I have no idea if this is allowed..

[AFCBOB91]

Hey,
Long time stalker of the forum, first time poster.
I'd just like to say I'm 20, owned a season ticket since the emis****s opened and have arsenal tattooed on my forearm
Favorite player of all time is dennis bergkamp closley followed by Robert Pires who once apologised for not seeing me in an autograph signing and posted a signed copy to my house.
Anyway, yesterday as always I read through the match threads to see how you all react and one comment in particular confused me. Fans around whoever this contributor is (don't mean to make enemies I genuinelly can't remember) said that they were jumping for joy as we got the penalty in the dying seconds and it annoyed him? Or something I did read yesterday but haven't been able to post until now and I'm just wondering why anyone would be peeved by that? I mean I hate wenger and the board and the current trash they provide us with week in week out but 3 points makes me more happy than anything weather its sloppy or not.
Apologies if this is a pointless topic or should be moved I'll brush up on the rules for next time.

[SteveO 35]

Welcome aboard mate.

I agree with what you say. I can't stand Wenger and I don't have much affinity with many of the players either. I detest the way the Americans are owning and running the club and want Kroenke, Gazidis, Hill Wood and Wenger gone tomorrow

However, I can never and will never bring myself to cheer against Arsenal in a match and I don't understand those that do. FFS - someone was posting pictures of Berbatov on the Fulham thread when he was scoring against us yesterday. I don't get that at all

I was still cheering when we got awarded the penalty and winning 4-3 would have still made me happy.

If you can't cheer for your own team anymore than we really might as well all give up

[AFCBOB91]

Thanks mate
And yeah its just strange fair enough we all hate the backroom scenes and the manager but we should always stick behind the 11 that's on the field. I think it would of been the phrase thrown around a lot these days 'paper over the cracks' but let's face it weather we get CL football or not next year wenger will be here until he's ready to go.

[SteveO 35]

Thanks mate
And yeah its just strange fair enough we all hate the backroom scenes and the manager but we should always stick behind the 11 that's on the field. I think it would of been the phrase thrown around a lot these days 'paper over the cracks' but let's face it weather we get CL football or not next year wenger will be here until he's ready to go.

Agreed. Read some of the stuff on the Spuds game thread. People are trying to persuade themselves that a defeat in that game will be some sort of catalyst for change?

If a bloke can ride out the storm of losing 8-2 and seeing us 17th in the table then a defeat to Spurs which could still see us 8th in the table is hardly going to matter.

Anyway, it only the Summer months plus January that matter to the board in terms of Wenger's performance. That's when his main objective of making huge transfer profits come into play - the football bit between mid-August and mid-May is just an irritating period that gets in the way of developing property and selling players

[AFCBOB91]

If it was set in stone that he would leave if we lost saturday I'd still be on the fence about it. I still to this day haven't got over seeing that twat run on the pitch when we drew 4-4 and the 2-3 I've tried to erase from my memory but there results that haunt me even today.
Oh I fully agree mate walcott will leave and we will either replace with someone the caliber of soloman kalou and be told that clubs don't want to sell there best players in january. We will plummet into mid table crisis and if that happens its really hard to know what will happen weather we will actually go out and buy big or just be fed bullshit that we are the arsenal and we'll always be a big club.

[REB]

its not so simple , none of us ever want the arsenal to lose as believe it or we are all gooners but its the bigger picture that you have to look at, wenger seems to have lost the plot the last few seasons with this season been the worse and sometimes its a defeat or worse to get things done, like spending our money on proper players that will help us progress and not buying cheap imports as to keep the profit margin in the red.

[potter]

We were discussing this on the way home yesterday and concluded that Sagna and Walcott are next years book balancers. As the books are always a year behind , RVP and Song will do for this years.

[Topside Northbank]

For me the fact that even if we get in the top four we still constantly let our better players leave & replace them with cheaper options.Vicous circle & no one at the club seems to give a toss.
I think most of us realised that the stadium move would set us back a few years all the talk at the time of ringfenced money for team building was BS.Not now fans have had enough paying top prices & the club still plead some sort of poverty or other when the money is there to invest in the kind of players we need.
People my age have seen it all before however at the end of Neill Howe etc there was a natural end this is slow & painfull seeing a manager who won't or can't change questioned by nobody.It has been a slowly lowering of expectations season after season and people have become numb to it all.

[AFCBOB91]

The fact this has been happening for so long and nothing has been done about it is criminal. Reading through the other posts on here my thoughts would have already been expressed by other users but the thing that gets me is how each week we are treated like idiots in the post match conferences with wenger saying that this team is good enough to win trophies when it seems everyone, sky pundits, the fans hell even down to the training staff can see this crop of players are woeful. I took the excuse of we had a debt to pay off for the stadium for the first 3 or 4 years but now it's becoming really distasteful and a massive spit in the face of the true supporters who hold the club so dearly to their hearts.

