Whats the point anymore, money's ruined everything.

romfordwisp · Post by **romfordwisp** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:25 pm

We lose to city well no surprise, if you chuck enough money at anything in the end your win and thats whats happening now at city, what the point of going to football anymore chucking hundreds just to come close but win nothing theres no level playing field, if city offer RVP Â£250k a week he'll be gone and we will be really shit then (if we aint already).
i know people say well you can only play 11, but they can buy your best players so your team is shit.
I'm getting very disillusioned with football and its not just sour grapes, how long will it be before theres a player on a million a week, not long.
There should have been some sort of salary cap years ago.
I'm chucking my season ticket next year after 11 years, ill get a red membership that'll do.
I cant be like some who go just for the day out with the lads what ever the result... I dont know how teams like wigan etc get fans who buy season tickets to go every week for a life of misery... Its all getting spoilt and crap....

safcftm · Post by **safcftm** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:33 pm

It is getting ridiculous and its hardly a sport when one or two sides spend countless millions that they havent earned on the pitch to ensure they win things but until the bubble bursts theres not much that can be done about it. If you dont enjoy the whole just going along for the day out with your mates and getting pissed thing then I can quite understand getting rid of a season ticket- matches themselves are generally dull, atmosphereless affairs. Still, it could be worse, plenty of others have to support the likes of Rochdale and Shrewsbury, they dont even get a few chances a season to piss off sky and a load of plastic wankers by getting a surprise win at chelsea, man united or man city. Probably more annoying for an arsenal fan right enough because you should be aiming for a lot more than that, but unfortunately i cant see it changing for a good while yet

augie · Post by **augie** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:38 pm

Okay the basis of what you are saying is obviously true but money isnt the only thing surely ? When we had a talented manager (GG) he was able to tactically outwit opposition teams and negate their strengths as well as playing to our own skills. Our manager doesnt coach set pieces, doesnt do defensive coaching, def doesnt do tactics of any type and cant be arsed to studying film of opposition teams and talks only about his own team

Money counts for a lot but not everything and as baba will no doubt point out, we have a wage bill that far exceeds that of the scum and as performances v blackburn,barcodes,dortmund and fulham have shown money aint helping us fcuk all either

topgoon · Post by **topgoon** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:55 pm

It's not just about money(bloody helps though) but we had 2 players on the pitch in the last 20mins who are a waste of money. I'd swap both Arseshavins and the Chamakh for a Mata or Silva.

Both utterly useless. Walnutt wasn't far behind that.

Alex Ox-C,Frimpong and a plank of wood would have been more effective today.

They've got money, we've got to live with it but as far as our club's concerned poor buys and rigid stupid tactics lost us that game.

How dangerous were we on the counter attack. WTF can't we just sit and hit on the counter.

Would it hurt Gerv,Walnutt and Rambo for that matter to practice their shooting

All the bollocks about "what a great game for the neutrals", "take the positives", blah,blah load of old cock.

The only thing that counts is we lost when we shouldn't have and that had sweet FA to do with money.

SteveO 35 · Post by **SteveO 35** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:59 pm

The point is, that a club like Manchester United, indebted but run on proper financial means are still able to compete with them and are currently two points behind

The point is that Bayern Munich and Napoli were able to knock them out of the CL, and I fully expect Porto to do the same to them in the Europa League

The point is if Arsenal spent half of the Â£80m cash at bank they have (number as published in financial statements + summer window profits) and signed a striker or 'Number 10' of true European class they wouldn't be far off competing too

However, if you live in Arsene's "the end of the world is nigh" waiting for the renowned "White Knights" of UEFA to come galloping over the hills on the horses of Financial Fair Play.....then you're right...there really is no fucking point whatsoever

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:07 pm

Money still hasn't bought the chats the CL.

donaldo · Post by **donaldo** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:11 pm

My problem isnt the money in the game but who gets it.Wenger on Â£7m for what? Arshavin Walcott and Chamakh on Â£70k a week.Deadwood like Diaby Bendtner and Rosicky taking home Â£60k a week.Lets be honest we reward our manger and players for failure.

