The latest Excuse - OOPS - I Mean Theory

[USMartin]

Here and elsewhere is the "Manager who still thinks he's in the market from 1998" theory - basically that Arsene Wenger is unwilling to pay more for a player than he would have in say 1998. Whether hae'd have paid 7 million Euros for Koscieny then is irrelevant of course as it would undermine the theory for the those desperate to avoid questioning just what role thewBoard and its business plans are playing in the club's competitive future.

Of course like the other theories this one has a large hole in it. - a couple actually. Basically this first theory is first suggesting that a University graduate with a Degree in Economics lacks the intellectual capacity and unsterdaning of market forces to see that the market has changed and to compete in it he must react adjust and increase spending to attract the same players he did say in 1998 or in 2001 or 2004.

Further more it supposes that even if somehow that were true no one had as yet actually suggested the possibility that might be or actuallly was happening in the last five years, but without the least hint of curiosity about that circumstance.

I wonder how many theories these Gooners throughout the web will offer before finally conceding that maybe - just maybe - that maybe the Board could do a little bit more for Arsenal Football Club now.

[USMartin]

[spoona]

personally,i blame the board.

[Naki_Gooner]

What's the view like from that ivory tower of yours?

[djhdjh]

And when are you going to realise that plenty of people do think the board could be doing more but that Wenger deserves some blame as well?

[USMartin]

And when are you going to realise that plenty of people do think the board could be doing more but that Wenger deserves some blame as well?

About when people realize Arsene Wnegr still can't do anything the Board don't fully sanction.

It could be entirely Arsene Wenger theoretically. But even then does it not come down to the Board deciding whether to retain his services or to sack him? Or do you want to tell me that Arsene Wenger has the authority to sack them?

That is why its down to the Board. They can remove Arsene Wenger at any moment for any reason they desire no matter what he is or isn't doing.. This has gone on five years now. Can the Board possibly be so incompetent that they don't realize its going on yet if you believe its all down to Arsene Wenger - not saying you do personally here but do you see my point - and just let it continue like that?

[I Hate Hleb]

Another option is that Wenger could demand the money for transfers and if he were denied it, resign and make clear where the fault lies?

[USMartin]

Another option is that Wenger could demand the money for transfers and if he were denied it, resign and make clear where the fault lies?

He absolutely could - if he believed that to be his duty here. But let's remember our Manager is renowned for his loyalty, and since his employers are the Arsenal Board he may just feel his first loyalty is to them rather than to the supporters with whom his realtionship is limited and largely indirect..

He could also look and see how that worked out for say David O'Leary at Villa, even to a lesser extent for Jose Mourinho at both Chelsea and Inter where cutbacks in funds for team-building factored into his departure to varying extents each time. And given that he would be risking a huge salary that is absolutely secure at this point for even in the best case scenarios available positions where winning your League is not enough to automatically keep your job, he may not feel the desire to risk what he has simply to please supporters.

Its hard for us to see that because well we feel SO strongly about Arsenal that would never enter our minds. But what if we were in that same positiion and would be risking so much to stand up like that?


And then there are those who suggest - and I know of someone who sad a Club Level Member suggested this to them - that perhaps Mr. Wenger is being paid bonuses to meet perforamnce goals such as staying within certain spending limits.

There is no way to know that that were true in this case and if it were the outrage against him and the Board would be more than justifiable. But it does happen in major corporations and our Board brags of how much it runs Arsenal like a business - or one could say a major corporation - and so its not a possibility one can simply rule out automatically.

I would rather not consider such things myself but this is all the more reason why real answers are needed on some of the points of concern outlined in the petition I posted, because the lack of information consistent with the facts we know only allows greater doubt to continue growing to levels like this, to where we believe things we can't believe don't want to believe, and MIGHT NOT actually be true even.

[I Hate Hleb]

In that case he is equally as culpable as the Board!!!

[USMartin]

In that case he is equally as culpable as the Board!!!

