Where do you lot stand on individual TV deals?
Where do you lot stand on individual TV deals?
Just seen an article that mentions that Liverpool are wanting to discuss doing away with the collective overseas TV deal and want to campaign to be allowed to sell their rights individually
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011 ... ay-tv-deal
What do you lot think of this? Commercially speaking I can understand the argument- people in Japan don't want to watch Swansea or Bolton (or Sunderland), they want to watch the "big 4" (no doubt the arseholes will soon start wanting to watch Man City as well) so in theory why should clubs like yourselves accept a broadly equal share of the TV money when you are one of the clubs they most want to watch? At the same time, as a fan of one of the smaller clubs in terms of interational appeal, I fear that this will simply serve to make the PL even less competitive at a time when things such as the fair play rules are, at least in theory, supposed to be increasing competition.
I think Liverpool are shitting themselves because they are worried about a prolonged absense from the CL leading them to become just another of the many also rans in the "best league in the world". They are realising that stature and size guarantees fuck all in a sport dominated by money so are desperately trying to find a way to get more of it for themselves as they know that if they stay out of the CL for a few years, the interest abroad will die down and they'll miss the boat.
In many ways, I cant really argue the case against letting clubs negotiate their own foreign TV deals but I would hate to see a situation where clubs with billionaire owners get the best players because of having billionaire owners (I know we have one like but still, we're the exception in that we have a billionaire owner and still buy shite), they then get in the CL and get shit loads of money from being in the CL and then they can sell their own TV deal on top and because of getting in the CL and the coverage that brings, they can get more money again. It just means that you'll find Man United, Chelsea, Man City and then probably (possibly) one of Arsenal and Liverpool pulling ridiculously far ahead of the other sides in terms of wealth to the point where it really ceases to be a sport as there is even less chance of a side breaking into the upper echelons without an injection of billions of pounds.
Just wondering if anyone on here would oppose the idea despite being on the other side of the fence as it were, or if everyone agrees that whilst it isnt the best for the sport, it is actually the fairest way of proceeding. I cant really argue against it, but I still hope it doesnt happen. If it does happen, it'll be just another step towards a european super league. TBH you almost wish these fucking "super clubs" would just get on with it, have their shitty super league and fuck off, leaving the rest of the clubs to have a bit more of an open tournament, albeit one with much less coverage and much less money, but there you go
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011 ... ay-tv-deal
What do you lot think of this? Commercially speaking I can understand the argument- people in Japan don't want to watch Swansea or Bolton (or Sunderland), they want to watch the "big 4" (no doubt the arseholes will soon start wanting to watch Man City as well) so in theory why should clubs like yourselves accept a broadly equal share of the TV money when you are one of the clubs they most want to watch? At the same time, as a fan of one of the smaller clubs in terms of interational appeal, I fear that this will simply serve to make the PL even less competitive at a time when things such as the fair play rules are, at least in theory, supposed to be increasing competition.
I think Liverpool are shitting themselves because they are worried about a prolonged absense from the CL leading them to become just another of the many also rans in the "best league in the world". They are realising that stature and size guarantees fuck all in a sport dominated by money so are desperately trying to find a way to get more of it for themselves as they know that if they stay out of the CL for a few years, the interest abroad will die down and they'll miss the boat.
In many ways, I cant really argue the case against letting clubs negotiate their own foreign TV deals but I would hate to see a situation where clubs with billionaire owners get the best players because of having billionaire owners (I know we have one like but still, we're the exception in that we have a billionaire owner and still buy shite), they then get in the CL and get shit loads of money from being in the CL and then they can sell their own TV deal on top and because of getting in the CL and the coverage that brings, they can get more money again. It just means that you'll find Man United, Chelsea, Man City and then probably (possibly) one of Arsenal and Liverpool pulling ridiculously far ahead of the other sides in terms of wealth to the point where it really ceases to be a sport as there is even less chance of a side breaking into the upper echelons without an injection of billions of pounds.
Just wondering if anyone on here would oppose the idea despite being on the other side of the fence as it were, or if everyone agrees that whilst it isnt the best for the sport, it is actually the fairest way of proceeding. I cant really argue against it, but I still hope it doesnt happen. If it does happen, it'll be just another step towards a european super league. TBH you almost wish these fucking "super clubs" would just get on with it, have their shitty super league and fuck off, leaving the rest of the clubs to have a bit more of an open tournament, albeit one with much less coverage and much less money, but there you go
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Sounds like a load of bollocks to me.
Still would get the same matches in Ireland as you do over there anyway so it wouldnt have an impact here I dont think?
Might be just me but Im actually fed up with these modern day Premier League Executives, looking for as much money as theyget their greasy hands on!
Still would get the same matches in Ireland as you do over there anyway so it wouldnt have an impact here I dont think?
Might be just me but Im actually fed up with these modern day Premier League Executives, looking for as much money as theyget their greasy hands on!