If Mancini doesnt will the title this year he will probably be sacked.If we finish outside the top 4 will Wenger?Not a chance

franksav63 · Post by **franksav63** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:12 pm

Boomer wrote:Money still hasn't bought the chats the CL.

Nice one Boomer... Top Boomerism...

franksav63 · Post by **franksav63** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:13 pm

donaldo wrote:My problem isnt the money in the game but who gets it.Wenger on Â£7m for what? Arshavin Walcott and Chamakh on Â£70k a week.Deadwood like Diaby Bendtner and Rosicky taking home Â£60k a week.Lets be honest we reward our manger and players for failure.

If Mancini doesnt will the title this year he will probably be sacked.If we finish outside the top 4 will Wenger?Not a chance/

Perhaps he'll get the England job.... Let's hope..

Red Member · Post by **Red Member** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:28 pm

augie wrote:Okay the basis of what you are saying is obviously true but money isnt the only thing surely ? When we had a talented manager (GG) he was able to tactically outwit opposition teams and negate their strengths as well as playing to our own skills. Our manager doesnt coach set pieces, doesnt do defensive coaching, def doesnt do tactics of any type and cant be arsed to studying film of opposition teams and talks only about his own team

Money counts for a lot but not everything and as baba will no doubt point out, we have a wage bill that far exceeds that of the scum and as performances v blackburn,barcodes,dortmund and fulham have shown money aint helping us fcuk all either

I agree that GG was a very good manager but it is very naive to compare football in his era with that of today. The OP is correct. Money rules. Wenger could do no more today.

if he had the money that Mancini has at his disposal Wenger's team would look like the Man City team that won today. It is perhaps a little ironic that he actually bought/tried to buy many of the players currently playing and associated with City - Nasri, Clichy, Toure K, Toure Y, Vieira

Red Member · Post by **Red Member** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:28 pm

augie wrote:Okay the basis of what you are saying is obviously true but money isnt the only thing surely ? When we had a talented manager (GG) he was able to tactically outwit opposition teams and negate their strengths as well as playing to our own skills. Our manager doesnt coach set pieces, doesnt do defensive coaching, def doesnt do tactics of any type and cant be arsed to studying film of opposition teams and talks only about his own team

Money counts for a lot but not everything and as baba will no doubt point out, we have a wage bill that far exceeds that of the scum and as performances v blackburn,barcodes,dortmund and fulham have shown money aint helping us fcuk all either

I agree that GG was a very good manager but it is very naive to compare football in his era with that of today. The OP is correct. Money rules. Wenger could do no more today.

if he had the money that Mancini has at his disposal Wenger's team would look like the Man City team that won today. It is perhaps a little ironic that he actually bought/tried to buy many of the players currently playing and associated with City - Nasri, Clichy, Toure K, Toure Y, Vieira

TeeCee · Post by **TeeCee** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:37 pm

Of course money ultimately makes a difference, but it shouldn't stop a club like Arsenal making a very serious challenge. I know people don't like giving Spuds much kudos but they are looking like decent challengers and their wage bill is not far off half of ours! They also don't spend a fortune. With a more ambitious board and in particular, a more capable manager, we could be right up there. Our biggest problem remains the same ie: Wenger. HE is the primary reason Arsenal are struggling to compete currently, partly through filling the squad with hugely overpaid wastes of space and partly through poor coaching/tactics.
The problem isn't only money!!

Number 5 · Post by **Number 5** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:50 pm

TeeCee is exactly correct.

Money is a weak excuse as to why we don't challenge anymore.

Over the last few years our team has been dismantled and replaced with inferior replacements. When we have been in a positon to look like something could happen and good sound investment was all that would be required we sat on our hands doing nothing or bringing back Invincibles for a few months at a time.

Money is not the reason that we now play poor football with average players.

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:11 pm

franksav63 wrote:
Boomer wrote:Money still hasn't bought the chats the CL.
Nice one Boomer... Top Boomerism...

Fucking auto correct on the iPhone isn't helping my cred.

(not that I had any!)

Post by **QuartzGooner** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:18 pm

There was a time when we were such big spenders that we were called "The Bank of England Club".

Not just how much you have, it is how you spend it.