Roberto Martinez

Bendtners Drinking Buddy · Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:27 pm

Don't start many threads, but want to see what the opinions were on Roberto Martinez - could he be a future Arsenal manager?

It sounds a bit strange at first, but he does instruct his teams to get the ball down and play and doesnt deviate from that Mantra - he has had some success in the past - particularly with Swansea and he has kept Wigan in the Premeirship despite no real fan base, no resources and limited ability in the squad (hard to attract top quality players to the DW!).

Along with the football philosophy (whatever manager comes in that must stay - its our identity and to our credit) I like the fact he is respectful, and very loyal to the cause (I cant see any future manager lasting 15 years like Wenger, but stability after him is important) - he is loyal and has a lot of dignity about him - something that matches with the class and tradition of Arsenal Football Club.

Im not saying he would be my first choice - but I think he could be a suprise candidate when the time comes - he would be a massive risk given he hasnt competed at the top level, but the more I think about him the more he seems to "fit" if you like............and i doubt he would demand high wages either and can obviously work within a budget -perfect!!!

The Arsenal job aside I do have a lot of respect for him and id liek to see him succeed somewhere higher up the Premier League - could he be a contender? Would it be too much of a risk and not one worth taking? But wouldnt most managers be after 15 years of Wenger? Am i still drunk from last night?

Rosie_titters · Post by **Rosie_titters** » Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:30 pm

no fuck off, don't want that clown at my club - ffs Hiddink is available, Wenger has hinted he will fuck off in the summer

now the board should be bending over backwards, to sign Hiddink up in May - when Wenger fucks off

Bendtners Drinking Buddy · Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:32 pm

Rosie_titters wrote:no fuck off, don't want that clown at my club - ffs Hiddink is available, Wenger has hinted he will fuck off in the summer

now the board should be bending over backwards, to sign Hiddink up in May - when Wenger fucks off

Not sure Hiddink will want a full-time Job and if he does, will go back Tto Chelsea (AVB wont last long).

Not sure the likes of Hiddink could offer the long-term Stability either- bit of a job hopper.

Quality Manager though, dont disagree with that, with massive Pedigree.

Rosie_titters · Post by **Rosie_titters** » Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:38 pm

it seems to me there is a cancer running through the club, where we should accept 3rd or 4th in the league and be grateful.

i want PL titles, FA Cups, Champion league cups - not settle for a 4th place finish and a semi final in a cup and feel, we done well

augie · Post by **augie** » Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:41 pm

I agree with bdb in that martinez does appear to me at least to be a potential Arsenal manager of the future. With the style being more important than substance in the modern day Arsenal FC martinez would def fit the bill as he has always had his teams playing great football despite never having money to bring in quality ball playing footballers. Of course everything is relevent and success to clubs like swansea and wigan wouldnt class as success to a club like ours (or at least in the past it wouldnt

) so for me I would like to see him step up to a 2nd tier club like everton or villa (yes you are 2nd tier you scummy brummie *word censored*

) and see how he performs at that level but he is def a manager with potential imo

Bendtners Drinking Buddy · Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:44 pm

Rosie_titters wrote:it seems to me there is a cancer running through the club, where we should accept 3rd or 4th in the league and be grateful.

i want PL titles, FA Cups, Champion league cups - not settle for a 4th place finish and a semi final in a cup and feel, we done well

I certainly do not call 3rd or 4th true success - although id snap your hand off for that position now given our start to the season and the form of the top two, and be bloody happy with it for this season -it is, like it or not, the maximum level the current squad is at, most would say its an over acheivment for the current squad (not the club as a whole).

Martinez would be a massive, massive risk and as i said, would not be my first choice. I just think he could, possibly, be a contender. I think at a bigger club he could succeed, its just whether he gets that chance - Wigan look goners already and he could fall by the wayside in the Championship.....would have been interesting to see him at Villa.

Post by **QuartzGooner** » Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:48 pm

Agree with Augie.

See how he does at top ten club then a top six club before we employ him.

(Yes, I know we are top six but hopefully not for long!)

Bendtners Drinking Buddy · Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:53 pm

QuartzGooner wrote:Agree with Augie.

See how he does at top ten club then a top six club before we employ him.

(Yes, I know we are top six but hopefully not for long!)

Def would have been interetsing to see him at Villa - if he could change the mentality of a side in the Doldrums - now they are stuck with "Mr Attack" McLeish.

Sadly, i think Wigan will go down and Martinez may have to wait a long time for a chance.

Could be a shout for a number 2 perhaps? Want Arsenal to keep the "footballing mentality" - success is the most important thing, no question - but for me, playing the way we play is important and id hate us to regress away from it post-Wenger (doesnt mean we cant shore up a bit at the back!)

Roberto Matteo had a lot of success but his squad could not compete with the big boys. he is now no.2 at Chelsea - i couldnt comment really if he has had any positive effect at all though!

