As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
An awful lot of conjecture recently about what a JCL is. Having read some threads last night, it seems that a lot of people having supported Arsenal only under the Wenger era are attacking others who have supported the Club for decades pre Wenger.
JCL needn't be a negative term, but it is definitely relevant as it leads to an un-balanced view on matters. The message is that this site has probablty 60% JCLs on it, but a lot of you are in denial.
Just admit you are a JCL if you've only supported Arsenal under Wenger. Don't deny it, embrace it.
im 22 and remember supporting arsenal under GG, the last year he was there,... Tbf though if someones 18 years old for example and followed footsteps of their father they aint guna remember the pre wenger days but it dosn't mean they're a 'JCL'.
topcat wrote:im 22 and remember supporting arsenal under GG, the last year he was there,... Tbf though if someones 18 years old for example and followed footsteps of their father they aint guna remember the pre wenger days but it dosn't mean they're a 'JCL'.
topcat wrote:im 22 and remember supporting arsenal under GG, the last year he was there,... Tbf though if someones 18 years old for example and followed footsteps of their father they aint guna remember the pre wenger days but it dosn't mean they're a 'JCL'.
I think, and correct me if I am wrong, but frank isnt exactly having a go at jcl's for being jcl's (we all had to start somewhere) or for expressing their opinions but rather for being overly agressive when defending wenger and/or the club considering that they have never known an Arsenal before wenger came along and therefore have nothing to compare with or have no concept of the stature of our club pre wenger.
Btw of late some of us realists have been overly agressive/abusive/insulting in mocking the opinions of others too
JCL is an insult similar 'glory hunters' but we were all JCL at some stage. Alienating new support because they don't agree with you is not the way forward.
From what I see, it seems JCL are those they dont agree with.
I'm 23, started supporting AFC in 2001, before that I wasn't into football.
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topcat wrote:im 22 and remember supporting arsenal under GG, the last year he was there,... Tbf though if someones 18 years old for example and followed footsteps of their father they aint guna remember the pre wenger days but it dosn't mean they're a 'JCL'.
I think, and correct me if I am wrong, but frank isnt exactly having a go at jcl's for being jcl's (we all had to start somewhere) or for expressing their opinions but rather for being overly agressive when defending wenger and/or the club considering that they have never known an Arsenal before wenger came along and therefore have nothing to compare with or have no concept of the stature of our club pre wenger.
Btw of late some of us realists have been overly agressive/abusive/insulting in mocking the opinions of others too
He is really though isn't he.... JCL's is a pretty negative term!
My son's are both "JCL"'s if it includes those who just happened to have been born and brought up in the Wenger dynasty. But both of them are much more anti-Wenger than I am!
I think JCL should be restricted to those aged about 30+ who jumped on the Arsenal band wagon when we had so much success and played great football in the early part of his leadership.
PS Is there anyone left who is still in denial..... I can't remember the last time i spoke to ANY Arsenal fan who thought things were rosy!
What defines a JCL? Is it linked to being a glory hunter? If it is we haven't had any new JCLs in the last 7 years.
Is it starting supporting under Wenger?
What about if you are a youngster brought to Arsenal by your dad (like 2 of my sons)?
To be honest, if you were a glory hunter in the late 90's and early naughties and chose Arsenal and have stuck with us through the last 7 years, well done, welcome, you're one of us. The glory hunters have surely gone.
If you want to see JCLs go to the Emirates upper tier where they are the majority. The ones who sit on their Iphone the whole game.
Not everyone can be grouped though. You can want Wenger out but not hate him, I do. Most of us want Wenger out, but some of the abuse is completely OTT especially lately.
Irish Gooner wrote:JCLs and the AKB are not the same.
They are plenty of older AKBS.
They are plenty of JCLs who want Wenger out.
If you want to see JCLs go to the Emirates upper tier where they are the majority. The ones who sit on their Iphone the whole game.
Not everyone can be grouped though. You can want Wenger out but not hate him, I do. Most of us want Wenger out, but some of the abuse is completely OTT especially lately.
JCL is normally a negative term. I don't think it needs to be. You have to understand that if you've only known Wenger, you don't know any different. That can work in two ways i) You think the sun shines out of his arse. ii) You can see how he's declined from magician to dementia. Equally those who have supported Arsenal for 30 years see it both ways i) Wenger now is better than we've had for much of those 30 years ii) Wenger's Arsenal lack passion and fight.
Doesn't really matter whether you're a JCL or a supporter over 30 years. It doesn't sterotype your views.
frankbutcher wrote:JCL is normally a negative term. I don't think it needs to be. You have to understand that if you've only known Wenger, you don't know any different. That can work in two ways i) You think the sun shines out of his arse. ii) You can see how he's declined from magician to dementia. Equally those who have supported Arsenal for 30 years see it both ways i) Wenger now is better than we've had for much of those 30 years ii) Wenger's Arsenal lack passion and fight.
Doesn't really matter whether you're a JCL or a supporter over 30 years. It doesn't sterotype your views.
frankbutcher wrote:JCL is normally a negative term. I don't think it needs to be. You have to understand that if you've only known Wenger, you don't know any different. That can work in two ways i) You think the sun shines out of his arse. ii) You can see how he's declined from magician to dementia. Equally those who have supported Arsenal for 30 years see it both ways i) Wenger now is better than we've had for much of those 30 years ii) Wenger's Arsenal lack passion and fight.
Doesn't really matter whether you're a JCL or a supporter over 30 years. It doesn't sterotype your views.
frankbutcher wrote:JCL is normally a negative term. I don't think it needs to be. You have to understand that if you've only known Wenger, you don't know any different. That can work in two ways i) You think the sun shines out of his arse. ii) You can see how he's declined from magician to dementia. Equally those who have supported Arsenal for 30 years see it both ways i) Wenger now is better than we've had for much of those 30 years ii) Wenger's Arsenal lack passion and fight.
Doesn't really matter whether you're a JCL or a supporter over 30 years. It doesn't sterotype your views.
What the hell is the point of this thread
if you get what i mean.
A bit hypocritical. You're the biggest waste of space on this site.
frankbutcher wrote:An awful lot of conjecture recently about what a JCL is. Having read some threads last night, it seems that a lot of people having supported Arsenal only under the Wenger era are attacking others who have supported the Club for decades pre Wenger.
JCL needn't be a negative term, but it is definitely relevant as it leads to an un-balanced view on matters. The message is that this site has probablty 60% JCLs on it, but a lot of you are in denial.
Just admit you are a JCL if you've only supported Arsenal under Wenger. Don't deny it, embrace it.
I don't think the pro and anti Wenger camps are as clearly cut along JCL and old skool lines.
I think you're desperately trying to conflate one with the other and making an idiot of yourself in the process