the spending from 2005-2008 was clerarly rolled back in part because of this project and loan borrowed to finance it, and the fact that the proceeds from selling Highbury were no longer available to pay back the original stadium loan. The property crash was largely irrelevant to the lack of spending as it had already been well and truly underway three full years earlier.

At best the property crash made a questionable decision more questionable as at best it extended a policy of reduced investment in the football team that was already put in place years earlier. The property crash had nothing to do with that policy being put into effect nor the fact that the policy clearly contradict' the Board's stated policy about spending not being adversely affected by these projects during these years. At least they were clear about that with the new stadium. They never got around to discussing the Highbury re-development potential impact on finances. See what I mean about what haven't they told us?

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Have you seriously put together spreadsheets on the club's spending? Jesus.

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No I have not - I have a mate who's a Gooner and made one and there are others which have been made by other Gooners.

Why does it matter to you if you don't care about the sublect as you seem to indicate? You opened this thread and you read it - that's your choice just like it was those people's choice to make the spreadsheets. So what is your problem and why should anyone limit what they discuss because of it especially since you didn't have to read this at all?

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USM, I’m not trying to offend you, but I find your way of thinking very cumbersome and monotonous. That is why I never replied to any of your posts before, because I might not be the most intelligent person in the world, but I just feel that this forum is a good blend of seriousness and banter and nobody on here wants to read 73 paragraphs of a speech prepared by any other member.

This will be the first and last reply to any of your posts I can assure you.

[quote]All the money Arsène Wenger needs for team-building will still be available.â€

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USMartin wrote:Why does it matter to you if you don't care about the sublect as you seem to indicate? You opened this thread and you read it - that's your choice just like it was those people's choice to make the spreadsheets. So what is your problem and why should anyone limit what they discuss because of it especially since you didn't have to read this at all?
I do care about the subject, I believe the board have a lot to answer for and I don't mind debating their successes & failings every now and then. However I don't want to discuss the subject continously on this forum & I don't want to have to sift through page after page of cumbersome facts, figures, reports, spreadsheets & analysis. I come on the forum for a laugh, read about team matters & generally get away from the monotony of work. Bring this up with AISA/AST or someone who have the proper channels of communication for these things.
Do you have an opinion on other Arsenal related matters? Step away from the board issues, chill out & whinge about Denilson or something for a bit.

Secondly you waging this war against the board on this forum will not change anything. The board are quite happy with the way things are going, why do you think they'd make any changes because one message board user has expressed his frustration. I'd hope that if you, or whoever made those spreadsheets had any sense, they'd wake up one day & realise they'd wasted substantial hours/days/weeks of their lives.

You're right, I did choose to read this thread. I opened it in the faint hope of finding something different but alas I was wrong - the usual whinging about the board/spending/cashflow panned out before my eyes. I'm not trying to limit what people post but at the same time i'd expect a bit of common sense & courtesy from other users regarding the quantity & subject matter of new topics. I don't particularly like Fabianski but I don't make thread after thread after thread on the subject.

Rant over. I've generally refrained on commenting on your threads for the last week or so but just wanted to throw my opinion in the mix because to be honest your topics are kinda killing the forum for me at the minute.

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Tin hats :box:

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Us martin, if you were to maybe break up your threads with some nice pics of naked ladies, i feel more people may interact with your debate. Of course if you solely concentrated on naked ladies you may forget all about the financial policies of our fine club. I know nothing about finance or spreadsheets, but i do like boobies and such like.

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mcdowell42 wrote:Tin hats :box:
Pointed in the right direction I fear :-P :-P :-P :-P

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Mega you needn't apologize for simply not liking my views or how I present them though its very decent of you :barscarf: the earlier situation was about QG making a series of deliberatelly false claims about me and my behavior with the motive of undermining the credibility of my opinions by underming my personal credibility. Maybe I am overly sensitive about that particular charge but I am not that overly sensitive about eberything.

As to your points - what I expected is secondary to the expectations their comments created and were intended to create. I think you'd agree there. If you genuinely believe that indeed they were deliberately mis-leading but feel that was correct or appropraite or understandable I feel sorry for you because that is simply incredibly cynical.

Finally this post is abiout as long as yours. Just saying :wink:

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Dan its simple - you chose to open the thread and to read it. You only have to read what you want or sift through what you want. Even if you open thread you can always page back or click on the Arsenal Chat at the top without reading 1 post. Stop trying to put this on me. You're an adult and if you read this you can only blame yourself. Stop moaning. No disrespect but you don't have to read this so I don't have to avoid posting it.

I apologize if I mis-interpreted your attittude as uncaring. I meant you didn't care to discuss ior read about it - and that was pretty clear to be fair. As to me acting alone -I am harly the only Gooner here or elsewhere expressing these concerns. Besides that's why I'm putting a petition together. You ve heard about that I'm sure, no? Well you have now :lol:

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You know what I say stap em up and give em a good beating the little ferrets. Then straight to the fish and chip shop which a cheese grater for vinegar burns...................


























oh shit sorry wrong forum :oops: :lol: :wink:

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