Kein Zwanni calls out for Hamburg boycott

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Kein Zwanni calls out for Hamburg boycott

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Dear All,
The basic fan scene will boycott BVB Sunday game in Hamburg due to the high ticket prices. The supporters will travel to Hamburg but they will not go inside the stadium. They will stay outside in front of the stadium and listen to the radio broadcast. The campaign: 'Kein Zwanni - Football must be payable'
Which means: No twenty Euros (because this is normally the border for standing tickets) - Football must be payable, is targeting the entire ticket prices in the German league. We think that the prices are already too high for every people to effort going to the game. We know that the prices in England are way much higher, but we don't want to fall into the same pitfall. In Germany the attention has caught on by other fan organizations, clubs and most important by the media. Here is the English link:
http://www.kein-zwanni.de/en/index.html

Football must be payable!

Best wishes from Germany,
Thomas

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At least the German fans do something about it- we just take it like a bitch until the prices hit around £50, then a few people complain, whine on message boards and plan a half-arsed "boycott" which doesnt take place. English fan groups are so shite/ disorganised, its embarrassing

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Re: Kein Zwanni calls out for Hamburg boycott

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Tomáš wrote:Dear All,
The basic fan scene will boycott BVB Sunday game in Hamburg due to the high ticket prices. The supporters will travel to Hamburg but they will not go inside the stadium. They will stay outside in front of the stadium and listen to the radio broadcast. The campaign: 'Kein Zwanni - Football must be payable'
Which means: No twenty Euros (because this is normally the border for standing tickets) - Football must be payable, is targeting the entire ticket prices in the German league. We think that the prices are already too high for every people to effort going to the game. We know that the prices in England are way much higher, but we don't want to fall into the same pitfall. In Germany the attention has caught on by other fan organizations, clubs and most important by the media. Here is the English link:
http://www.kein-zwanni.de/en/index.html

Football must be payable!

Best wishes from Germany,
Thomas
good stuff, thomas. :barscarf:

hey mods, this is not directly arsenal related but it's good discussion, maybe it should be in arsenal chat?

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I agree with El Dwarfo. :wink:

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Well played. As safcftm has said, we're too spineless in this country to pull of anything like this.

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Moved.

And I agree - fair play to the Germans. 8)

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Dan_85 wrote:Well played. As safcftm has said, we're too spineless in this country to pull of anything like this.
Yes a few half hearted chants of "6% you're having a laugh", watch your best players get sold before giving all your money to the club all over again, with a few tuts and a shaking of the head

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SteveO 35 wrote:
Dan_85 wrote:Well played. As safcftm has said, we're too spineless in this country to pull of anything like this.
Yes a few half hearted chants of "6% you're having a laugh", watch your best players get sold before giving all your money to the club all over again, with a few tuts and a shaking of the head
I believe it's The British Way though isn't it? :wink:

And I'm not taking the piss here. We Paddy's are worse if anything. Our "government" have fucked us over big time, raised VAT and cut pay, downgraded our health services and allowed the bankers, developers and builders to ruin our economy - and we had... erm... well, a little bit of a protest march that attracted about 200 people and a bit of a moan and that was about it really. :roll: :evil:

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DB10GOONER wrote:
SteveO 35 wrote:
Dan_85 wrote:Well played. As safcftm has said, we're too spineless in this country to pull of anything like this.
Yes a few half hearted chants of "6% you're having a laugh", watch your best players get sold before giving all your money to the club all over again, with a few tuts and a shaking of the head
I believe it's The British Way though isn't it? :wink:

And I'm not taking the piss here. We Paddy's are worse if anything. Our "government" have fucked us over big time, raised VAT and cut pay, downgraded our health services and allowed the bankers, developers and builders to ruin our economy - and we had... erm... well, a little bit of a protest march that attracted about 200 people and a bit of a moan and that was about it really. :roll: :evil:
I think the main problem has been Hillsborough and hooliganism tbh. In Germany, fans can stand up for their beliefs regarding tickets or standing at matches, its a bit different here. Firstly the press aren't exactly sympathetic- anytime there is the slightest bit of confrontation with police (even non violent) the press immediately jump onto the side of the police and brand all the fans thugs- sometimes its true, sometimes it isnt. This makes it hard for fans groups and movements to raise public awareness, the press are too concerned with appealing to their readers and dont want to be seen to be "supporting hooliganism". This tag will be incredibly hard to lose in England.

Hillsborough and hooliganism have also made it incredibly easy for governments to bring in laws regarding football (no drinking at your seat even though you can for rugby/ cricket and the likes, no standing even though the very same grounds allow standing for concerts etc)- again, the "general public" will rarely, if ever, bother to consider whether it is "fair" on fans, a lot of them are of the opinion that if you're a football fan you're a yob and therefore deserve to have certain restrictions imposed. I remember when a group of (I think it was) Swansea fans were kept in a pub when police misused a power and sent them back to Swansea in bad conditions making them miss a game, the FSF reported it, I think the police eventually got done for it, but it hardly made it into any papers- if it was a group of protesters it wouldnt have been out of the news.

Getting safe standing is a battle (and even safe standing will be an incredibly watered down version of the old style terraces)- how many MPs will support it when there are Hillsborough pressure groups and the likes kicking up a fuss, they simply dont care enough to get involved as football fans arent likely to be a massive vote winner for them.

