board and Kronke out, Usmanov in........

Steviegooner · Post by **Steviegooner** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:52 pm

I honestly think our problems lie with the board and not our manager. If there was all this money I would think that a chairman or owner would have the balls to come out publicly and tell the fans that constantly pay over the odds the truth with regards to our transfer policy. Kronke has in the past with his over clubs in America spent heavily on players and has backed the manager heavily. If this is simply a case that wenger does not want to spend money that is available then the board need to act immediately as conceding eight goals even with a thread bear squad is simply unacceptable. A club of the stature of Arsenal should not have a thread bear squad we can no longer rely on kids with no experience as all that happens is that after a spell of bedding them in another club comes and takes them from us. Now Usmanov has publicly said that he would make money available, over a hundred million for transfers (with our supposed 100 million plus at the moment imagine the squad we could bring in and what our wage bill could be). I also believe that he would speak publicly about what goes on and would not allow what is now happening under our current regime happen!!
We need a board and chairman that will back a manager, wenger or whoever else to put The Arsenal were they should be and that is competing for the title every year not for fourth place. Times in football have changed!

Steviegooner · Post by **Steviegooner** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:54 pm

Sorry for the spelling and grammar but I'm writing this from a blackberry in southern turkey after watching it in a small bar having to endure bloody smug northern monkeys faces and poxy accents laughing at my beloved club.

MickeyFabs · Post by **MickeyFabs** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:55 pm

The thing is though, Wenger undoubtably has money to spend.

He has chosen to wait until right before the end of the window before acting.

Steviegooner · Post by **Steviegooner** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:59 pm

But does he have the wage budget the board could stop all this by just stating publicly that there is money available but the manager is deeming that it isn't warranted then we would know its wenger not the board, problem is Wenger would never come out and say he's hands are tied.

Rugby Gooner · Post by **Rugby Gooner** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:03 pm

MickeyFabs wrote:The thing is though, Wenger undoubtably has money to spend.

He has chosen to wait until right before the end of the window before acting.

What drugs are you on?!!

Gunnersaurus · Post by **Gunnersaurus** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:05 pm

For the love of God stop being deluded in thinking that all this is because of money, yes its a problem but the bigger picture is that he simply don't cut it tacticaly in the modern game.

Why would you go to Old Trafford with a depleted team against an inform Championship winning team and think you can out play them and go toe to toe?

He has one way of playing and that don't cut it, he's stayed true to his belief but when it goes wrong like it has been since Feb you simply can't hide behind the old excuses.

It's time to face facts, forget the transfer market, he as a manager has gone stale and his ideas are out dated and stubborn.

MK Gould · Post by **MK Gould** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:08 pm

Think that the board have got off very lightly so far, with most people venting their anger at Wenger.

Whether there is no money, or whether there is but Wenger refuses to spend it makes no odds. Either way it's the board who should be making the decisions and who should be taking most of the blame!

phil_mitchell · Post by **phil_mitchell** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:10 pm

definatly usmanov in. i understand he has a chequerd past but ALL REAL arsenal fans now want him in. i understand he has a corrupt past (according to daily mail) but i dont care i deffinatly want someone with money and who will make the frog spend (he definatly wont want to be made to look bad) i want us to be a rich mans play thing because its been prooved money = success irrelevent of the coaching or tactics
mancini = spend Â£100m top of the league
dalglish= spend money at pool and blackburn, didnt win fuck all at newcastle
fergie = started winning when man u start spending

ect, ect

MK Gould · Post by **MK Gould** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:10 pm

Gunnersaurus wrote:For the love of God stop being deluded in thinking that all this is because of money, yes its a problem but the bigger picture is that he simply don't cut it tacticaly in the modern game.

Why would you go to Old Trafford with a depleted team against an inform Championship winning team and think you can out play them and go toe to toe?

He has one way of playing and that don't cut it, he's stayed true to his belief but when it goes wrong like it has been since Feb you simply can't hide behind the old excuses.

It's time to face facts, forget the transfer market, he as a manager has gone stale and his ideas are out dated and stubborn.

Isn't the Manager an employee of the club.....which is run by the board? Wenger isn't going to change now, but it's the boards choice to keep him and also the boards choice as to any investment in the team.

Jumpers For Goalposts · Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:12 pm

You've made some good points Stevie but I think you've overlooked one important fact mate.