Post by **g88ner** » Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:59 pm

Bendtners Drinking Buddy wrote:Wigan look goners already

That's my concern. He's done nothing at Wigan that tells us he's capable of anything extraordinary in management that deserves fast-tracking him to a truly great club like The Arsenal.

And it would be fast-tracking him based on potential, because he certainly hasn't earned the right yet.

He appeared to do quite well at Swansea, although I don't know enough about the financial circumstances, as having money in the lower leagues makes things much, much easier.

I'd be very underwhelmed at this point if he was our manager, but there's plenty of examples where clubs have taken a punt on a young manager and been rewarded... then again, there's plenty of examples of when it hasn't worked out, too!

Anyway, Wenger won't be going any time soon (Sorry Rosie, but your dream of Hiddink in May isn't going to happen!) so there's plenty of time for Martinez - and other managers - to make their mark in the game and earn the right to guide us to glory in the future.

TeeCee · Post by **TeeCee** » Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:59 pm

I did like him until recently, when he tried to defend Alcaraz spitting by saying he didn't realise the culture in this country. What country in the world thinks its ok to spit on someone? He went right downhill in my estimations dealing with that. Very poor.

Bendtners Drinking Buddy · Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:05 pm

TeeCee wrote:I did like him until recently, when he tried to defend Alcaraz spitting by saying he didn't realise the culture in this country. What country in the world thinks its ok to spit on someone? He went right downhill in my estimations dealing with that. Very poor.

Thats a fair point, im always cautious with the Media spinning things mind, but on the face of it that was poor.

Defending players whatever the circumstances....remind you of anyone?

arseofacrow · Post by **arseofacrow** » Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:21 pm

Bendtners Drinking Buddy wrote:
TeeCee wrote:I did like him until recently, when he tried to defend Alcaraz spitting by saying he didn't realise the culture in this country. What country in the world thinks its ok to spit on someone? He went right downhill in my estimations dealing with that. Very poor.
Thats a fair point, im always cautious with the Media spinning things mind, but on the face of it that was poor.

Defending players whatever the circumstances....remind you of anyone?

djhdjh · Post by **djhdjh** » Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:39 pm

g88ner wrote:
Bendtners Drinking Buddy wrote:Wigan look goners already
He appeared to do quite well at Swansea, although I don't know enough about the financial circumstances, as having money in the lower leagues makes things much, much easier.

Swansea didn't have much money and stormed L1 by 10 points, then nearly made the play offs again in the Championship. However his spell at Wigan has been rubbish, Jewell and Bruce both got them into mid table safety (Jewell had a relegation battle too) and he hasn't managed it and is getting them relegated now. Too focused on pwetty football and not enough on doing what is required for results.

Seriously, how low do people think we've fallen that the best we can do is the manager of the team bottom of the Premiership? We should be looking at the 2nd tier of top European managers (Ancelotti, Van Gaal - though I think he's 1st tier personally, Hiddink - that sort of level) or an up and comer who has done well in winning something or doing something exceptional with a team from the lesser European leagues/the Premiership itself.

SpanishJoe · Post by **SpanishJoe** » Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:47 pm

It will be a immense moment in AFC history when AW goes and, for whoever comes in, a huge challenge.
I like Martinez as a man and a manager but don't think he's a strong enough personality to take over.

Many 'the king is dead ..' moments result in a short-lived lived successor, a period of poor results and then a new era. It will be very difficult to go from AW to another 'big' manager.
However, I'd still go for a big name. Guardiola knows how to win, likes English football and speaks excellent English, would have the respect of all players and attract new ones.
The concensus, which Pep has himself fuelled, is that he won't stay at Barca for much longer. Maybe he'd like a challenge.

augie · Post by **augie** » Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:03 pm

djhdjh wrote:
g88ner wrote:
Bendtners Drinking Buddy wrote:Wigan look goners already
He appeared to do quite well at Swansea, although I don't know enough about the financial circumstances, as having money in the lower leagues makes things much, much easier.
Swansea didn't have much money and stormed L1 by 10 points, then nearly made the play offs again in the Championship. However his spell at Wigan has been rubbish, Jewell and Bruce both got them into mid table safety (Jewell had a relegation battle too) and he hasn't managed it and is getting them relegated now. Too focused on pwetty football and not enough on doing what is required for results.

Seriously, how low do people think we've fallen that the best we can do is the manager of the team bottom of the Premiership? We should be looking at the 2nd tier of top European managers (Ancelotti, Van Gaal - though I think he's 1st tier personally, Hiddink - that sort of level) or an up and comer who has done well in winning something or doing something exceptional with a team from the lesser European leagues/the Premiership itself.

Read the comments again mate......nobody is saying that martinez should replace wenger but we are saying that down the line he could be a potential AFC manager. It's funny that owen coyle is continually lauded as a future manager but is in charge of a bolton side in real danger of being relegated this season despite having a lot more money at his disposal than martinez