With the call from various quarters to limit the number of non English players in a team it appears to me that some people are missing a very big point.
Lets go back 18 months and Southampton have a good English player called Theo it becomes clear that he has talent, is a great prospect and is English. What is he now worth? So everyone wants him but who can afford him. Manure, Chavs and possibly Arsenal. So what we are saying is either Manure or Chelsea Chavs will buy every top class English player so putting themselves in to there own mini league to win the premiership. Give it 5 years and the Premier league will be just like Scotland. It’s no wonder that red nose from Manure is one of those calling for a change.
This will affect all teams in the premier league. Let’s say West Ham develops a good young English player 1 season playing for the Hammers and he will be gone.
Limit to foreign players.
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Personally don't really care at all about the national side and will actually enjoy it if they miss next summers Euros I can see why it upsets some people we play the majority of our games without an Englishman on the pitch though. I wouldn't mind if they introduced a rule where you got to have at least 2 English players in the side, that need to play a certain number of games a season, say 10. That wouldn't affect the level of the Premiership becuase surely we can find English players as good as Stepanovs, Cygan, Song, Stefan Malz etc?
brady says the english talent in the youths is the best he has ever seen,,
any way because of EU law there is as well as freedom of movement, freedom to work anywhere in the EU so you would have a restriction of trade so the whole law would have to be changed for all european citizens,, all this politic bullshit from bigwigs who earn big bucks and hav to be heard every now and again at uefa blowing crap out there arse's
any way because of EU law there is as well as freedom of movement, freedom to work anywhere in the EU so you would have a restriction of trade so the whole law would have to be changed for all european citizens,, all this politic bullshit from bigwigs who earn big bucks and hav to be heard every now and again at uefa blowing crap out there arse's
Good point, Reb. I can't see it happening, either. In Spain and Italy they have restrictions on the number of non EU players you can have in your side, but not specific nations. Maybe they'll end up enforcing that here. Can you imagine if they really did limit the amount of foreigners you had in your team? What will that do to the morale of English players we sign; knowing they're not good enough and that Arsene doesn't really want them, but he's obligated to buy them.
If they introduced this quota (and it's a big fucking if) then maybe they should look in to also introducing a cap on transfer fees for English players, because how can you justify spending almost £40m on Shaun Wright-Phillips and Darren Bent?
If they introduced this quota (and it's a big fucking if) then maybe they should look in to also introducing a cap on transfer fees for English players, because how can you justify spending almost £40m on Shaun Wright-Phillips and Darren Bent?
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Yep, could'nt agree more. How would it help the England team if we were forced to put players who simply are'nt good enough in the team just because they're English? The only way that England can improve is for English players to be good enough then if they are they'll get into any side. Well any side who can afford a ridiculous transfer fee for them anyway unless they're unusually loyal in this day and age and stay at clubs like Reading, wham, Wigan and the shower of shite up the road that is. The England team is Englands problem, I'm more than happy with what I'm seeing from us atm, if England improve all well and good but Arsenal are my first, second, third, fourth........etc priority and England come a long way down the list, probably after Arsenal reserves and youth, Southend Ud, Celtic, Gretna, Airbus UK and Prescott Cables FCtonysaunders wrote:Good point, Reb. I can't see it happening, either. In Spain and Italy they have restrictions on the number of non EU players you can have in your side, but not specific nations. Maybe they'll end up enforcing that here. Can you imagine if they really did limit the amount of foreigners you had in your team? What will that do to the morale of English players we sign; knowing they're not good enough and that Arsene doesn't really want them, but he's obligated to buy them.
If they introduced this quota (and it's a big fucking if) then maybe they should look in to also introducing a cap on transfer fees for English players, because how can you justify spending almost £40m on Shaun Wright-Phillips and Darren Bent?
This whole thing is so unbelievably British. Our football team isn't performing as it should. Let's blame Johnny Foreigner! It isn't our fault our players aren't good enough to compete with them, it's theirs.
Here's a thought; if our English players aren't good enough to compete with foreign counterparts at club level, how are they going to be able to compete with them at international level if this quota comes in? It's absolute shit. If we had a decent youth setup which produced quality like Clairefontaine, that would 1) make clubs feel less inclined to bring in foreign imports, 2) a flooded market would mean that prices in English players would drop, so they'd be dispersed around evenly and 3) the national team would have a better chance of thriving.
If the English F.A. are not prepared to take responsibility for this, then fuck 'em. I look forward to the quota being put in place. That way, I can have a good old fucking laugh when we fail to qualify for another tournament. I wonder who will get the blame then? Foreign coaches?
Here's a thought; if our English players aren't good enough to compete with foreign counterparts at club level, how are they going to be able to compete with them at international level if this quota comes in? It's absolute shit. If we had a decent youth setup which produced quality like Clairefontaine, that would 1) make clubs feel less inclined to bring in foreign imports, 2) a flooded market would mean that prices in English players would drop, so they'd be dispersed around evenly and 3) the national team would have a better chance of thriving.
If the English F.A. are not prepared to take responsibility for this, then fuck 'em. I look forward to the quota being put in place. That way, I can have a good old fucking laugh when we fail to qualify for another tournament. I wonder who will get the blame then? Foreign coaches?
There's quite an interesting interview with Wenger in FourFourTwo where he talks about international football.
His point is that if you look at the break-up of the USSR and Yugoslavia, where there were 2 international teams now there are 32. Add to that teams like San Marino and the Faroe Islands leaves you with the quality of football at international level going down.