Our current transfer policy has been in place since about 2005 when the Invincibles were broken up and either replaced with kids or not replaced at all. During that 6 year period the Board has changed, changed and changed again (Dein gone / Edelman gone / Bracewell Smith gone / Fizsman gone. Kroenke in. Usmanov kept out for who knows what reason) but the constant factor is :-

Arsene Wenger.

He is the 2nd most powerful Club manager in world football (Ferguson is 1st) so I can't see how anyone can deny that he is behind our transfer & wage policy.

And even if the Board are refusing to make funds available, we still have a wage bill of over Â£110million a year that Wenger spends on utter dog-shite.

Sorry mate but if Wenger got the credit for 2004 - he's sure as hell gotta get the blame for 2011

Steviegooner · Post by **Steviegooner** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:15 pm

Gunnersaurus wrote:For the love of God stop being deluded in thinking that all this is because of money, yes its a problem but the bigger picture is that he simply don't cut it tacticaly in the modern game.

Why would you go to Old Trafford with a depleted team against an inform Championship winning team and think you can out play them and go toe to toe?

He has one way of playing and that don't cut it, he's stayed true to his belief but when it goes wrong like it has been since Feb you simply can't hide behind the old excuses.

It's time to face facts, forget the transfer market, he as a manager has gone stale and his ideas are out dated and stubborn.

Nope sorry I don't buy that, I think Wenger is still quality that's always been there we have never been as successful as we have with him at the helm, we had some good opportunitys today with a poor depleted team, he has brought names in that were unheard of and made them household names, we cannot blame him for loosing them the board should not have allowed them to leave or like in the case of nasri have let them get down to a year left on there contract. I'm not a believer in arsene knows best but truly believe he is an honourable man that lives and breathes arsenal and we all know he would never speak about limitations that the board will place on him.

GunnerTino · Post by **GunnerTino** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:18 pm

Wenger and the board singing from the same
hymn sheet. While we still qualify for the CL then
all is ok,Wenger seems pretty happy with finishing
4th and if we get thru to knockout stages of CL maybe
even last 8 then happy days,he's done his job.

Steviegooner · Post by **Steviegooner** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:22 pm

Jumpers For Goalposts wrote:You've made some good points Stevie but I think you've overlooked one important fact mate.

Our current transfer policy has been in place since about 2005 when the Invincibles were broken up and either replaced with kids or not replaced at all. During that 6 year period the Board has changed, changed and changed again (Dein gone / Edelman gone / Bracewell Smith gone / Fizsman gone. Kroenke in. Usmanov kept out for who knows what reason) but the constant factor is :-

Arsene Wenger.

He is the 2nd most powerful Club manager in world football (Ferguson is 1st) so I can't see how anyone can deny that he is behind our transfer & wage policy.

And even if the Board are refusing to make funds available, we still have a wage bill of over Â£110million a year that Wenger spends on utter dog-shite.

Sorry mate but if Wenger got the credit for 2004 - he's sure as hell gotta get the blame for 2011

Good points mate, I still think that our board are stale and are only thinking of their own agenda, we have never had someone since dein with passion on the board. I think usmanov would bring that. Granted Arsene has a lot of power and I genuinely think he is a tight arse and has never replaced players from our invincible era. The fact is though that if the board accept this then they should all be replaced as powerful as Wenger is they are the ones that can change it all.

TeeCee · Post by **TeeCee** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:28 pm

Jesus Christ some people are deluded.
So the board can force players to sign new contracts?
You must have missed it bud, Gazidis confirmed that Wenger has the final say on Transfers.

Forget money and signings. There is not a more incompetent manager in the PL than Wenger.
In 40 years of watching Arsenal I have never seen a manager so devoid of tactics and basic technical football knowledge.
Wengers management is both shocking and incompetent. The board are definitely partly to blame, for backing Wenger if nothing else.
Our whole club is in deep deep shit and we are just 3 days away from passing the point of no return. Arsenal will be out of the CL next season and I honestly don't know when we can get back in, it will probably be years.

Nos89 · Post by **Nos89** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:29 pm

With recents suggestions that there is conflict between the board and wenger, part of me thinks today debacle was aimed at the board by wenger. Being that he wants to buy big but board won't allow them the wages. BUT by doing so wenger has made himself look a twat because the team is his team. He bought, trains and develops those players. At the end of the day he is accountable for those players.

They are both as guilty of negligence as each other.