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I actually think its a good idea.
In my opinion the lower leagues would not be effected as its only the top flight leagues that get international coverage anyway.
What it would do, is push clubs to prove thier weight. And in our case try and improve. Because it will show just how many are interested. We hear the talk of waiting lists for season tickets and thousand desperate to come and see our club. the amazing buisness models and infestructure....well lets see how that help when selling international rites for your own games!!!!
I have a feeling our transfer spending would go up slightly.
In my opinion the lower leagues would not be effected as its only the top flight leagues that get international coverage anyway.
What it would do, is push clubs to prove thier weight. And in our case try and improve. Because it will show just how many are interested. We hear the talk of waiting lists for season tickets and thousand desperate to come and see our club. the amazing buisness models and infestructure....well lets see how that help when selling international rites for your own games!!!!
I have a feeling our transfer spending would go up slightly.

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ITS GOING TO HAPPEN SOON
It's the reason Kroenke is at the club,he feels that individual TV rights are the way forward and frankly he may be right .
Hell if it works he might spend some money on players for the "FRANCHISE" that is Arsenal Football Club !
Hell if it works he might spend some money on players for the "FRANCHISE" that is Arsenal Football Club !
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Must admit, this is pretty much how I feel, I'm fucking sick of it all being about money because that stops football from being a sport. The only thing is I've always maintained that I dont mind clubs getting more money than SAFC if its money theyve generated through the club (like if you have a massive sponsorship deal then thats fair enough, you've marketed your club well enough to get it and other clubs could, if the playing field in other areas was more level and so success could be achieved, match or better it), but whilst I oppose the idea of individual rights, it would be money that you have generated through the success of your club and so would be football generated revenue imo which means i wouldnt really have grounds for complaint. I still wish all the super clubs would fuck off though, either that or that footballs bubble would just burst and we could go back to enjoying the sport again.REBEL GOONER wrote:it would be good for arsenal but would also give manu a whole lot of more money then we would get, overall it would fuck up a lot of teams and we could end up like spain where every team struggles excect two.
greed is bad and will destroy football at some stage. sooner the better
It would be interesting to see just how it works though- if clubs like Liverpool and Arsenal want it, I'm not so sure they would want it to help them compete on the pitch, the main benefit would be more turnover (which could end up making it an issue for the Arsenal FC not PLC lot at some point). My reasoning for this is that it would mean more money for Arsenal and it would help you pull away from "the pack", but the difference between your income and the likes of Man United's would actually grow, making it harder to compete for titles. I also wonder just how much these rights would be valued at- Liverpool seem to think they could be like Barca or Real, but the fact is these foreign fans (with exceptions of course) arent die hard supporters, they're liable to flit from team to team and will always follow success. England has too many "big" teams- Arsenal, Man United, Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City cant all win the league or CL, I reckon only 3 top teams could ever be sustained so I think 2 of the 5 at the top would get a nasty shock when interest wanes and 2 or 3 of them find themselves well ahead of the pack
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Aye, I noticed that they weren't so keen to bleat on about it when they were raking in CL money every season. Now that wells dried up for them they're getting desperate.Gunnersaurus wrote:Seems like a desperate attempt by Liverpool to keep up with United who have left them behind, pretty much like when Gartside wanted to stop relegation from the PL, all self serving.
Am totally totally totally against it - one of the things that is much better about the nfl is the draft and salary cap system which is designed to have some level of parity in the game and is fair to all and while I know that system can never be applied to football (cos of the different countries etc) bringing in individual tv deals would absolutely kill competition in the game except for the elite
As rebs has said already, it is greed that is killing this game from the owners right down to the kids in the academies and that is sad. Personally I am against the financial fair play plan but by the same token I do believe that the champs league should be reverted to the champions of each country only (or at most the top 2 from each country). We all rightly slate fifa and uefa for being corrupt dickheads but they have allowed themselves to be bullied by the big clubs in europe over this which has allowed the big clubs to feed off a cash cow not available to the smaller clubs so trying to bring in the ffp under the fair competition argument is hypocritical and utter bullshit to me

As rebs has said already, it is greed that is killing this game from the owners right down to the kids in the academies and that is sad. Personally I am against the financial fair play plan but by the same token I do believe that the champs league should be reverted to the champions of each country only (or at most the top 2 from each country). We all rightly slate fifa and uefa for being corrupt dickheads but they have allowed themselves to be bullied by the big clubs in europe over this which has allowed the big clubs to feed off a cash cow not available to the smaller clubs so trying to bring in the ffp under the fair competition argument is hypocritical and utter bullshit to me
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Easy DB now take that poor pony for a quick ride round the estateDB10GOONER wrote:I just can't believe that Herd/Rahim has not taken this opportunity to post a witty quip about owning a 72 inch plasma screen tv in his luxury apartment in New York and/or Monaco!!![]()
Maybe school is hotting up for him. Exams and shit, huh?
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