Not really - legally perhaps. That's not defend Mr. Wenger, its to suggest that if the Board doesn't want things done this way - they won't be done this way end of. No matter how much power the manager has or has been delegated by the Board. Any manager by any Board for that matter, at the end of the day they are employed by the Boiard not the other way around.

I believe that is they genuinely wanted the manager to spend more and genuinely made more to spend available than is being spent either the manager would be sacked or the money would be spent. I don't believe it has ever been the other way around and isn't now.

[BournemouthRED]

Im not sure i even care

[I Hate Hleb]

He is culpable in the fact that he's wealthy enough and isn't as reliant on retaining his job - personal and family survival wise - as what you or I might be, and therefore would have the financial security to do what he wanted.

Anyway, if their quotes during his time at Arsenal is anything to go by, the Board are so shit scared of losing him that they'd probably suck his knob if he asked them to - never mind find a few extra quid for him to spend on players!!

I doubt him being fearful of being dismissed would be a valid or accurate reason for his compliance if there was something he was dead set against. And so what if the Arsenal Board did sack him? Don't you think with his reputation and record he'd soon find another job in football?

Finally, surely the high moral principals (that I don't doubt he genuinely holds) would ensure that he didn't go along with what he considered to be a charade - especially the way he makes such a big thing about principles
!!!

Therefore he does have the freedom to come out with the truth, if he felt - like you and others obviously do - he was being set up as some sort of 'patsy' by the Arsenal Board.

[USMartin]

No - not a patsy - he'd have to be completely unaware and that strikes me as the last thing he'd be. Taking the fall by choice ala - since you brought up Mr Rumsfeld - Scooter Libby whoi knows his future is absolutely and would have been even if he did time. He took the fall for one of the greater liars and greatest criminals ever to hold high office in America.

Anyway of course the Board don't want Mr. Wenger to leave because if he did whatever the reason the expectations would change dramatically and they couldn't get away with the whole "money is available to spend" schtick another day without actually having to spend it. They couldn't fool his replacement or the supporters for another minute than. So of course they don't want him to leave

[Gooner_Sam]

He is culpable in the fact that he's wealthy enough and isn't as reliant on retaining his job - personal and family survival wise - as what you or I might be, and therefore would have the financial security to do what he wanted.

Anyway, if their quotes during his time at Arsenal is anything to go by, the Board are so shit scared of losing him that they'd probably suck his knob if he asked them to - never mind find a few extra quid for him to spend on players!!

I doubt him being fearful of being dismissed would be a valid or accurate reason for his compliance if there was something he was dead set against. And so what if the Arsenal Board did sack him? Don't you think with his reputation and record he'd soon find another job in football?

Finally, surely the high moral principals (that I don't doubt he genuinely holds) would ensure that he didn't go along with what he considered to be a charade - especially the
way he makes such a big thing about principles
!!!

Therefore he does have the freedom to come out with the truth, if he felt - like you and others obviously do - he was being set up as some sort of 'patsy' by the Arsenal
Board.

A IHH post without a single emotion means serious shit is going down

[BournemouthRED]

He is culpable in the fact that he's wealthy enough and isn't as reliant on retaining his job - personal and family survival wise - as what you or I might be, and therefore would have the financial security to do what he wanted.

Anyway, if their quotes during his time at Arsenal is anything to go by, the Board are so shit scared of losing him that they'd probably suck his knob if he asked them to - never mind find a few extra quid for him to spend on players!!

I doubt him being fearful of being dismissed would be a valid or accurate reason for his compliance if there was something he was dead set against. And so what if the Arsenal Board did sack him? Don't you think with his reputation and record he'd soon find another job in football?

Finally, surely the high moral principals (that I don't doubt he genuinely holds) would ensure that he didn't go along with what he considered to be a charade - especially the
way he makes such a big thing about principles
!!!

Therefore he does have the freedom to come out with the truth, if he felt - like you and others obviously do - he was being set up as some sort of 'patsy' by the Arsenal
Board.

A IHH post without a single emotion means serious shit is going down

His dealer must be out of town