Moreover he points out that all World Cup winners come from populations of at least 50 miliion. So surely to improve the national side England need to be playing other big/populous nations instead of wasting their time on the likes of Andorra?
His point is that if you look at the break-up of the USSR and Yugoslavia, where there were 2 international teams now there are 32. Add to that teams like San Marino and the Faroe Islands leaves you with the quality of football at international level going down.
Moreover he points out that all World Cup winners come from populations of at least 50 miliion. So surely to improve the national side England need to be playing other big/populous nations instead of wasting their time on the likes of Andorra?
Which puts into perspective what the Dutch were able to achieve from being a very,very poor football nation (with a population of around 10m) into a country that not only produced European Cup Winners but a national team that has reached two World Cup finals and further semi-final appearances in major competitions.Juan wrote:There's quite an interesting interview with Wenger in FourFourTwo where he talks about international football.
His point is that if you look at the break-up of the USSR and Yugoslavia, where there were 2 international teams now there are 32. Add to that teams like San Marino and the Faroe Islands leaves you with the quality of football at international level going down.
Moreover he points out that all World Cup winners come from populations of at least 50 miliion. So surely to improve the national side England need to be playing other big/populous nations instead of wasting their time on the likes of Andorra?
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This is the crucial point on this subject, put so well by Rebel.rebel gooner wrote: ... because of EU law there is as well as freedom of movement, freedom to work anywhere in the EU...
If UEFA or the FA, did go ahead with trying to limit the clubs (European) foreign players
I'm sure it would be hauled before the European court, and it would definitely
be judged ILLEGAL.
Unless Alex Ferguson, Gordon Brown, Sepp Blatter, Michel Platini, Jose Mourinho, fleet street editors and all England fans vote for the UK Independence Party in a general election, they pull the country out of the EU and then the FA can do whatever the hell they likeHagbard 23 wrote:This is the crucial point on this subject, put so well by Rebel.rebel gooner wrote: ... because of EU law there is as well as freedom of movement, freedom to work anywhere in the EU...
If UEFA or the FA, did go ahead with trying to limit the clubs (European) foreign players
I'm sure it would be hauled before the European court, and it would definitely
be judged ILLEGAL.
Which puts into perspective what the Dutch were able to achieve from being a very,very poor football nation (with a population of around 10m) into a country that not only produced European Cup Winners but a national team that has reached two World Cup finals and further semi-final appearances in major competitions.[/quote]
Good point Galasso.
I think what should be learned from the Dutch is their desire to coach good technique into players from a young age. Whereas in this country we tend to look for physical attributes first and technique second.
For me this is one of the key reasons why England will always stuggle at international level as strength and courage will get you so far but great technical abilities will give teams that extra edge.
It really annoys me when you see kids who are about 9 playing on full sized pitches with size five balls, whereas in Holland they play on smaller pitches, with fewer players per side. Meaning everyone gets to touch the ball more often and can develop technique.
I also read recently that the Olympic Committe was looking into the correlation between top class British sportsmen & women and when they were born. They gave up halfway through as 95% of findings showed birthdays between September and January, i.e. the oldest per academic year and so the more physically developed (at least until puperty). So the coaches look for youngsters who will deliver immedaitely, rather than natural talent/ability.
Good point Galasso.
I think what should be learned from the Dutch is their desire to coach good technique into players from a young age. Whereas in this country we tend to look for physical attributes first and technique second.
For me this is one of the key reasons why England will always stuggle at international level as strength and courage will get you so far but great technical abilities will give teams that extra edge.
It really annoys me when you see kids who are about 9 playing on full sized pitches with size five balls, whereas in Holland they play on smaller pitches, with fewer players per side. Meaning everyone gets to touch the ball more often and can develop technique.
I also read recently that the Olympic Committe was looking into the correlation between top class British sportsmen & women and when they were born. They gave up halfway through as 95% of findings showed birthdays between September and January, i.e. the oldest per academic year and so the more physically developed (at least until puperty). So the coaches look for youngsters who will deliver immedaitely, rather than natural talent/ability.
As EU law currently stands, that's absolutely right, and the European Commission has consistently said football is no different to any other sector in which peopple are employed, so no exceptions can be made. .... Unless there is a political deal at government level to make a football/sport a special case which would be exempted from the current rules (the way artists are currently exempted). And that's why it's worrying for Brown to be making pro-quota noises.Hagbard 23 wrote:This is the crucial point on this subject, put so well by Rebel.rebel gooner wrote: ... because of EU law there is as well as freedom of movement, freedom to work anywhere in the EU...
If UEFA or the FA, did go ahead with trying to limit the clubs (European) foreign players
I'm sure it would be hauled before the European court, and it would definitely
be judged ILLEGAL.
I completely agree with TS on this, though my particular hobby horse on this issue is the lack of ambition and drive of English players. If these fuckers had half the guts of the various foreign players playing in England, they would try their luck abroad. Nobody forces them to remain in England, they (like their African, Spanish, Dutch, French, German, American, Brazilian, Portuguese, Belorussian etc counterparts) can actually get their arses onto a plane and play first team football elsewhere. It's a bloody competitive envrionment, haven't these idiots learned that yet?? Slag off Reyes all you like for being a homesick mummy's boy, but at least he gave it a go. Until English players actually do something to improve themselves, they should get absolutely no protection or special treatment from anyone.
Sorry, I'll calm down now...