All of this makes it difficult for fans in England to organise anything. Even discounting that, a lot of the fans who would protest/ organise flag displays etc have stopped going thanks to the sanitisation of football in this country of recent years, we're now left with people who a) can afford the tickets and b) dont want to protest. I can afford to go to games but would happily join a protest if it was properly organised, theres a few on here who are similar- all clubs must have some people who want a change for the good of the game but theres simply not enough of us attending matches nowadays. The real fans have largely been replaced and as a result we'll never get groups as well organised as those in germany, we had our chance and did fuck all, the Germans dont have the combination of disasters and the rife hooliganism in their past and so they will find it a bit easier to organise the kind of protests that are required

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safcftm wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:
SteveO 35 wrote:
Dan_85 wrote:Well played. As safcftm has said, we're too spineless in this country to pull of anything like this.
Yes a few half hearted chants of "6% you're having a laugh", watch your best players get sold before giving all your money to the club all over again, with a few tuts and a shaking of the head
I believe it's The British Way though isn't it? :wink:

And I'm not taking the piss here. We Paddy's are worse if anything. Our "government" have fucked us over big time, raised VAT and cut pay, downgraded our health services and allowed the bankers, developers and builders to ruin our economy - and we had... erm... well, a little bit of a protest march that attracted about 200 people and a bit of a moan and that was about it really. :roll: :evil:
I think the main problem has been Hillsborough and hooliganism tbh. In Germany, fans can stand up for their beliefs regarding tickets or standing at matches, its a bit different here. Firstly the press aren't exactly sympathetic- anytime there is the slightest bit of confrontation with police (even non violent) the press immediately jump onto the side of the police and brand all the fans thugs- sometimes its true, sometimes it isnt. This makes it hard for fans groups and movements to raise public awareness, the press are too concerned with appealing to their readers and dont want to be seen to be "supporting hooliganism". This tag will be incredibly hard to lose in England.

Hillsborough and hooliganism have also made it incredibly easy for governments to bring in laws regarding football (no drinking at your seat even though you can for rugby/ cricket and the likes, no standing even though the very same grounds allow standing for concerts etc)- again, the "general public" will rarely, if ever, bother to consider whether it is "fair" on fans, a lot of them are of the opinion that if you're a football fan you're a yob and therefore deserve to have certain restrictions imposed. I remember when a group of (I think it was) Swansea fans were kept in a pub when police misused a power and sent them back to Swansea in bad conditions making them miss a game, the FSF reported it, I think the police eventually got done for it, but it hardly made it into any papers- if it was a group of protesters it wouldnt have been out of the news.

Getting safe standing is a battle (and even safe standing will be an incredibly watered down version of the old style terraces)- how many MPs will support it when there are Hillsborough pressure groups and the likes kicking up a fuss, they simply dont care enough to get involved as football fans arent likely to be a massive vote winner for them.

All of this makes it difficult for fans in England to organise anything. Even discounting that, a lot of the fans who would protest/ organise flag displays etc have stopped going thanks to the sanitisation of football in this country of recent years, we're now left with people who a) can afford the tickets and b) dont want to protest. I can afford to go to games but would happily join a protest if it was properly organised, theres a few on here who are similar- all clubs must have some people who want a change for the good of the game but theres simply not enough of us attending matches nowadays. The real fans have largely been replaced and as a result we'll never get groups as well organised as those in germany, we had our chance and did fuck all, the Germans dont have the combination of disasters and the rife hooliganism in their past and so they will find it a bit easier to organise the kind of protests that are required
Excellent post, mate. 8)

But you could have just said "it's the Scouser's fault". :lol: :wink:

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DB10GOONER wrote:Excellent post, mate. 8)

But you could have just said "it's the Scouser's fault". :lol: :wink:
:lol: right enough, but I'm at work and that would have taken 5 seconds, meaning I'd quickly be faced with the horrible prospect of going back to doing a profit and loss report and, you know, actually working- this must be avoided at all costs and writing a long reply on the gooner forum is a great way of putting it off for a while :wink:

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safcftm wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:Excellent post, mate. 8)

But you could have just said "it's the Scouser's fault". :lol: :wink:
:lol: right enough, but I'm at work and that would have taken 5 seconds, meaning I'd quickly be faced with the horrible prospect of going back to doing a profit and loss report and, you know, actually working- this must be avoided at all costs and writing a long reply on the gooner forum is a great way of putting it off for a while :wink:
:lol:

Fantastic. 8)

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safcftm wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:Excellent post, mate. 8)

But you could have just said "it's the Scouser's fault". :lol: :wink:
:lol: right enough, but I'm at work and that would have taken 5 seconds, meaning I'd quickly be faced with the horrible prospect of going back to doing a profit and loss report and, you know, actually working- this must be avoided at all costs and writing a long reply on the gooner forum is a great way of putting it off for a while :wink:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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DB10GOONER wrote:Moved.
THANKS! I'll keep you updated on the progress of the campaign.
Here is an update from the SG side:
http://www.schwatzgelb.de/2012_01_16_ed ... eeded.html

Football needs to be affordable!

Cheers,
Thomas

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Post by SpanishJoe »

Our Maccam friend may be right in his analysis, but we should remember that our German friends have never been shy at initiating a bit of aggro!

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