[Topside Northbank]

The fact this has been happening for so long and nothing has been done about it is criminal. Reading through the other posts on here my thoughts would have already been expressed by other users but the thing that gets me is how each week we are treated like idiots in the post match conferences with wenger saying that this team is good enough to win trophies when it seems everyone, sky pundits, the fans hell even down to the training staff can see this crop of players are woeful. I took the excuse of we had a debt to pay off for the stadium for the first 3 or 4 years but now it's becoming really distasteful and a massive spit in the face of the true supporters who hold the club so dearly to their hearts.

So true we have done just enough to get by minimum investment you can only get away with it for so long.No point moaning about what other clubs spend when we won't use what we have.

The tactics or lack of have been an issue for lots of us for a long time defensive set up etc.etc.

Even the managers supporters can't be blind to look at the style of our play slow to move the ball pass,pass,pass move breaks down we havn't got the class of player to pen teams back & hurt them like we used to frustrating isn't the start of it.

[AFCBOB91]

Exactly, the worst part of it all is as well we are playing the cesc fabregas formation with no cesc fabregas as good as santi is/can be he isnt cesc. The defensive side is horrible the zonal marking clearly isn't working when I was a young boy playing age 8 the first thing my manager told me is from set pieces MAN MARK!

[OneBardGooner]

No Gooner in their right mind EVER, EVER wants The Arsenal to lose, but sometimes a situation has to deteriorate beyond all reason before (hopefully) something can be rescued and the template for a progressive and better future can begin, so I understand why some might say we may as well lose as this will force the necessary changes needed to be made sooner rather than later and in most cases that might be a possible scenario,. But, wenker is going nowhere - regardless of how bad it gets, because he has a board that think he is the best because he makes them a profit year in year out come trophies or not....he keeps the profile of the club higfh, even though we have become a laughing stock in the prem itself - just one of the things that hurts like a M F*cker.

If - IF I though us losing - even to the scum up the road - would quicken his departure then i I would be willing to endure that kind of hurt, because this (as someone rightly said) Death By A 1,000 Cuts really is Agony, and the way things are I end up hurting more or less every weekend...we may win sometimes , Yes, but we are playing such shit football it beyond embarrassing - I know what I feel like when I watch the likes of Djourou, Flappy, Ramsey et al - play like they couldn't care - and so insult the Red & White of Arsenal - and that seems set to continue under this present regime of Wenker, Gadzidis and PH-***** and the rest of the board. In the end we each have to choose the lesser of the Two Evils...either way it hurts and Will Continue to hurt for some time yet, so buckle in and get the banners out!

I do not wish Wenker ill or harm...he has brought me some of my Happiest - Nay Delirious Times as a Gooner, but I just want him to leave, so the re-building (proper) can begin.

[AFCBOB91]

Exactly the thing I fear most is becoming what Leeds have become don't get me wrong I will always support the Arsenal but having them twats up the road rub it in our face will sting like hell. In my opinion I think Wenger has just become deluded and stuck in his ways about how a football club should be run and were the ones who are suffering. I was praying in the summer break that I would wake up to the headline 'Wenger new PSG boss' but then as the days dwindled down I knew what was going to happen.

I suppose so yes, the way we have been playing this season at times is diabolical at least before the 8 - 2 last year we actually went up to Manure and at least tried to win the game this year it seemed like we were scrapping for a point or a easy defeat, I would of rather us gone up there and got trounced 4 or 5 nil and at least had a go instead of sitting back and defending a 1 - 0 deficit.

[Old Rosie]

Bloody newbies!

[glenngould]

If you went back four years and said that we could get Wenger out and have won something by now, you would take it. Fast forward a few years and clearly nothing will be better than now. How could it? Mikel Arteta is our captain, for God's sake. The fact that people think he's one of our better players says a lot. If we had Phil Neville from a few years back he'd have been applauded off as one of our best players recently. What does that tell you? That we've fallen a long way from grace. So yes, I cheered all of Fulham's goals. Having a tattoo on your arm has no bearing at all. I was a mascot when I was 6, attended Wrexham away, blah blah. So what? We all want Arsenal to win. But the only way things can change is if Arsenal stop limping along with last minute reprieve's against Fulham.
I am desperately hoping Spurs beat us and will not subscribe to the myopic vision that beating Spurs is all that matters. Lose to Spurs, boo the players off, protest, revolt, resign, let's start again.